Author Topic: Lets do this to kill the BOM talk (Read 11026 times)

Chuck Feldman · « **on:** March 04, 2011, 07:02:37 AM »

Join in and talk on and on but not about the BOM. I know they will say "just don't read it if you don't like it". But I keep looking for closure on this issue. There being no closure it is getting older and older. Again I know what they will say. Point is there is no hope to resolve this issue. It gets more ridicules all the time. I think Rich Peabody must laugh and laugh.

PerttiMe · « **Reply #1 on:** March 04, 2011, 07:18:57 AM »

Not about BOM?

Cool !!!

I'll post pics.

1) I think this is Swedish.
2) This is not Swedish. Apparently a new RSM kit. Name is Pentastar.

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2011, 10:34:30 AM »

That Pentastar (odd name) is devastatingly handsome. Man I like the looks of that ship. Now if only I had a rich relative with a bad heart. LOL I'm a sucker for anything that has an eliptical (semi-eliptical anyways) wing. That ship just plane looks mean and out to win! I think RSM has a winner there.

PerttiMe · « **Reply #3 on:** March 04, 2011, 11:02:28 AM »

Actually, the Pentastar made me think of the Stuntress and one or two other Joe Adamusko designs.

Also, Tom Niebuhr's Top Hat.

(I don't remember where I stole the Stuntress picture, the Top Hat must be from some thread here)

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #4 on:** March 04, 2011, 12:26:24 PM »

That Stuntress is beautiful....and that paint job....VA VA VA VOOM!

Bill Little · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2011, 12:29:30 PM »

Yeah, Joe has really done some great elliptical designs. real neat guy, too!

Always wanted a set of plans for his U-2.........

Big Bear

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #6 on:** March 04, 2011, 12:32:56 PM »

I remember the U-2. That was in one of mags back in the day. Cool looking bird.

PerttiMe · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2011, 12:54:25 PM »

U-2?

vicstunt seems to have an article on it:
http://www.vicstunt.com/History/U2-Page.htm

looks ... different

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2011, 01:07:13 PM »

The "Pentastar" is Lou Wolgast's PA design, and the name comes from the "MOPAR" symbol (Chrysler Corp.). I got the impression that Lou either worked for Chrysler or is just a big fan of MOPAR products. It is a nice looking plane, as is the Stuntress. Tho Lou is "retired" to Tucson, he's from the same "neck of the woods" as Joe Adamusko.

It's interesting to watch YouTube videos of a bunch of "West Coast" patterns and then watching a bunch of "East Coast" patterns. Try it, and see what's different. Report back!

Steve

PerttiMe · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2011, 01:08:35 PM »

Having posted those racer-look planes, how have I missed the Tsunami?
http://id3420.securedata.net/speedpropsandpylons/jrs_index.html

Does anyone have a GOOD picture of the Tsunami? I have saved a few decent ones of the "full size" one but not Windy's design.

ChrisSarnowski · « **Reply #10 on:** March 04, 2011, 01:34:36 PM »

A bit late on this one but here is Joe Adamusko's Dreampiece from the Brodak 2010 FlyIn.

PerttiMe · « **Reply #11 on:** March 04, 2011, 02:28:37 PM »

It is never too late, or early, for a good looking aircraft.

I'll post a couple of things that are not American.

ChrisSarnowski · « **Reply #12 on:** March 04, 2011, 02:39:54 PM »

Both of those are very good and the structure on the Wind Dancer is outstanding!

-Chris

PerttiMe · « **Reply #13 on:** March 04, 2011, 02:53:56 PM »

Quote from: Chris Sarnowski on March 04, 2011, 02:39:54 PM

structure on the Wind Dancer is outstanding!

Looks complicated, but maybe there's a right way to do that kind of constructions...

Howard Rush · « **Reply #14 on:** March 04, 2011, 03:49:37 PM »

Quote from: Chris Sarnowski on March 04, 2011, 02:39:54 PM

Both of those are very good and the structure on the Wind Dancer is outstanding!

