Author Topic: F2B Finals, Final Round (Read 17027 times)

Trostle · « **on:** May 12, 2016, 11:36:16 AM »

As I mentioned in my earlier post, the flight scores at the World Championships are being posted near real time. Even though we do not have access to the flight order for in F2B, it has been interesting to watch as each score is posted. The scores are close enough that there could be some shifting of positions as the third round progresses. I was watching last night as scores were being posted for the first and second rounds of the F2B finals. It is not like being there, but since I did not make the trip this year, watching the scores in near real time is interesting.

This will take you to the F2B results:

http://www.cl-wch2016per.org//Results/index.php

Assuming flights will start Friday morning in Perth at 0900, that will be 1900 here in Mountain Standard Time.

(For those not familiar with the F2B procedures at the World Championships, the Finals ranking is based on the two best of the three Finals flights.)

I think we can thank Bill Lee for assisting the Australians with their computerized system they are using for this World Championships.

Best of luck to Orestes, Paul and David. They have already sewn up the F2B Team Championship.

Keith

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #1 on:** May 12, 2016, 01:27:40 PM »

The flight order is actually posted for round three, its really convoluted to get to , but I found it sort of by accident,, anyway,

http://www.cl-wch2016per.org//Schedule/PracticeSchedules.php

anyway, looking forward to it, I wish we had an onsite play by play commentary

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #2 on:** May 12, 2016, 01:42:07 PM »

In fact I just happened to think, I can likely post a copy version of it to save time,,

looks like Paul is up last,

F2B Final Rounds
Finals Round 3
Time   CompID       Name   Country
09:20    B041         SALOMATIN, Vladimir    RUS
09:30    B048         IATSENKO, Andrii    UKR
09:40    B053         FITZGERALD, David    USA
09:50    B040         GARFUTDINOV, Albert    RUS
10:00    B011         YANG, Liu    CHN
10:10    B052         HERNANDEZ, Orestes    USA
10:20    B029         HIKI, Masaru    JPN
10:30    B045         BURGER, Igor    SVK
Break
10:50    B019         CHAPOULAUD, Nicolas    FRA
11:00    B024         KORNMEIER, Richard    GER
11:10    B002         PARISI, Joe    AUS
11:20    B010         YANG, Jun    CHN
11:30    B026         VALLIERA, Marco    ITA
11:40    B017         GAUTHIER, Alexandre    FRA
11:50    B051         WALKER, Paul    USA

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #3 on:** May 12, 2016, 01:43:54 PM »

looking at the weather, it appears that it is supposed to rain this morning ( their morning) from 8 till 10,, but the wind ramps from 7 mph to a high of 12 around 1 pm their time

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #4 on:** May 12, 2016, 02:24:27 PM »

Quote from: Mark Scarborough on May 12, 2016, 01:43:54 PM

looking at the weather, it appears that it is supposed to rain this morning ( their morning) from 8 till 10,, but the wind ramps from 7 mph to a high of 12 around 1 pm their time

So is Perth rain like west-of-the-Cascades rain, where it's just water falling from the sky? Or is it like plains-states rain, where it's water falling from the sky with bright flashes and booms?

(Thunderstorms are the one thing I really miss living here. They're rare enough here that when you hear distant rumbling you run outside to see if you can see flashes, hear where it's coming from, etc. Then you sag in disappointment when it turns out that the storm was in the mountains where you couldn't see it.)

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #5 on:** May 12, 2016, 03:29:22 PM »

move over here Tim

Steve Thomas · « **Reply #6 on:** May 12, 2016, 03:40:16 PM »

Quote from: Tim Wescott on May 12, 2016, 02:24:27 PM

So is Perth rain like west-of-the-Cascades rain, where it's just water falling from the sky? Or is it like plains-states rain, where it's water falling from the sky with bright flashes and booms?

In Perth, the flashes and booms sometimes happen with strong cold fronts, but there's nothing like that around at the moment. The current aviation forecast just mentions a possibility of fog this morning, with no showers until early Saturday. Should be a great day for it, with any luck.

Paul Walker · « **Reply #7 on:** May 12, 2016, 04:31:24 PM »

Skies clear this morning!

Eating brekky now, then out to field.

Could be interesting final day!

Randy Powell · « **Reply #8 on:** May 12, 2016, 05:04:48 PM »

Hope the wind is howling.

Robby Hunt · « **Reply #9 on:** May 12, 2016, 05:17:08 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on May 12, 2016, 05:04:48 PM

Hope the wind is howling.

