New Glue???

[peabody]

I had been hoarding my last bit of PICA sandable aliphatic in a jar. Lo and behold, the lid was stuck on TighT! I ran hot water over it and clamped it into a woodworkers vice....when I twisted the top off with one of those Craftsman deals, the jar shattered and the glue ran all over!

I wandered to Lowes for some carpenters glue, when I saw some Elmer's PRO BOND......it's gray/white, says that it will bond almost anything to almost anything.

Any info on this stuff?

Thanks

[john e. holliday]

Need to get some parchment paper to put under the lids.   I have been using it on my dope jars.   Sure cut down on the amount of force to open a jar.

[Scott Richlen]

John:

Thanks for the idea!  I had used parchment paper for other "release" uses, but not that one.  I'm gonna try it.

Hey Rich: I still have a little PICA that I am saving.  Typical control liner: I'm building planes, but saving the PICA since its such great glue.  Duh!  And eventually it will dry in the container having never been used....

Scott

[Sean McEntee]

Someone care to educate a "young kid" on what were talking about?

[Ward Van Duzer]

For what it's worth: I found this several years ago and it made sense to me. It works!


West Coast Engineering <westcoastengineering@westcoastengineering.com>
wrote:

I found a good, hard drying, sandable alternative to the GLUIT from
PICA. This was a glue for situations in which a flexible joint is not
of prime importance. It sands and feathers in comparison to Sig Bond
or Great Planes yellow glue which sands like dried liquid latex
(exaggeration).

After testing every white and yellow glue in the local hardware stores
and several art stores, I found that even in thin layers on balsa and
basswood, most of the glues remained flexible and did not feather
well when sanded.

They are intended to give a little. That enhances their strength.

Fortunately, the alternative is a white, fast clear drying aliphatic
resin musical instrument glue called LMI and sold by Luthier's
Merchantile in northern California. When gluing guitars, one wants a
bond that is as hard as possible. Flexible glues don't resonate as
well as sandable more brittle glues. My sanding tests show that it
dries almost as fast as GLUIT and sands just as well and does not have
CAs nasty habit of making basswood as hard as iron wood. :-)

I hope my discovery helps someone else.

Jim Klein


Forwarded by Ward-O

[Bill Little]

Someone care to educate a "young kid" on what were talking about?

Hi Sean,

This about a glue that went out of production several years ago called Gluit and sold by PICA.  It is/was the BEST white glue to use in building.  It actually was sandable!  Seems that the "guitar makers" glue is the same and I will be getting some in the near future.

Stay safe!
Bill

[Brett Buck]

Hi Sean,

This about a glue that went out of production several years ago called Gluit and sold by PICA.  It is/was the BEST white glue to use in building.  It actually was sandable!  Seems that the "guitar makers" glue is the same and I will be getting some in the near future.

  Maybe not, it is still listed as "not available" in the LMI website.

   brett

[Crist Rigotti]

How about a direct link to the stuff described?  Thanks.

[Steven Kientz]

I checked the Elmer's Probond  a month ago. If you read the directions it is best used on NON POROUS material. After seeing that I passed.
Steve

[Scott Richlen]

Note that the guitar forums that popped up with a Google search on LMI said that it has a relatively short shelf life and some handling/use requirements.  And, as always, different users had different experiences.  So, if you order some, do your Google search.

For now, I'll just stick with Gorrilla white glue, cut with water.

I did a little test comparing PICA, Elmers (yellow), and Gorrilla white.  I edge-joined pieces of 1/16th and then glued them to a convex frame.  I then sanded the curved surface as carefully as I could to see which would make the smoothest joint.  I then gave it a blind "touch test".  I also took the frame to an NVCL meeting so everyone could check it out personally.

Results?  PICA came in first (almost imperceptible joint line feel), Gorrilla came in second (almost a tie with PICA), but Elmers was a very clear third with a bump or pucker at the seam line.

Scott

[Ward Van Duzer]

Look for the LMI YELLOW INSTRUMENT GLUE!

W.

[Crist Rigotti]

Look for the LMI YELLOW INSTRUMENT GLUE!

W.

OK thanks.

[Brett Buck]

Look for the LMI YELLOW INSTRUMENT GLUE!

   Have you actually tried the new glue?  It wasn't listed last week, and it's not the same as before.

    Brett

[Ward Van Duzer]

Brett,

No, I have not. I'm still using my supply of the old stuff. Somewhere on the site they give an explanation for the change. I've had no reason to change yet...


W.

[dennis lipsett]

back 20 years ago when Pica glue was the thing to use a friend of mine who was a production manager of a company that used lots of glue found that a product from Devcon was exactly the same as Glueit. He used to get it by the gallon and we would split it up among a few of us, The only drawback was that it had about a year lifespan and then it would start to look moldy. But it glued well, dried clear, fast setting and sanded as well as cellulose glues that we all loved before modern glues. Unfortunately nick passed away in 97 and I've been told that the product was only sold as an industrial product. So if anyone has the connections it might pay to check with Devcon glue.