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Online James Lee

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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2023, 12:17:02 PM »
One of my more favorite VSC entries from 1996...
A Chuck Hollinger design from Air Trails 1949, and appears to be more suited to outdoor gas free flight.   It is a very accurate one inch to the foot scale model, except the wing should be four inches longer.
Fox 35, ( Of Course!!!  Its Me! ) 28.3 oz, 310 sq in, 50 inch span, and Eighteen Feet of .015 functional wing rigging.....
The wing folded in practice the day before officials.  Todd and I managed to get it back in one piece.
Made two officials, the second flight was the best, but did not do outside loops and vertical eights, according to my log book.
Well, it WAS  a bit breezy.... 
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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2023, 02:05:48 PM »
Looked through Elwyn Aid’s facebook pictures he posted over there years and found these. Here are a couple unusual ones. The first one is a Flying Star designed by Don Yearout. Second one is an Air Trails flying wing

I flew the Flying Star for Charley Bruce at the VSC. It was very nose heavy, and would not turn well. I did a loop the started 6 feet high, and went behind my head at the top.

When I landed the star, it had a high sink rate and landed hard even though it was level when it landed. I could not get it to flare at all. It was mainly for show and tell.
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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2023, 10:52:14 PM »
What do you say about Bob Baron's flapless 'Humbug'?
(I've only found a couple of small pictures)
It definitely deserves mention because it was unusual AND as I understand, very competitive.

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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2023, 11:43:37 PM »
How's this for wild? Pusher canard electric flapped stunter, that actually competed in a well-known West Coast event and beat out conventional stunters!

I remember a lunatic flying a very similar canard design at NW CL Regionals in 2022, but it had a K&B/Veco .61. He flew it pretty well, but was severely hampered by the canard configuration. Very limited cornering ability was the problem.  H^^ Steve
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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #54 on: June 26, 2023, 10:59:53 PM »
I seem to have a picture of a plan for a flapped version of the Humbug: Humbug 666, with 660 sq in wing.
I cannot tell what else is different from the flapless one.

I built a Blue Pants as a kid. Wish I still had it. Might even learn to fly it.

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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2023, 11:41:06 PM »
Bah .



looks like a Combat wing , really . https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=11311







Whereas theother lookslikethis . BAh . AN UMBUG " 60 " WITHA s tIGRE 60 . http://www.flystunt.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/BARON251.jpg



OR THE MARK OF THE BEAST ONE .https://plans.modelaircraft.org/product/humbug-666/ may 95 model av. / july 93 for a OS .32 one .  n~

Now we're all sufficently confused .  :-\

What I want is pictures of his earlier ' world champs ' FSR ' Hallmark ' ( were told ) or The PLAN . Thanks .



Think he built a few , around then . at least theres pictures of a few He Built . But WHERES the Drawing . ?

We've saved you 6.000 words there . As A Picture is Worth a thousand words . unbelievable .

You acyually got ' the schedule ' out of a Netzband Splinter , So theres a tie Up , there . Cept the G-15 was so rich it'd often fall out of the cloverleaf , if at a normal stunt speed .
And it was to fast to see , flat out . Kiwi ones were often pre formed hollow 1 in x 1 1/8 LE with a 1 in front & 2 in rear wing sheeting & capstrips , with ' peacemaker ' wingtips .

NETEZBAND being the consulting aerodynamicist .  %^@ on BOTH .  H^^

They float about like this , nose just out 4/16ths ish . stern  LL~ half up , or is that half down . Touch n Go on water - The Stiction means you wanna hit hard briefly up , to break loose .
Take Off , You sortta start on full up , but its a balancing act trying not to sink it . Probly Overstated , but rough water usage on minimalist floats , is out . No  Worries on GRASS which is what theyre for ANYWAY .






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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #56 on: June 27, 2023, 02:46:55 PM »
Mr Air Ministry
               Did you by chance ever fly seaplane CL at French or Mill Bay in Auckland? I spoke at the NATS to an old chap who used to fly them there many years ago- forgot his name.

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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #57 on: June 27, 2023, 08:16:54 PM »
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Did you by chance ever fly seaplane CL at French or Mill Bay in Auckland? I spoke at the NATS to an old chap who used to fly them there many years ago- forgot his name.

But Im a young chap , Im only thousands of years old . The Planets been here HOW LONG .
see how my Big Toe sticks out .

" Does this 20,000 years old footprint belong to the fastest man in History? – "  “if you weren’t fit in those days, you didn’t survive.”

