Author Topic: Oh what the heck (Read 5861 times)

Matt Colan · « **on:** November 03, 2010, 07:51:19 PM »

I've been trying to resist posting pics of my Trivial Pursuit until it was in one piece, but I just decided I would share them with you all. All the pictures are in chronological order with the first picture being the first part of construction and so on.

So far the wing weighs 12.6 ounces, and the stab and elevators, minus controls and any sort of sanding weigh 1.6 ounces (note I'm keeping track of weight this time

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Matt Colan · « **Reply #1 on:** November 03, 2010, 07:53:39 PM »

next few pics, with the last two taken from my phone, so it may not be as detailed as it usually is.

The picture with the motor is the "stuff" i intend to use on the first flight: 14-5 Rev Up, RO-Jett 76 with a bent pipe.

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #2 on:** November 03, 2010, 08:45:58 PM »

Quote from: Matt Colan on November 03, 2010, 07:51:19 PM

(note I'm keeping track of weight this time)

There's something magic about weighing every part -- it never seems to change what I do when I do it, yet the plane still ends up lighter in the end.

Randy Ryan · « **Reply #3 on:** November 03, 2010, 08:56:56 PM »

Lookin' mighty good there Matt!

George · « **Reply #4 on:** November 04, 2010, 09:46:30 AM »

Matt,

That's a nice wing blocking system you use.

Looking good!

George

louie klein · « **Reply #5 on:** November 04, 2010, 10:45:45 AM »

Oh what a heck of a job you are doing there fella! Outstanding

--LOUIE

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2010, 11:19:58 AM »

Matt
Come teach me how to build that neatly!
After I am that far along with a project finding tools, parts, bench or floor is near impossible.

Nice looking wing there!

Randy Powell · « **Reply #7 on:** November 04, 2010, 11:22:26 AM »

Looks good, Matt. Good luck with it.

Wynn Robins · « **Reply #8 on:** November 04, 2010, 12:59:24 PM »

keep posting the pics here and on facebook - will be interesting to see it in one piece (and beyond)

Matt Colan · « **Reply #9 on:** November 04, 2010, 01:48:14 PM »

Quote from: Wynn Robins on November 04, 2010, 12:59:24 PM

keep posting the pics here and on facebook - will be interesting to see it in one piece (and beyond)

That is what I intend to do. I post them on facebook so that my friends can see just how one of these planes go together, and will then see that these are not toys we're playing around with here. I am excited to see just how this plane will look once it's finished, and how well it should fly.

steve pagano · « **Reply #10 on:** November 28, 2010, 06:45:36 PM »

Hey Matt

she's lookin good ! ! Been so busy I havent worked on my TP in about a year.

Joe Yau · « **Reply #11 on:** November 29, 2010, 11:11:52 AM »

Looks good Matt! Thanks for posting the pics.. keep them coming.

I'll be building one soon too.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #12 on:** November 29, 2010, 01:40:58 PM »

Thanks guys! The wing is ready for it's first coats of clear before silkspan, and the flaps have their first coat on. Also the stab and elevators are covered in silkspan. Basically the only construction left is the rudder and the fuselage, then it's on to finishing!

Matt Colan · « **Reply #13 on:** November 29, 2010, 02:34:23 PM »

Here's what I'm planning to paint the fuselage to the Trivial Pursuit, and I'm still experimenting with wing designs

john e. holliday · « **Reply #14 on:** November 30, 2010, 04:17:50 PM »

Matt, you are further along than I am. Also it looks a lot neater too. I just put another coat of dope on the stab/elevator and wing/flaps of the King Sweep. Also got another coat on the wing of the British Peacemakere. I think I am ready for the polyspan. Need to get top block for the King Sweep. Now keep us posted on the TP.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #15 on:** November 30, 2010, 05:21:48 PM »

matt,

OOOHhhhhh. Evil, wicked, mean and nasty. I Like It!

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #16 on:** November 30, 2010, 06:49:09 PM »

Matt lookin good, keep on it, looking forward to seeing what you come up with for the wings

Bill Little · « **Reply #17 on:** December 01, 2010, 04:15:15 PM »

Great job, so far, Matt! That one should serve you well. I remember giving Ted a launch during practice in 1996 at the NATS and the plane was a great flier (the pilot probably had something to do with it also! LOL!! ).

Big Bear

Matt Colan · « **Reply #18 on:** December 12, 2010, 02:35:53 PM »

Here is what I'm planning to paint the Trivial Pursuit in. Obviously there will be a lot more detail on the plane once it's done

Hope you guys like it!

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #19 on:** December 12, 2010, 08:00:48 PM »

Gday Matt - Looking good..

As a graphic designer, may I offer some design advice to improve on what you have already done?

I like the style and the colours you have selected. - Im on my laptop at the moment and I dont have photoshop so I cant give you a mocked up version. I can tell you what I think would work nicely. On the Fin, you have a nice curved area sort of tidalwave style, but no-where else on the model have you incorporated any curved edges.