If we used the F3A scoring system that could actually be an advantage...

Keith Renecle · « **Reply #10 on:** May 12, 2016, 05:25:15 PM »

This has been a most interesting world champs so far with less entries than usual.....51 instead of the 70+, but of course the standard of flying at the top has been very high. The weather has been great so far and the organization from the Aussies has also been excellent. Our practice circles are on a local sports field that was mowed almost to bowling green status so the usual complaint about nowhere to practice was completely removed. The actual competition circles were added to an existing R/C club runway here at Whiteman Park and right next door is a really nice wildlife park. Most evenings we have had visits from a few kangaroo's, and the grass here is well "fertilized" with Roo-poo!

The USA team is really strong and right now it is Orestes that is on top form after winning the world cup last week. I watched David fly such a neat pattern in round 1 yesterday but it looks like the judges here are looking for something more than "neat". Maybe hard, aggressive corners are the order of the day, but who knows?? With one round to go and two scores already in the bag, it looks like the first place will go to Richie Kornmeijer or Igor Burger. Igor's model weighs more than usual due to the added take-apart system for travelling but as per usual he somehow manages to get his models trimmed to perfection. It is going to be a good last round!

I posted a pic of Orestes at the practice field one evening as well as one of myself with New Zealander Loren Nell and the I also got to meet the famous "Uncle Jimby" at the same time. His paint job on his Shark was outstanding.

Keith R

Trostle · « **Reply #11 on:** May 12, 2016, 06:16:06 PM »

Quote from: Keith Renecle on May 12, 2016, 05:25:15 PM

With one round to go and two scores already in the bag, it looks like the first place will go to Richie Kornmeijer or Igor Burger.

Keith R

Hi Keith,

Wish I could be there to watch this with you.

You made an interesting comment above. Yes, Richie and Igor have strong scores and are in a good position. But one of the scores from the first two rounds for each pilot might be thrown out with a stronger score in this third round. When you look at the current single best score for each of the top pilots, anything can happen with the final placings. It will certainly be an interesting morning for you.

Keith (the other one)

Brett Buck · « **Reply #12 on:** May 12, 2016, 06:37:49 PM »

Quote from: Paul Walker on May 12, 2016, 04:31:24 PM

Skies clear this morning!

Eating brekky now, then out to field.

Could be interesting final day!

It couldn't have lined up better if you wrote the script yourself. Go out with a bang!

Brett

RC Storick · « **Reply #13 on:** May 12, 2016, 06:51:12 PM »

so is it over?

Mike Scholtes · « **Reply #14 on:** May 12, 2016, 06:54:23 PM »

Keith doesn't mention that Jimby is wearing a Warriors cap. I'll wager that is the farthest a Warriors cap has traveled from Oracle Arena in Oakland, California (a few miles from where Jim lives). The finish on anything Jim builds will be a show-stopper, look forward to seeing it in person back in California.

Brett Buck · « **Reply #15 on:** May 12, 2016, 07:01:23 PM »

Quote from: RC Storick on May 12, 2016, 06:51:12 PM

so is it over?

No, but Paul gets the last flight of the WC (and maybe the last big contest flight of his incomparable career since he has said that last year was his last NATs and that this is his last WC bid - of course we will see...).

Brett

RknRusty · « **Reply #16 on:** May 12, 2016, 07:28:37 PM »

Gosh, I'm on the edge of my chair. I wish they had a camera streaming the video.
Good luck to all of our guys.
Rusty

RknRusty · « **Reply #17 on:** May 12, 2016, 07:40:52 PM »

How many points is possible for each maneuver in F2B?
I have other questions but will save them for another time and place.

I see there are only 2 inverted laps after the inside loops, so now I understand why the time is 7 rather than 8 minutes.

John McFayden · « **Reply #18 on:** May 12, 2016, 07:56:31 PM »

In FAI scoring each maneuver is marked between 0 and 10 and a K factor applied. The horizontal square 8 has a K factor of 18. There are 6 inverted laps. The pattern is virtually identical. 7 minutes means accurate fuel measuring for an IC engine.

Brett Buck · « **Reply #19 on:** May 12, 2016, 07:59:03 PM »

Quote from: RknRusty on May 12, 2016, 07:40:52 PM

How many points is possible for each maneuver in F2B?
I have other questions but will save them for another time and place.

I see there are only 2 inverted laps after the inside loops, so now I understand why the time is 7 rather than 8 minutes.

