Culture

[Craig Beswick]

Hi all,
this has all gone way too far and way over the top.

I am new to control line and have no issue asking my probably stupid questions.

If someone's, "Perception", is that SH is an unaproachable, "Elitist", forum let them have it. There perception that is.

TJ, you seem to be championing the cause that SH is not welcoming yet I read some of your posts and can't see any issues with responses you have received.

If someone is foolhardy enough to believe that perception is reality good luck to them. I don't  think SH has issues with welcoming people aboard or how posts are responded to and I, again, am NEW!!!!

I really think this is a storm in a tea cup and we have bitten into it.
Craig

[Tom Vieira]

I'm not trying to champion for any cause....

Like i have said, before the mob settled in, yes, this place is full of helpful people (go back and read...)

I am merely reporting that there are those out there who feel that the S.H. community is a bit unwelcoming.  It sucks that people feel that way, which i also have said previously.  Yes, some is by email talking with these people, but plenty of them are also in a face to face manner.

I was simply trying to bring this to the groups attention to brainstorm ways of making everyone feel welcome, to further the knowledge base and discussions on here.

BUT

Apparently everyone is completely happy, so, oh well.....  end of story.

[WR Crane aka MrClean]

It's the Tone Deaf arguing with the Tone Less. 

Keep it up guys.

I think the site works fine. (truthfully, that part wasn't for giggles)

[Tom Vieira]

Hey now...  Pavarotti doesn't hold a candle to me when I'm singing to the steering wheel!   

[BillP]

Oi....  here we go with the flying over the conversation and not absorbing....  and assuming it's one person, when stated previously it's not an isolated incident.

....and the admitting that he wouldn't wander in to the beginner section to help out.  Fair enough.  I guess it should only be, say 5 guys in there anyhow to give consistent solid advice.

Go ahead admins, lock it up, no point any further.....

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

Seems to me you're the one "not absorbing".  I didn't feel a comment on the "others" was necessary as you only listed one specific example...but it really makes no difference as no site is going to change anything based on one example from FB. You cherry picked the (often) out of my sentence and inserted your condescending bias. So, here's the point and clarification...I will help anyone, anytime but will not likely visit a beginners forum often. Just like i don't fly electric or competition and don't visit those topics often. I doubt there are many here that read every topic or sub forum either.  You're implications about this site suggests it's elitist, in my opinion you are showing the elitist attitude when posts don't agree with you. Sparky is quite clear on the direction here and so are the majority of others.

Peace and go fly...or something.

[Andre Ming]

Well, seeing as my primary interest in C/L has been nostalgic combat planes for decades, I hardly fit into the "Stunt Elitist" category. Therefore, I seldom ask questions, or post anything, pertaining to the TOPIC OF CHOICE here. Yet, there has never been any negative that I can recall concerning me, my posts, or my topics I post about. I also frequent the "Combat" forum here, but many, many times an "off topic" combat topic will make it to this main forum, and again, no negative responses from the stunt guys.

From my limited experience here:

* Overall: When it comes to BS, no quarter taken, none given. Basically the constituents calls a  spade is a spade as they perceive it.

* Admittedly, there does to seem to be a bit of friction between a very few individuals here, but it's kept between themselves as they go at one another. (Which, frankly, I find quite amusing at times and very entertaining! Sick humor on my part, I guess.)

* I do not recall ever seeing a newcomer run off, or belittled, etc. Instead, I've seen them welcomed back into the fold (if they had previous C/L experience) or welcomed as a newcomer WITH offers to help in any way they can.

SO, there you have it: Stunt Hanger as perceived by this non-stunt person that hangs out here. Obviously, my opinion I express in this post is a "FWIW" deal, which ain't much.


Andre

[Branko Ljubetic]

Hi TJ. Im the one who posted about if Stunthangar is the correct place to put my .19 design. Well, i do have a Stunthangar user (but im not really involved here), and someone contacted me to tell me that you created a thread about this (the one who contacted me was very specific to not mention him, dont know why). The point is i looked all post here. First i wanted to answer and explain what was my point behind my question i made TJ, and say sorry to the people who may feel offended by my words. But then i saw some sort of offensive post related with my poor english, and even called as a "FB troll". Then i changed my mind; basically i dont want to offend nobody and i dont want to make you fight with the other guys. I just wanted to know if SH is an apropiate site to put my plane. Maybe it is full of nice people here. I want to say thanks anyway TJ, youre always up for Control Line and seems like some guys didnt understand what are you trying to say. Just dont worth it, but thanks anyway!! And the people feeling offended by my FB comment: sorry. Im not feeling "discriminated" by stunters, i just say that i equally like stunters as 1/2A Musciano designs. Anyway, thanks TJ and sorry if i was disrespectful with someome here.

Branko Ljubetic

[Brent Williams]

Welcome to Stunthanger, Branko!  Glad to have you with us.

[RC Storick]

Hi TJ. Im the one who posted about if Stunthangar is the correct place to put my .19 design.
Branko Ljubetic

You can place it anywhere you like and I am sure there would be interest. Ask any question you like and I am sure there will be answers.
I am sure your English is much better than I can speak your language. So no worries welcome aboard.