To make it look like its all " matched series " or to promote continuity I would round just a couple of the lines that break up the wing red and white. I have quickly edited your photo to give you a point of view to consider.

Remember conitunity is the key here, like you do with the elevator, you should try to make it all look like it was touted with the same brush. Looking good tho!

Also this design modification works well with your choice of text. Curved and flowing - but I wouldnt go and curve EVERYTHING, just parts as I suggested. Look at the photo you will see what I mean.

Im not saying yours was wrong or looked bad, In my job you can see little things like that, that can help to make a design "work"

Brett Buck · « **Reply #20 on:** December 12, 2010, 08:09:22 PM »

Quote from: Bill Little on December 01, 2010, 04:15:15 PM

Great job, so far, Matt! That one should serve you well. I remember giving Ted a launch during practice in 1996 at the NATS

Ted's usual flunkies must have let him down badly that day...

Brett

Bill Little · « **Reply #21 on:** December 12, 2010, 09:28:03 PM »

Quote from: Brett Buck on December 12, 2010, 08:09:22 PM

Ted's usual flunkies must have let him down badly that day...

Brett

I think everyone was busy flyin' or something. And I'm as good a "flunky" as anyone on the planet, just ask Bob or Billy. I'm good for carrying boxes and stuff.

Anyway, I was there and Ted asked, or maybe I volunteered, (whichever) is was a good experience for me to hold the plane, etc.. Just doing that gives a feeling of others airplanes which is good. BTW: the ,018 lines were on a yellow reel.

Bill

Matt Colan · « **Reply #22 on:** December 13, 2010, 02:02:44 PM »

Quote from: PJ Rowland on December 12, 2010, 08:00:48 PM

Gday Matt - Looking good..

As a graphic designer, may I offer some design advice to improve on what you have already done?

I like the style and the colours you have selected. - Im on my laptop at the moment and I dont have photoshop so I cant give you a mocked up version. I can tell you what I think would work nicely. On the Fin, you have a nice curved area sort of tidalwave style, but no-where else on the model have you incorporated any curved edges.

To make it look like its all " matched series " or to promote continuity I would round just a couple of the lines that break up the wing red and white. I have quickly edited your photo to give you a point of view to consider.

Remember conitunity is the key here, like you do with the elevator, you should try to make it all look like it was touted with the same brush. Looking good tho!

Also this design modification works well with your choice of text. Curved and flowing - but I wouldnt go and curve EVERYTHING, just parts as I suggested. Look at the photo you will see what I mean.

Im not saying yours was wrong or looked bad, In my job you can see little things like that, that can help to make a design "work"

It's amazing how just a little modification like what you did made the scheme just POP and add some more depth to the scheme!!! I like that so much better, and you are right, it just helps everything else fit right in. I've thought about adding some sort of a black accent somewhere in the scheme, but haven't really thought where I could or would. Also thanks to Randy Powell and reading about his low rider and his plan to put some sort of pinstriping, pearl, lace or something in the paint job, it gave me the idea to look up on the internet for decals of pinstripes, and add one on the side of the fuselage in front of the wing and on the silver stripe.

Just keep doodling, and everything seems to get better and better, or take some advice and see how much cooler the scheme looks with a subtle change

Bill Little · « **Reply #23 on:** December 13, 2010, 02:45:04 PM »

A possible modification that I see and would blend the side view a bit better is to give a "slight" curve to the forward edge of the red sections at the nose. Right where they turn down to go back along the fuselage sides. Not a big curve, but a rounded corner. That would tie into the red flash on the vertical fin (which is curved).

Brett Buck · « **Reply #24 on:** December 13, 2010, 04:27:22 PM »

Quote from: Matt Colan on December 13, 2010, 02:02:44 PM

Just keep doodling, and everything seems to get better and better, or take some advice and see how much cooler the scheme looks with a subtle change

I am probably the last guy to give asthetic advice, but I would probably move the name and AMA number further out, and make the centers symmetrical. They look squeezed together in the middle to me.

Brett

Matt Colan · « **Reply #25 on:** December 13, 2010, 04:35:14 PM »

Quote from: Brett Buck on December 13, 2010, 04:27:22 PM

I am probably the last guy to give asthetic advice, but I would probably move the name and AMA number further out, and make the centers symmetrical. They look squeezed together in the middle to me.

Brett

That was the plan to move the numbers and letters further out onto the center of the wing. I sent my sketch to Sina Gourdazi, and he then sent me the much cleaner looking version back with some lettering samples on multiple pages. I liked that lettering best, so he put that on.

Oh, I looked on my computer for the font that the lettering is in, and I can't find the name of it. Does anybody have an idea?

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #26 on:** December 13, 2010, 04:58:47 PM »

Matt, just keep in mind, when trying to get " cursive" lettering decals printed thin lines can be difficult to place down properly.