   It's 0-10 points per maneuver with K factors applied to each maneuver. You can calculated the maximum possible - its 10x the K factor and +5 (starting points). Its just like AMA in the sense that there is no "correct" absolute score, but figure a 500 point conventional score is about the equivalent of a 1000 in FAI.

   Its the same as AMA in that respect - you still have to do two laps between maneuver for a total of 6 inverted. The only place the FAI pattern differs from the AMA pattern is that you only have to have 1.5 laps after the hourglass and before the overhead 8, where in the AMA you must have a nominal 2.5, otherwise the flying is absolutely the same.

   The 7 minutes is not there to take advantage of any pattern differences, it's just shorter. The theory is that this speeds up the contests, but it probably doesn't. At best, it's the same for experts, but ends up taking longer for the less experienced - because if you have even the slightest problem starting, you have to take an attempt. In AMA you have some time to keep trying. I would guess if we used a 7-minute flight time in Intermediate, the rate of attempts or overruns would be 3x what it is now.

   Brett

Brett Buck · « **Reply #20 on:** May 12, 2016, 08:05:52 PM »

Quote from: RknRusty on May 12, 2016, 07:28:37 PM

Gosh, I'm on the edge of my chair. I wish they had a camera streaming the video.

If you think it's stimulating watching it from afar, try actually being *in* one of these sort of big contest situations, like the WC Finals or the NATs Top 5 flyoff. Particularly if you have (or think you have) a good chance of winning. Walking out to the center of the circle, all by yourself, engine running, to pick up the handle for an official flight, is a very unique - and lonely - experience.

Brett

RknRusty · « **Reply #21 on:** May 12, 2016, 08:15:59 PM »

Quote from: Brett Buck on May 12, 2016, 08:05:52 PM

If you think it's stimulating watching it from afar, try actually being *in* one of these sort of big contest situations, like the WC Finals or the NATs Top 5 flyoff. Particularly if you have (or think you have) a good chance of winning. Walking out to the center of the circle, all by yourself, engine running, to pick up the handle for an official flight, is a very unique - and lonely - experience.

Brett

Oh mercy, yes. It must take a lot of hard earned confidence and some icewater in the veins. At my level, I find I calm down immediately as the plane starts rolling.

I must have searched up some other scoresheet that showed 2 inverted laps after the inside loops. No matter, thanks for the detailed answer.
Rusty

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EDIT 11:00am Perth time

YAY!

Orestes moves into 1st place.

Brett Buck · « **Reply #22 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:12:30 PM »

Quote from: RknRusty on May 12, 2016, 08:15:59 PM

Orestes moves into 1st place.

And has already beat Igor. Ritchie is the next problem, but Paul's fortunes appear to be rising a bit, too. It would take a prodigious flight, but I would be extremely happy about having the last draw in this round - and Ritchie flies second after the break.

Brett

RknRusty · « **Reply #23 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:15:54 PM »

Yep Igor just moved into 2nd place

Doug Moon · « **Reply #24 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:18:40 PM »

Richard in 3rd

Waiting on one score!

Guaranteed a USA individual for either PW and OH!!!!!

wwwarbird · « **Reply #25 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:24:54 PM »

Are they flying right now?

Brett Buck · « **Reply #26 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:25:16 PM »

Quote from: Doug Moon on May 12, 2016, 09:18:40 PM

Richard in 3rd

Waiting on one score!

Get the "Boom!" ready, this might be the best example you are likely to get.

I like the chances of a USA 1-2-7.

Last flight of the WC, gonna take a 1155 something, but well within the realm of possibility! I have seen this movie several times before, except it happened to me.

Brett

Brett Buck · « **Reply #27 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:25:39 PM »

Quote from: wwwarbird on May 12, 2016, 09:24:54 PM

Are they flying right now?

Yes.

Brett

wwwarbird · « **Reply #28 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:27:29 PM »

Thanks Brett, looks like I'll be staying up a little while yet then.

Doug Moon · « **Reply #29 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:28:45 PM »

King Kong will need an 1156.21

RknRusty · « **Reply #30 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:31:02 PM »

Is Richard one of our stunthangar friends?

Brett Buck · « **Reply #31 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:38:23 PM »

Quote from: Doug Moon on May 12, 2016, 09:28:45 PM

King Kong will need an 1156.21

Can you play the threatening "Jaws" music when the shark is being hunted instead?

Brett

P.S. Yang Jun, 1110 out of nowhere. Unfolding better than expected for Paul, not so good for Dave and making Orestes very nervous.