There's a piece on the Stunt Design topic titled "Geodetic wing stiffness", where we get excited about the Wind Dancer.

jim ivey · « **Reply #15 on:** March 04, 2011, 04:25:06 PM »

Chuck thats been an issue since I was a kid and that was long ago and far away. How ya gonna enforce it? Put cameras in everybodys garage to make sure they build their own. If you spies to go around to see if someone else was building their own you could probably bribe th spy and if he didnt get bribed he could say you didn't even if you did. See it never ends. hmm I wonder how much it would cost to have a chinaman to build me a stuka

jim

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #16 on:** March 04, 2011, 06:30:49 PM »

"Chinaman"? Thats flat out bigoted. Not nice. and the whole point of this thread is to NOT discuss BOM.

jose modesto · « **Reply #17 on:** March 04, 2011, 08:14:27 PM »

a couple of photos of models
Photo#1 Jim Damarel
Photo #2 my models
Photo#3 Brazilian model
No BOM talk from 1 to 20 what would you score these models
Jose Modesto

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #18 on:** March 04, 2011, 08:19:20 PM »

Ok let me add another one

This was my 2006 Tiger.

This was built after I came back from the Worlds in 2004 in USA.

Another comp - same plane.

And just to clarify : This is the 2004 Model.

This model is no longer in existance due to line break ( well Unravelled from the eyelet -only happened once and that was it. )

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #19 on:** March 04, 2011, 08:22:15 PM »

What a paintjob! Not quite as good as the Brazilian models, but I'm sure you understand! LOL How did you do the paint....free hand or templates?

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #20 on:** March 04, 2011, 08:25:22 PM »

Free hand Airbrush. 200hrs .

This was one of the 1st models I did with a tiger print paint job Finished for the 2002 season. It was VERY good. Started life with Moki .51 then upgraded to Stalker .61 then to the Longstroke version - I won 3 State Championships with this model.

I lost that model also after lending it to a fellow flyer to get a feel for something better - Vertical 8 into wind and said " I just lost sight of it "

I always prefered the look of the tiger print with Solid lines, more than the airbrushed, I felt that the amount of time it took to airbrush ( despite what it looked like..) Never gave as much of an impact as the solid lines..

This is my 2010 model - which was posted a few months ago

Im in primer stage of my 2011 edition.

Bill Little · « **Reply #21 on:** March 04, 2011, 08:55:18 PM »

Quote from: PerttiMe on March 04, 2011, 12:54:25 PM

U-2?

vicstunt seems to have an article on it:
http://www.vicstunt.com/History/U2-Page.htm

looks ... different

Yes, that's a "young" Joe Adamusko, all right!

There is also mention of "not confusing it with Frank Warburton's much earlier model". I have never seen both set of plans together so I do not know the differences. I can bet that Frank's was powered by a Merco .35, though!

It "IS" different.

Big Bear

Bill Little · « **Reply #22 on:** March 04, 2011, 09:02:31 PM »

Quote from: jose modesto on March 04, 2011, 08:14:27 PM

a couple of photos of models
Photo#1 Jim Damarel
Photo #2 my models
Photo#3 Brazilian model
No BOM talk from 1 to 20 what would you score these models
Jose Modesto

Well Jose, it's tough going from pictures, but I have seen some of your and Jimmy's models in person, So......

Photos #1 and #2: 17-18. (I'm tough on AP

)

Photo #3: all three get 20 points.

(didn't I meet the lady in the middle at Huntersville?

)

Bill

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #23 on:** March 04, 2011, 10:29:02 PM »

Ohh I wouldnt give any of them 20 points...

When you look at the quality of what has been front row 20 points before..

If you look in the judges guide - Quality of fit and finish scores high.

As my example of a couple of 20 pointers..

One more :

PerttiMe · « **Reply #24 on:** March 05, 2011, 02:04:30 AM »

Hey, that is not stunt related

OK, neither are these:

edit:
How did you get all those barbie dolls twisted like that anyway

Bill Little · « **Reply #25 on:** March 05, 2011, 02:08:59 AM »

Quote from: PJ Rowland on March 04, 2011, 10:29:02 PM

Ohh I wouldnt give any of them 20 points...

When you look at the quality of what has been front row 20 points before..

If you look in the judges guide - Quality of fit and finish scores high.

As my example of a couple of 20 pointers..

(snip)

Well, PJ, since I am sure I have been married longer than you've been around, my AP criteria for THOSE model subjects might be a bit different than yours..........

Big Bear

PerttiMe · « **Reply #26 on:** March 05, 2011, 03:51:18 AM »

Just spotted elsewhere.