No , I tried to fly them at Exmouth Footbridge .
Into breeze and waveletts , you ended up walking backward down the beach . Not entirely successfull .

Dont drop a Hot Commando in 2nd their either , on a rainy day . Gas on in the Loose , we ' got the vibe ' .
Look over the shoulder revealed a 50 foot roostertail of fine gravel , drifting in the misty rain over the three lanes of near stationary vehicals .
OOPs .
This then indicated to me , that if the LINES were on the OTHER wing , I wouldnt have to walk , aS THE pLANE WOULD BE wALKING away FROM Me .
Wich appears to be correct .
OTHER place I crashed em was onipoto basin . A wingover through upwind - WHACK , into ' The HARD ' ( a Nautical term !  ;) )
As there was a problem in running back over the pond to tighten the lines . Most Unfortunate .
A neear New Tom Morley Thunderbolt . Tidy Plane And months of work . S P L A T T  . >:(

Thereafter we contemplated ponds , mud flats , cetra et cetra . Flown the MC 72 in the Orewa river , and at Whitianga . All ive got to say about Salt Water , is DONT .
Also , the inner float'll dip . Tickly after landing . Line Weight submergese the wing tip . Glug Glug Glug , if theres no trained & disiplined crew to hand . Salt Water is not a lubricant .

On Grass , the lines on the wrong wing have it going away from you , But it cant , so it wont . or move forward either . UNLESS you DROP IT . Unassisted - from say 1 inch altitude .
With the S6 wing flipped for conventionaliseation now , the inner whatsit releases the restraint , and it moves forward unaided when released - sitting on ' the lawn ' . No Worries   .
Rt Wing Leadouts you must walk TOWARD it , to free the ' sticktion ' stucking it .

With reasonable streamlining , the FLOATS can be BIG , so it wont sink . The BIGGER the more lift & the More Rounded the Better Gust Stability , from whative seensofar .
Not flown radio neither , tho sitting viewing a dead flat sea at dawn had us thinking it'd be the go , when S6 first erected .


Theres a few planes the immediate thought after the first flight is ' Id Like a BIGGER one of Those . Mc 72 came first , so the S6 was Bigger . 60 in . Id say no bigger unless your not 10 stone .

Like Bob's remarks on Twin engines and Wheel Fairings , these've got SOMETHING going for them . if you avoid SALT WATER . Grass is fine . a wire thrread or team race wheel under - inside , for harder surfaces .

Earlier Narrow MC 72 floats , cross winds ' nibbled ' the tracking . Yaw . Flat . Disconcerting but not discombobulateing .  ;D The Bigger Currently fitted floats , despite throwing out the C G so theres lead aft & its overweight ( inna da movie ), DONT disfunctionalise it , inna da wind . Man . HOWEVER , replacement Original Thin scrawny floats are to be refitted . As it was deadly accurate wiffem . Patternwise .


You can see you have to built THREE Fuselage . Which is a bit of a chore . Anyone with F Glaass R C fuse . competance would build A float , for a PATTERN , and Do Composette ones .
Gotta be set Neutral , And I prefer a slight ' Toe In ' . Feel is slightly differant , load top , to load under . But If She's honkin , its like yer on rails / Men ! . The Next great Frontier in F2B .

Theres a few movies offit ere , despte appearaces it was mostly fighting to find a bit when the FP 40 / Magnum was pulling , trying to find a brain cell , and avoiding holes in the air , or the opposite .
In Some you can see the trees moving . So these were more ' proving ' flights for big(ger ) floats than acomplised performances . Someone filmed it recently with a Gp44 innit . Adequate grunt but all the C G & weight
issues but at least it was something like back to its old self . Though he Filmed the first half assed flight , not the wonders & marvells of a decent run & semi tooned in Pilot . :(



The P51 one , the pilots been out in the sun , for seven hours . Brain Fade . He is capeable of talking like a condescending snot , in suitable company .
Thats at the S.A.T. field at Bankstown , where you feel your in the cross cultural cross hairs . Often Here after heavy rain , things are ' a bit damp ' .
So if we introduce a ' No Cop Outs ' clause , everbody else'll be sunk .  S?P   LL~   :-X

AND you NEED 5/32 Gear Leg Wire . AT LEAST for the FRONT Legs . s6 is 5/32 all and is good . You can get dramatic ' thunks ' if you crease a bump , landing . They throw it loose , going Fwd. too .



The Waters a bit wet , usually . Your better off on grass .
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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #58 on: July 04, 2023, 10:12:41 PM »
Vell Vell Vell , Comrades .