This is REALLY GOOD STUFF, near real time scoring is a great thing.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #32 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:44:23 PM »

Paul and Orestes' flights popped up on facebook and it looks like it's going to be VERY close!

Doug Moon · « **Reply #33 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:50:33 PM »

Orestes and his camo shorts kicked ass!!

I hope he is wearing them on the podium! Congrats to the team and everyone who put this together and a big fat congrats to Orestes!!!! Way to go man!! Way to go!!!!!!!

Brett Buck · « **Reply #34 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:51:08 PM »

Not that close, as it turns out, but congratulations to World Champion Orestes Hernandez! USA Team Gold going away, too.

Brett

Chris_Rud · « **Reply #35 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:52:09 PM »

Great Job Orestes!!!!! New World Champ!

wwwarbird · « **Reply #36 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:55:11 PM »

Congratulations to Orestes and the Home Team!

Doug Moon · « **Reply #37 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:55:51 PM »

It was fun hitting refresh over and over waiting. Big props to the crew for keeping things up to date quickly. Thank you!!

RknRusty · « **Reply #38 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:57:33 PM »

Yeah it was fun. Good work, guys! Congratulations to the US Team.

Eric Viglione · « **Reply #39 on:** May 12, 2016, 09:59:25 PM »

Man, that was a nail biter! Way to go Orestes! And way to hang tough Paul & David! That was fun to watch unfold!
EricV

Jason Greer · « **Reply #40 on:** May 12, 2016, 10:46:11 PM »

Congrats to the entire team! Very well done!

RandySmith · « **Reply #41 on:** May 12, 2016, 10:57:48 PM »

SIMPLY OUTSTANDING!!!!

Brett Buck · « **Reply #42 on:** May 12, 2016, 11:12:46 PM »

Quote from: Doug Moon on May 12, 2016, 09:55:51 PM

It was fun hitting refresh over and over waiting. Big props to the crew for keeping things up to date quickly. Thank you!!

The live scoring was FAR more compelling that I would have ever expected. I might have been more wound up for this than I am for the same thing in real life.

Brett

Keith Renecle · « **Reply #43 on:** May 13, 2016, 12:05:54 AM »

Isn't this great?? I got to shake the new world champs hand a short while ago. What a happy chappy he is! It could not have happened to a nicer guy either.Well...... "Other Keith", you who right and Orestes certainly pulled out all of the stops to get such a great score. The nice thing is that he won with a model that has zero trimming features like lead-outs or rudder fin adjustment. It is also the older version of the Shark and not the latest Shark Ellipse. The USA will also win the team trophy as well, so all-in-all a good day for their team. Think of this......3 world champs in one team. That's hard to beat!

Keith R

Trostle · « **Reply #44 on:** May 13, 2016, 12:07:17 AM »

Quote from: Brett Buck on May 12, 2016, 11:12:46 PM

The live scoring was FAR more compelling that I would have ever expected.

Brett

One neat thing on the near real time scoring is that it showed the totals for each flyer at their respective position as each flight was finished. We did not have to scan the whole score sheet to see who was leading who. Same as to the team standings as well.

Vivid contrast in years past when scores were not available until late in the day, sometimes not delivered to the Team Managers until like midnight.

Many kudos to Bill Lee who was instrumental to make this happen.

Keith

Gus Urtubey · « **Reply #45 on:** May 13, 2016, 12:47:38 AM »

Congratulations to the USA Team !!!!!
Vamos Orestes todavia !!!!! Un orgullo e inspiracion para todos tus hermanos latinos !!!!!

Larry Fruits · « **Reply #46 on:** May 13, 2016, 01:45:22 AM »

Congratulations to Orestes, Paul, and David. Well earned.

What a team, 3 World and Nat's Champs........

Congratulations again;

Larry

Steve Fitton · « **Reply #47 on:** May 13, 2016, 04:33:52 AM »

Well Done Team USA!!!!

Congrats Orestes on your first World Championship!

Derek Barry · « **Reply #48 on:** May 13, 2016, 04:42:23 AM »

Congratulations Orestes, World Cup and world champ Champion!! I knew you could do it!!

Congratulations to team USA on the team win as well! I know that I and everyone on this forum are extremely proud to have had all of you guys represent us!!

Derek

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #49 on:** May 13, 2016, 05:26:31 AM »

Congratulations to our team! Orestes your many tireless hours of practice have paid out well for you. A well deserved win!

Dave

Author Topic: F2B Finals, Final Round (Read 17027 times)

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