An R/C electric foamy, 90% finished, 90% to go.
... OK, there's a wooden skeleton under all that 6mm foam sheet and latex paint...

Caudron-Renault C.714 http://www.sci.fi/~fta/ca-fin-1.htm

Rick Campbell · « **Reply #27 on:** March 05, 2011, 05:37:10 AM »

I'm pretty sure silicone or saline implants are a violation of the BOM rule . . . . oops, not supposed to talk about that.

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #28 on:** March 05, 2011, 06:39:44 AM »

Rick :

I'm pretty sure silicone or saline implants are a violation of the BOM rule

No no no your WRONG.. It clearly states :

In the case of ~~rubber-powered~~ models (~~excluding Indoor duration models~~), commercially available ~~balsa~~, plastic, ~~and hardwood propellers~~ may be used.

Its there in black and white.

Bill : My requirements are pretty simple.......... They need to be Pretty.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #29 on:** March 05, 2011, 08:33:22 AM »

All of the female models would score a zero with this old man. They wouldn't last one day out in the hot sun of Muncie INDIANA helping me with the planes. Now the planes are all 20 pointers to me. And PJ if you were at the 2004 Worlds we probably seen each other. I met so many people that year that it is hard to remember them. The New Zealand team was the ones that let me eat with them at the banquet the first night/day. Was after all the countries marched in if I remember right. Have seen a couple of them at later NATS when they came over/up for speed flying. I was the old man trying to get the vests on the F2C competitors before they got in the circle. One young lady caught this old mans eye and I couldn't speak her language. She was a pit person.

PerttiMe · « **Reply #30 on:** March 05, 2011, 09:02:10 AM »

Something tells me that I should post this one photo that keeps appearing on cycling related forums. You can almost exclusively see it in threads containing debates on clothing. Specifically: should mountain bikers wear tight shorts which are functionally great, or baggy shorts that some find esthetically more pleasing. Sometimes the color of the tight shorts is also mentioned.

... let me know if you prefer airplane pics ...

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #31 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:07:20 AM »

What do you mean " if you were at the 2004 worlds "

How else would I have this photo ?

Alas - I don't remember everyone either - Maybe we can fix that in July?

PerttiMe · « **Reply #32 on:** March 06, 2011, 02:51:57 AM »

I like it when they have some curves. Not too skinny. Some muscle too: don't want them to get tired too soon. Maybe even a bit of character.

proparc · « **Reply #33 on:** March 06, 2011, 10:27:16 AM »

More anti BOM debate stuff. The curves on this baby are not quite in the league of what brother JP is throwing down,(pretty good Mr. Rowland) but it ain't bad.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #34 on:** March 06, 2011, 01:27:57 PM »

Quote from: PJ Rowland on March 05, 2011, 10:07:20 AM

What do you mean " if you were at the 2004 worlds "

How else would I have this photo ?

Alas - I don't remember everyone either - Maybe we can fix that in July?

PJ, please I am not disputing your word really.

I probably won't be there this year again. But, it is great to read about past NATS and see pictures of people that I know now and did not know them then. Who can remember this transplanted farm kid flying a Sterlng Gaurdian with a Merco .49 in Navy Carrier? At leeast I didn't place last and got complete flights.

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #35 on:** March 06, 2011, 04:05:25 PM »

JOhn : I didnt mean anything by it - I just posted the photo - I knew what you meant - I thought it was ammsuing the way you said it.

PerttiMe · « **Reply #36 on:** March 07, 2011, 12:15:04 PM »

If you really try, there's enough space in your home to build it:

john e. holliday · « **Reply #37 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:01:25 PM »

PJ, I am still laughing. Now the post after yours reminds of a neighbor that built his plane, A full size bi-plane. He bought a gutted out mobile home and put it in his back yard. When all major parts were done he knocked out the end of the mobile home.

PerttiMe · « **Reply #38 on:** March 07, 2011, 11:44:44 PM »

Here's a couple of more build pictures.
The source is http://www.taylortitch.co.uk/

Chris McMillin · « **Reply #39 on:** March 09, 2011, 10:19:03 AM »

I used to fly a buddy's Taylor Monoplane. Fun little airplane, very similar to the Titch.
Chris...

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