Author Topic: Mystery Wing... (Read 2933 times)

Joe Yau · « **on:** October 20, 2007, 06:32:36 PM »

A real generous club member gave me a wing from a crashed stunt ship a while ago. But he doesn't know what plane it was.. cause it was given to him and he's just passing it on to me, cause he no longer wants to take on the project.

Would anyone know what plane this wing belongs to? (please see pic below) I been thinking of building a new fuselage and tail for it. It has a 60" wingspan, very high airfoil near the center, 4" Brodak bellcrank with ball clevis and cf pushrods.

Thanks in advance.

builditright · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2007, 08:38:13 PM »

Are there any markings on the ribs?? (number, letters, etc...)

Are there gear mounts in the wing? front or rear of the spar?
I ask because I see some material between the spar and T.E.

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #2 on:** October 20, 2007, 08:49:41 PM »

Looks about like an Impact wing. Whatever the chunks of wood are aft of the spar that Walter mentioned should not be LG related, being too far aft, even for a trike. Ask whoever gave it to you to tell you who they got it from. Then find out where they got it, etc. Sometimes it works. Keith, Al, Hube, Chris or Joan should be able to give you some clues, just based on the remains of the paint scheme. Just from the colors, it could be a Chris Cox product.

Steve

Joe Yau · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2007, 10:52:48 PM »

Quote from: builditright on October 20, 2007, 08:38:13 PM

Are there any markings on the ribs?? (number, letters, etc...)

I couldn't see any markings or numbers. (please see pics below)

Quote

Are there gear mounts in the wing? front or rear of the spar?
I ask because I see some material between the spar and T.E.

I would think there should be some reinforcement in the wing near the landing gear mounts, if they were in the wing. but there were not any.

Joe Yau · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2007, 11:16:20 AM »

Quote from: Steve Helmick on October 20, 2007, 08:49:41 PM

Ask whoever gave it to you to tell you who they got it from. Then find out where they got it, etc. Sometimes it works. Keith, Al, Hube, Chris or Joan should be able to give you some clues, just based on the remains of the paint scheme. Just from the colors, it could be a Chris Cox product. Steve

Sounds like you know quite a few of the club members from up here..

actually i got the wing from Hube S. It is possible that it could be one of Chris Cox's product, I have heard of the name but never seen him or his planes at the field. as I just returned to the CL scene this summer from 1975. so I would of missed whats been happening in the last while.

I do agree it does look somewhat like the Impact wing though. Would you know if the Impact has the wingspan of 60"?

Jim Thomerson · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2007, 01:30:09 PM »

It is from one of the many modified Noblers.

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2007, 06:01:51 PM »

UHP lists their Impact kit at 62" span, but it would be easy to reduce the span 2" with minor tip alterations, to save wood, fit a car, or just restyle. Since it came via Hube, and Hube spent some time around Winnipeg and maybe other parts of Canada, all bets are off. He might remember where he got it, tho. Can't hurt to ask.

In any case, I'd probably just scout up a set of plans for the Impact (Pat Johnston has them, affordable & CAD drawn), and build the rest from fresh scratch. If it's not an Impact wing, not a problem, it will still work well enough. Varley should be able to put you in touch with Pat, or send me an email or PM. Not a good idea to put email addresses in forums. http://www.nwskyraiders.com/index.html I'm the website guy...

Steve

john e. holliday · « **Reply #7 on:** October 21, 2007, 07:37:51 PM »

Looking at the construction, it makes me think it was built using Tom Morris' Lincoln Log construction. Have fun, DOC Holliday

Alan Resinger · « **Reply #8 on:** October 21, 2007, 07:41:32 PM »

I think that it is one of Keith Varley's old ships. Seems like it was one of his Stalker 60 powered jobs. Might have been a Magnum derivitive.
Alan

Iskandar Taib · « **Reply #9 on:** October 21, 2007, 11:38:57 PM »

If you built a plane around this wing, would it qualify for appearance points?

Bill Little · « **Reply #10 on:** October 21, 2007, 11:49:36 PM »

Quote from: Iskandar Taib on October 21, 2007, 11:38:57 PM

If you built a plane around this wing, would it qualify for appearance points?

It would at any NATS I ever attended!

Ron Belcourt · « **Reply #11 on:** October 21, 2007, 11:54:01 PM »

Up here, pretty points don't count

Only the flying... appearance is done separately. That does look like Kieth's old wing from one of his first Magnums. (Knew I shouldn't of missed that meeting.)
Ron

Joe Yau · « **Reply #12 on:** October 23, 2007, 12:58:06 AM »

Quote from: Steve Helmick on October 21, 2007, 06:01:51 PM

In any case, I'd probably just scout up a set of plans for the Impact (Pat Johnston has them, affordable & CAD drawn), and build the rest from fresh scratch. If it's not an Impact wing, not a problem, it will still work well enough. Varley should be able to put you in touch with Pat, or send me an email or PM. Not a good idea to put email addresses in forums. http://www.nwskyraiders.com/index.html I'm the website guy... Steve

That's a good idea.. I do like the Impact.

Joe Yau · « **Reply #13 on:** October 23, 2007, 01:02:49 AM »

Quote from: Alan Resinger on October 21, 2007, 07:41:32 PM

I think that it is one of Keith Varley's old ships. Seems like it was one of his Stalker 60 powered jobs. Might have been a Magnum derivitive.
Alan

What's a Magnum derivitive? would you have a pic of one?

Joe Yau · « **Reply #14 on:** October 23, 2007, 01:18:57 AM »

Quote from: Ron Belcourt on October 21, 2007, 11:54:01 PM

That does look like Kieth's old wing from one of his first Magnums. (Knew I shouldn't of missed that meeting.)
Ron

Even though you missed the meet you still got 2/Stel F2D wings from Mel that day..