I completly agree with brett ( to be honest I wasnt even looking at the text at that time ) id centralise it.

One thing ive always struggled with was symmerty of plane name and Registration number. One thing you can do ( which is my preffered option ) to have the name on both wings, and reg number underneath.

I also would take the front part and round it to a point sloaping backward.from front to back.

The font looks like English or Edwardian Script- actually just looking its not EXACTLY either of those, but close. - Im not goign to go through my 1000 font book !

Looks good tho

Bill Little · « **Reply #27 on:** December 13, 2010, 05:00:58 PM »

I think I have seen that font in coreldraw........

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #28 on:** December 13, 2010, 06:09:02 PM »

Matt,
I would have made the suggestions as PJ. I would also add curve to the upper forward red nose trim as Bill suggested. The Scheme is great.

The fonts are up to you. Using a vinyl mask instead of vinyl stick on letters lets you match the colors that you use on the rest of your airplane.

All of my airplanes for the last 17 years have used vinyl spray masks for the lettering.

I now have a vinyl cutter and can provide everyone with masks or stick-ons for any true type font. I can also provide special designs. The attached shows the "flying fist" and custom lettering on the "Sea Vixen" that I am finally refinishing after the disaster of splitting silkspan.

I haven't mentioned anything on the rebuild, since I have become superstitious and did not want to mention much on the snake bit project.

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #29 on:** December 14, 2010, 02:13:17 AM »

Ok Matt, I think this is what we are all talking about in regards to the front.

I really would love to do full 3d render for you but work is flat out and I dont want to do more graphics at home after work, so this concept will HAVE to do !

If it were mind, id throw a few pinstrips in silver or a dark navy blue to accept your canopy, but beware of overdoing it, sometimes subtle is good. Look at a ferrari, and to that extent winds testrarossa thing - clean lines, let the workmanship and paint shine through. Even if your initials arent PTG

I think its looking good, I just modified the rear section also, to make it a little more even for the judges to look at. ( fuse rear )

don Burke · « **Reply #30 on:** December 14, 2010, 08:34:34 AM »

Quote from: PJ Rowland on December 13, 2010, 04:58:47 PM

One thing ive always struggled with was symmerty of plane name and Registration number. One thing you can do ( which is my preffered option ) to have the name on both wings, and reg number underneath.

Just a short note from an old crotchety sort, putting the AMA no. on the bottom is contrary to the rules, esthetics or not! I know it's popular to not put AMA nos. on airplanes anymore, hurts the resale value!

Bill Little · « **Reply #31 on:** December 14, 2010, 08:46:38 AM »

Quote from: don Burke on December 14, 2010, 08:34:34 AM

Just a short note from an old crotchety sort, putting the AMA no. on the bottom is contrary to the rules, esthetics or not! I know it's popular to not put AMA nos. on airplanes anymore, hurts the resale value!

Hi Don,

I believe the reference is to putting the name and AMA number, both, on the upper right wing in a stacked configuration. By doing it on both wings that way it is symmetrical, and should not be a rules violation.

AFAIK, there are no restrictions on placing your number on the bottom of the wing as long as it is displayed properly on the top wing.

I have seen the AMA number placed on the left wing, only, and that is definitely a violation as far as I read the rules.

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #32 on:** December 14, 2010, 04:10:25 PM »

Don,
All of Matt's renderings have the AMA number on the top right hand wing. This meets the AMA requirements. The number can also be on the side of the fuselage. There is absolutly nothing wrong with having the AMA number on the bottom of the wings PROVIDED one of the above AMA required locations is observed.

As to not putting the AMA number on an airplane being "popular", I haven't seen this. An airplane without the AMA number might be an airplane flown by someone without AMA coverage. If an AMA member is flying an airplane without the AMA number, he might be risking problems if a "Philadelphia Lawyer" is involved with an accident case, since the regulations are not adhered to.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #33 on:** December 15, 2010, 08:39:40 AM »

Where in the rules does it say the AMA number can't be on the bottom of the wing. I have seen it done and done it myself making the bottom look like the top. Even with the number on the rudder.

Brett Buck · « **Reply #34 on:** December 15, 2010, 09:35:11 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on December 15, 2010, 08:39:40 AM

Where in the rules does it say the AMA number can't be on the bottom of the wing. I have seen it done and done it myself making the bottom look like the top. Even with the number on the rudder.

   I have my number top and bottom. It does have to be on the upper right wing or the fuselage/fin, I believe.

  I think I know at least one guy who knows what typeface was used on the original. He may also know where to get teeny newspapers to put in the cockpit, with Dolly Parton on the cover.

   Brett

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #35 on:** December 15, 2010, 09:46:52 PM »

For sure, Ted is guilty. I first saw a reduced Playboy cover in one of Gialdini's planes. It is easy to do now. Scan it and reduce it to size, and voila!