[944_Jim]

Hi Branko,
I've been watching your build in RCG. I'm no expert, barely a hobbyist!
I used to fly Cox CL when I was a kid. That's why I like your Cox hat.
Forty years later I can afford dope, balsa and engines. So I'm back to trying to fly CL again. To be honest, I've smashed every plane I built in the last three years.
Those were my growing planes. Now I want to build a more suitable plane for learning more than roundie-roundie.

These guys here have been very patient with my questions. My building has gotten better. And I've made virtual/real connections with people that have made getting supplies easier than eBay, for better parts.

I have a box of balsa that will become a P-40 with the Akromaster wing. So I try to find videos of other Aktomasters to see what engines those pilots flew. I think I saw one on an airport parking lot with a real airplane behind it...was that your video?

Please stick around here.

Jim in MS

[Branko Ljubetic]

Thanks Brent!

Thanks admin. Im not a troll, i just wanted to know if here are people interested in smaller planes. You see, in Control Line Flying group (the one where TJ is the most active member) there are people that post buildings of plank wing cox planes, and everyone have good advice. Maybe im wrong, but i cant find a place to put a build log, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Jim, sure thing here talk some control line big players, i just dont know if here are people interested on small planes, there is nothing "wrong" with that, maybe there is other places for that and here is just stunters. In fact it is not a "welcoming" attitude or something related with it. It is more related with my personal interest on building logs or small planes.

Sure thing here is nice people willing to help. I just dont want to make a mess or something, and TJ is a really enthusiastic Control Liner just willing to help. Thanks everyone.

[Brett Buck]

Thanks Brent!

Thanks admin. Im not a troll, i just wanted to know if here are people interested in smaller planes. You see, in Control Line Flying group (the one where TJ is the most active member) there are people that post buildings of plank wing cox planes, and everyone have good advice. Maybe im wrong, but i cant find a place to put a build log, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Jim, sure thing here talk some control line big players, i just dont know if here are people interested on small planes, there is nothing "wrong" with that, maybe there is other places for that and here is just stunters. In fact it is not a "welcoming" attitude or something related with it. It is more related with my personal interest on building logs or small planes.

Sure thing here is nice people willing to help. I just dont want to make a mess or something, and TJ is a really enthusiastic Control Liner just willing to help. Thanks everyone.

   There is lots of stuff like that in the 1/2 flying forum.

   Everybody is here to have fun, ultimately - because you sure aren't going to get rich in model airplanes .

   Brett

[Tim Wescott]

   There is lots of stuff like that in the 1/2 flying forum.

And even though I'm devoting what little modeling time I have to "full sized" stunters (and posts like this, from work) I like the little ones, too.  The 1/2A forum is pretty active here; you can post a build thread there, or in the open forum.  I'll be watching...

[wwwarbird]

 Maybe im wrong, but i cant find a place to put a build log, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Jim, sure thing here talk some control line big players, i just dont know if here are people interested on small planes, there is nothing "wrong" with that, maybe there is other places for that and here is just stunters. In fact it is not a "welcoming" attitude or something related with it. It is more related with my personal interest on building logs or small planes.

Sure thing here is nice people willing to help.

 Here on Stunthangar there is a separate forum section for practically every segment or category that exists related to Control Line building, flying, finishing, engine tuning, buying, selling...the list goes on and on. You'll find anything and everything from the smallest most basic sheet wing type models up to World Competition winning types, and EVERYTHING in between. One just has to pick and choose, looking through the many sections offered within the forum, if it's C/L related it's here.

 The "Building Techniques" section is a great place for starting a build log. Or, they can be added into one of the various model categorical sections relating to the particular type of model, including the section that is specifically intended for 1/2A models. There are plenty of hobbyists here interested in small to mid-size models, in reality, it's probably the majority. Very many here also enjoy just building and flying for fun, without ever entering competition.

 No matter big or small, ultra basic or super techy, backyard flying or World Competition, you can join the crowd and find something about it here. 

[Shorts,David]

We all have what we're comfortable with. I'm grateful for it all. I read posts on SH for about two years gathering so much information until I was ready to make my first comment. I was so happy when nobody said, get out of here little boy. Then I made another comment and someone agreed with me. Then I realized I could ask the dumb questions too and I wouldn't get kicked out.
How did I get that perception? I'll guess...
 Experts can be intimidating, but they're also very knowledgeable and in this case, very friendly. But...that was me.
I'd love to see some of this expertise packaged into more stunt news articles. I know many of you veterans read and contributed to everything back in the day, but my subscription only goes back about three years. Anyhow,  let's get in some more flying.
Oh, there is that one guy on the FB control line group who is never worth listening to. He made me feel like I wasn't worthy to hold a handle because of some honest comment or question I asked.  But hey, we all have at least one part of our own bodies that stink.

[john e. holliday]

Now I realize why Stunt Hanger is my number one site.  I have only one facebook page I go to so I can keep up on the combat doings.  Was asked not to post any more on a couple of other facebook sites.  But, like one of the guys at work asked me, "How do you get by with statements You make".  The statements were made to supervisors fresh out of tech school that knew only what the school taught them.  Nothing beats hands on experience.   I'm still learning thinds in CL modeling.

[wwwarbird]

I'm totally fed up with the sensitivity crap.

Bob Hunt 
   

 Frickin' BINGO!