Ron Belcourt · « **Reply #15 on:** October 24, 2007, 12:13:22 AM »

Keith built a (maybe 2) Magnum Plus which is an "improved" version of the Sig Kit. It had a built up wing and Keith's usual good paint job. Never did find out the end fate of it, but if that is his old wing... you have a very well built wing (just fix that broken x-brace that is showing in one of the pics.)
Yeah, I might of got 2 Stehls. But upon examination, it is much closer to 3/4's of one. So far alot of work just to get it to one flyable plane. I even had to go as far as rebuilding the leading edge. Wonder what the foam they used was? It is the softest, pithy junk I've ever seen, but well under 1lb/cubic foot. Should be ready to go in two weeks as I'm playing with a couple of sport-stunters at the moment.
Ron

Joe Yau · « **Reply #16 on:** October 24, 2007, 01:07:57 AM »

Just found this...

http://home.alltel.net/ai25116/magnum_kits.htm

You're probably right.. The Magnum does have a 60" wing span. I was originally going to gut the wing, and use the control system for the Score. But after a close look at the wing's construction. It has convinced me enough to want to build a fuselage and tail for it. I'm going to have to ask Keith about it if he shows up at the field this weekend.

What engine are you going to run on the Stel wing?

kvarley · « **Reply #17 on:** October 24, 2007, 06:50:25 PM »

Yes Joe ,Thats my wing Magnum Plus is the design I have the plans if you like them I think mine had a Super Tiger 51 Nice plane very easy to build Keith

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #18 on:** October 24, 2007, 10:49:52 PM »

The Magnum Plus plans are available from Tom Dixon:

MAGNUM PLUS - 59"span, 692 sq. in. area, for .45 to .60 engines. Redesign by Dixon and Smith to eliminate quirks inherent in the Sig Magnum. Built-up wing shown has thicker airfoil, plus there's more side area of the fuselage. $10.00 http://members.tripod.com/~TomDixon/plans3.htm

Here's a pic of mine. It was purchased from Dirty Dan some years ago, still exists, and it is a VERY good flying plane. It's also a nice looking plane, IMO. John Leidle built one more recently, and likes it, tho I've never seen it. Rod Claus is also building one. It's a good piece if built right, well powered, and well trimmed...but almost anything is.

Steve

Ron Belcourt · « **Reply #19 on:** October 25, 2007, 12:59:00 AM »

Looks like Keith answered your question. Get, borrow or steal (naw don't steal, Keith might get his feelings hurt

) the plans. He put up some really good flights, especially for a slightly older newbie. Plus it just looks right, but still could be bashed into a P-51B real easy.
For the Stehls, I'm thinking of a K&B .21 rear exhaust. It was mildly reworked for speed, but is now super outclassed by the current speed engines ( can you say Rossi .21, and add for reworking

). That or a fox .19 with ball bearings. I'll figure that out later. The K&B has more grunt, but the fox is closer to the weight of current F2D (?) engines.
Later,
Ron

Joe Yau · « **Reply #20 on:** October 25, 2007, 10:12:04 AM »

Quote from: keith varley on October 24, 2007, 06:50:25 PM

Yes Joe ,Thats my wing Magnum Plus is the design I have the plans if you like them I think mine had a Super Tiger 51 Nice plane very easy to build Keith

Thanks Keith, I have to get the plans off you soon. How did the ST 51 worked out for the Magnum Plus? Would a OS .46 LA-S be enough power? or it needs a .51 to .60 engine.

Joe Yau · « **Reply #21 on:** October 25, 2007, 10:37:04 AM »

Quote from: Steve Helmick on October 24, 2007, 10:49:52 PM

The Magnum Plus plans are available from Tom Dixon:

MAGNUM PLUS - 59"span, 692 sq. in. area, for .45 to .60 engines. Redesign by Dixon and Smith to eliminate quirks inherent in the Sig Magnum. Built-up wing shown has thicker airfoil, plus there's more side area of the fuselage. $10.00 http://members.tripod.com/~TomDixon/plans3.htm

Here's a pic of mine. It was purchased from Dirty Dan some years ago, still exists, and it is a VERY good flying plane. It's also a nice looking plane, IMO. John Leidle built one more recently, and likes it, tho I've never seen it. Rod Claus is also building one. It's a good piece if built right, well powered, and well trimmed...but almost anything is. Steve

Thanks for the infos. I didn't know there are so many versions of the Magnum.. I notice the wing in the pic is slightly different at the wing tip, and i guess the wingspan is 59" and not 60". also the landing gear is in the fuselage.

What engine do you have in the Magnum?

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #22 on:** October 25, 2007, 08:54:55 PM »

Mine has a detuned ST G.51, & weighs 62 oz. I plan to refinish it this winter, along with another plane. At that time, I'll have the G.51 out, and will look at putting a Double Star .60bb in it (sweet running engine), but will probably just plant a new T&L G.51 in the nose.

I wouldn't put a .46LA in anything over about 600 sq. inches. They're nice running engines, but they're not all that powerful. I would strongly consider a Magnum XL .53 or XLS .52 with side to rear manifold and a stunt pipe, tho. In fact, I need to find out if Randy can provide such a manifold. Might not be a bad plot for a G.51, either.

Steve

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #23 on:** October 26, 2007, 12:01:41 AM »

Steve and others, IMHO, I beleive the LA will fly a plane over 600 inchs, but not one that is heavy. Just my opinion, I fly LA 46 on most of my stuff now. Not sure how light a Magnum would build up, now with a light well framed wing, and light finish maybe. LA 46 are pretty potent packages, well at least for the money anyway

Author Topic: Mystery Wing... (Read 2933 times)

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