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Offline Hoss Cain

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New Horizons ????
« on: September 19, 2012, 11:03:03 PM »
There was a thread here that the originator said he would pull. I cannot find it so I guess he did. I had posted there and spoke of the CL fraternity very possibly entering into a form of CL Competition Fun Fly. There is such a set of rules in the RC Rules that defines just that for RC. I am acquainted with such because I CD one in Feb. each year, with the name stolen from a Chicagoland CL club's event. I call it the "Frozen Fickle Finger of Fate RC Fun Fly. Please don't tell those folks that I liberated their event's name. :##
Now here is a tad of information: The FUN-FLY is just that, a fun item. It may or may not be competitive, however, IMO, if it is not competitive, it falls into the FLY-IN category.
Now the RC gang has made a Rule-Book event, Event #705, and it has all kinds of events and tasks, many of which cannot be performed by tethered aircraft, yet many can be even without any throttle control. The RC rules allow and encourage for CDs to make new events/tasks, change published events/tasks, etc.
It can be found at http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/2011-2012SpecialEvents.pdf

Now here are a few points of the many items there. I can just see a group of CL fellows getting together and start a CL Fun Fly with a number of tasks to perform and it being just that, a Competition Fun Fly. While the people that wrote the rules for RC get a little to much - IMO - rule-makers, they also go the other way in encouraging CDs to come up with new tasks.

IMO, such an event held by CL Clubs could promote a "Whole 'Nother Interest" in CL flying.  This type of competition is rather like racing, where the winner is the flier out front, and not someone's idea of what was good and/or bad.

Here are some of the massive rules in the Rule Book. Actually I like the "the CD can, the CD can..."

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RADIO CONTROLCOMPETITION FUN FLY For event 705 1. Objective: The purpose of these rules is to standardize tasks and rules for radio controlled competition fun fly contests. Tasks will be timed or mission tasks with subjectivity by judges kept to a minimum.

2. General: These rules provide flight tasks suitable for unlimited time events as well as traditional mission-oriented, fun-fly tasks. They provide a variety of tasks from which a Contest Director can choose to define a challenging contest tailored for a given location, expected weather conditions and expected skill level of attendees.

The builder-of-the-model rule will not apply.

4. Task Categories: There are two categories or styles of fun-fly tasks from which to choose. These categories set the tone of the the categories.
4.1: Unlimited: No limit is placed on design or equipment as long as it complies with AMA safety code. All tasks are selected from the timed tasks.

Fun Fly: The fun-fly tasks are typically selected from mission tasks, but may also include timed tasks.
5. Event Classes: There are two classes of difficulty in each category. A pilot may only fly in one class of each category at a contest.
5.1: Masters Class: Top level of competition in the category
5.2: Sportsman Class: Entry level competition in the category.

6. Flight Line Procedures:
8. Event Tasks: Maneuvers in brackets ( ) in the task descriptions indicate repetitions of that part of the task that must be completed before beginning the next part of the task. The number indicated in brackets is the typical number of repetitions flown. For example, Roops (5) would be flown as “Take off, roll, loop, roll, loop, roll, loop, roll, loop, roll, loop, and land.”

8.1: There will be a minimum of four (4) different tasks per contest.
8.2: Tasks may be announced prior to the contest or drawn at the contest. It is encouraged that a contest format has a variety of tasks. If the tasks are drawn at the contest, similar tasks (such as all looping tasks) should be placed together and drawn from once so that one type of task does not dominate the contest.

The CD may develop new tasks based on variations or combinations of the tasks below or using entirely new ideas for tasks. Unlimited tasks should be timed events, whereas Fun-Fly tasks are typically mission-oriented. Participant, official, and spectator safety should be considered when developing new tasks.
8.3: Timed Tasks:
8.3.1: Loop Tasks
8.3.2: Roll-Loop-Spin Task
C. Roll Limbo (5) Take off away from ribbon, (roll, pass under ribbon x5) touch down.
D. Inverted Limbo (5) Take off away from ribbon, (pass under ribbon inverted x5), touch down.

8.4: Mission Tasks: The CD may select target areas and scores for the following tasks as needed to reflect local skill levels. passes to touch only the can onto target.
8.4.9: Progressive Limbo. A25' limbo ribbon is set at 6', 4', 2' for the pilot to pass under. The lower the ribbon the higher the score. Three (3) attempts per flight.
8.4.10: Mission. Bomb Drop, Can-Can, or Balloon Burst and Sport Landing (8.4.6. and 8.4.8. or 8.4.7. and 8.4.4. rules) are combines. SE-10
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You need to check those RC rules out to get some ideas just what a fun day could be had with some innovative thinking.
In addition, it would be easily accomplished by "FLYING WHUT YA BRUNG!" Even possibly 3 classes such as .010-.15,
.16 to .30, .31 to .60.  Or Whatever would be OK at the time and place.

I'm thinking there are a lot of new ways to promote CL flying.  y1
Horrace Cain
AMA L-93 CD and Leader
New Caney, TX  (NE Houston area)

Offline john e. holliday

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Re: New Horizons ????
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2012, 10:21:31 AM »
To me a fun fly is just that,  bring planes and fly when/if you want to.   Early days in my youth it seemed that way at the City Park Circle.  Could also get help if needed.   Of course back then if you cut a finger no worry about AMA insurance,  wrap wound up real good and keep flying.  Raw fuel makes a great antiseptic and the cut seemed to heal faster.   Also we had more people showing up every week.  But then competition was mentioned and started.  People disappeared, except the few that wanted to compete.  If only I lived closer to Topeka or Springfield.
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Re: New Horizons ????
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2012, 11:54:46 PM »
 Z@@ZZZ

Our tasks are pre-determined by the rulebook, so we know WTF is going on when we fly for fun, regardless of weather and site influences. We're having a club Fun Fly Saturday. I plan to try a new prop or two, and get a bit of coaching and have some sodas and sammiches. No BOM, either.  ???
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In 1944 18-20 year old's stormed beaches, and parachuted behind enemy lines to almost certain death.  In 2015 18-20 year old's need safe zones so people don't hurt their feelings.