Last alf of THIRD flight with the now 1/4 wider full span flaps . Tank needs to be better . Pilots Brain about 5 or 6 tenths . With it in a few places . Not Entirely with it in the clover . Distracted they call it .
Amougst other things . ALSO the WEIGHT is 76 plus , there . Was 71 once . Still well pleased , as itll groove etc . Seems to have lost most of the ' far out ' squares I was hitting . SF 46 on a 12 x 6 .



just hit pause , as it comes past , to observe its peculiarities . Waas supposed to be a ' still ' on the ground , to start .

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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2023, 03:44:05 PM »
I've seen a few planes with teedee 020 and 010, but has one eer entered a contest and finished a pattern?

I flew a TeeDee 020 powered 1/2 A Snapper to a 485 pattern once and an Atwood Shriek powered Firebaby through the entire OT pattern. I can provide witnesses to both.
Think S.M.A.L.L. y'all and, it's all good, CL, FF and RC!

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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2023, 12:01:32 PM »
Larry ... I loved the 1/2 A Snapper ... many fond memories

Here is an experiment from 20 yrs back ...

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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2023, 08:50:08 AM »
Larry ... I loved the 1/2 A Snapper ... many fond memories

Here is an experiment from 20 yrs back ...

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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2023, 09:56:12 AM »
Here's my attempt at something different!
Colibri - Italian for hummingbird.

So, here are some statistics:
Wingspan - 68 1/2 inches
Tailspan - 31 1/8 inches
Tail moment (hinge to hinge) - 19 inches
Weight - 78.3 ounces
Power - three OS Surpass 26 four cycle engines.
Master Airscrew 9-6 plastic propellers.

The plane flies extremely well. No problem with any of the maneuvers.
The wings are removeable just outside the nacelles.
The fuselage disassembles just aft of the trailing edge.
I set it up so that the outboard engine quits first, then the inboard and finally the middle engine.
And, believe it or not, it will fly on just the middle engine.
The cowls are made from seltzer bottles.

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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2023, 02:06:57 PM »
From the June 1948 Flying Models. I built a "Super Looper" and flew it at VSC as did Charlie Reeves a few years later... It is so basic.... D>K
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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2023, 02:31:26 PM »
One more.  Kapak tank, Forster .29 engine.
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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2023, 02:33:44 PM »
Bottom view.
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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #67 on: July 18, 2023, 03:43:00 PM »
Now THAT'S really cool!
I love the basic simple approach.
And a rear intake Forster to boot.
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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #68 on: July 23, 2023, 10:49:22 PM »

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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #69 on: July 23, 2023, 10:52:17 PM »
Here's my attempt at something different!
Colibri - Italian for hummingbird.

So, here are some statistics:
Wingspan - 68 1/2 inches
Tailspan - 31 1/8 inches
Tail moment (hinge to hinge) - 19 inches
Weight - 78.3 ounces
Power - three OS Surpass 26 four cycle engines.
Master Airscrew 9-6 plastic propellers.

The plane flies extremely well. No problem with any of the maneuvers.
The wings are removeable just outside the nacelles.
The fuselage disassembles just aft of the trailing edge.
I set it up so that the outboard engine quits first, then the inboard and finally the middle engine.
And, believe it or not, it will fly on just the middle engine.
The cowls are made from seltzer bottles.

Bob Z.
That's cool Bob! 

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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #70 on: July 23, 2023, 10:55:10 PM »
From the June 1948 Flying Models. I built a "Super Looper" and flew it at VSC as did Charlie Reeves a few years later... It is so basic.... D>K
Nice to see a super looper, I've thought of building one before.

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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #71 on: July 24, 2023, 09:01:46 AM »
Doc

I built a Stunt Wing about3 years ago (BMJR kit), I also had to add a higleys
heavy hub to balance out the plane.
flies great by the way.
I am using an HB 25 on mine.

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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #72 on: July 24, 2023, 09:23:46 AM »
That's cool Bob!

Thanks, Dave - what's really cool is the sound!

Bob Z.

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Re: Most unusual stunters ever
« Reply #73 on: August 01, 2023, 08:09:32 PM »
Didn't one of the Adamisin's fly a stunter with a canard and conventional tail at the '86 NATS? Seems like it was yellow..... Also, didn't people try a freewheeling counter-rotating behind the "regular" prop?

The setup was not free wheeling it was  driven on all props  untill  the  engine  stopped , then the  rear prop free wheeled until it wound down

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