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Re: New Horizons ????
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2012, 06:27:24 PM »
Z@@ZZZ

Our tasks are predetermined by the rulebook, so we know WTF is going on when we fly for fun, regardless of weather and site influences. We're having a club Fun Fly Saturday. I plan to try a new prop or two, and get a bit of coaching and have some sodas and sammiches. No BOM, either.  ???

Do you  think your CL fellows are not equal to a task of dreaming up their own rules for having a mild Fun Fly competition and  a kind of Fun Day? I so think so, however in all those days I flew CL, it seemed that a number of fellows were well epoxied to the "Rule Book". But there were also CL Fun Fly events.
 
I loved CL STUNT, still do. However there is a limit to walking the straight line all the time, or there is for me!  y1

When I went to RC, started in Pattern, but found the same old "white sneakers, white pants and shirt" crowd there. When I started flying pylon I had fun. I never wanted to win the event, just get FAST TIME. I only did so ONCE in a number of years flying. 70% Nitro and lean blows a lot of glow plugs, which was planned to happen during the last leg of the 10th lap.
 
I remember when the CL Speed guys kept their fuel packed in ice. Do they Now?  I also remember tetra-nitro-methane. WOW!
Not bad that they banned that stuff. I don't support much in "bans" but that one I did.

Back in Chicago Land, (I moved out in 1981) the CL fellows had one or two fun events at each Contest along with Stunt, the Goodyear racers, sometimes Rat Racing,  and combat. Why can't most do so now?

I'm a tad old to chase competition but I would if such Fun Fly events were included. Some tethered balloons, some 10ft poles to provide a Limbo-Stick for up-over and under, and maybe a time-to-complete-all-tasks, etc., etc., and an event could be presented for anyone with a flyable "whatcha brung" plus those "sodas" and "sammaches"  :##  could also be neat.
No points for white sneakers, pants and/or shirts and caps nor for BOM whoever it might be.  #^
Horrace Cain
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Re: New Horizons ????
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2012, 08:09:05 PM »
Do you  think your CL fellows are not equal to a task of dreaming up their own rules for having a mild Fun Fly competition and  a kind of Fun Day?

   Perfectly capable, just not interested. People have been attempting to come up with various "Mickey Mouse" events in CL forever. They don't stick around because the sort of people who are attracted by such "casual" events are not willing to sustain it with the hard work required to keep it going.

    Brett

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Re: New Horizons ????
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2012, 08:55:36 PM »
We have the Tour De Michigan, we get more people at these than we do the State contest. Samantha took 3 of the 4 events at the lansing event. She has so much fun at these events. Sometime you need a little fun in your life.

Steve

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Re: New Horizons ????
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2012, 05:44:01 AM »
Steve what are the distances covered to do your events.  I is 70+ miles to the closest CL club for me.   The next club is 180+/- miles.
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Re: New Horizons ????
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2012, 03:06:40 PM »
We in Paducah had a Sport Speed event.  Time the model and subtract the engine size from the speed for your score.


We also had a Most Unusual Event, thus my Flying Drill Instructor's Hat as published in Control Line World.

Balloon Bust had four balloons on four sticks.  The one to the left was the shortest stick with each stick to the right getting taller. 
The Pilot must fly counter clock wise and take out the shortest stick first, then on to the taller ones. 
Give numbers or scores to each stick as you desire.

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Re: New Horizons ????
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2012, 03:53:55 PM »
A good thread Hoss.  Like Doc was saying, competition for some just isn't fun and drives them away.  Another thing for us is that very little remains with original intent.  SLOW combat started as a fun Fox .35/Ringmaster thing.  Same for SLOW rat etc.  Pretty soon the thing gets hot-dog and costly and the intent (and interest) is lost.  I think the very locked up rules have made Old Time the success it has become.  Our club in the day did do one pretty successful event.  It was based after the old AYSE contests where we used one .15-.19 powered airplane to fly speed, endurance on 1 ou., balloon bust and stunt changing nothing but props.  That went well on a monthly basis for several years. These things can work on a local basis-but pretty soon someone wants to add it to Nats fare, maybe Worlds......

Anything that sounds too structured won't catch on...

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Re: New Horizons ????
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2012, 10:16:27 PM »
My new prop proved to work wonderfully. I asked several Xpert fliers to watch my plane in level flight both upright and inverted, and look for a tip up. They reported that the wing was dead flat both ways, so I axed what was making it go loose on insides and tight on outsides. They said to move the LO's back, but there was no back to move them to. So I added 1 oz Great Planes weight inside the spinner. I'm camping happy now, by cracky. It's wunnerful, and maybe even lands and takes off better. The sammiches were great, too.  I shoulda bought more, 'cause the weather cleared and folks came out of the woodwork! #^ Steve
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In 1944 18-20 year old's stormed beaches, and parachuted behind enemy lines to almost certain death.  In 2015 18-20 year old's need safe zones so people don't hurt their feelings.

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Re: New Horizons ????
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2012, 11:35:18 PM »
John the lansing and Kzoo events are about 80 miles. Jackson is 120 miles, and I think flint my be just a little over 120. We have no field in Grand Rapids, we fly at schools. I live 20 miles north and trying to get a field up here, had one lost one when I was at the nats. I should have been at the city meeting, but it looks like we are going to get it back. The rc club did this to us after I found a 100 acre field, they want it to them self. Its looking good with the new city manager.

Steve

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