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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #50 on: March 18, 2020, 04:08:48 PM »
Spot on Mike.

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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2020, 06:49:53 PM »
Rants on both sides aside, what percent of the folks on this forum are in the age range to be seriously at risk as I am? I’ll bet it is over 50%!  >:D
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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #52 on: March 18, 2020, 07:35:30 PM »
Hey, this is just the way to solve the financial difficulties with social security and Medicare! Clear out out all all them old geezers and the system works again.
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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #53 on: March 18, 2020, 08:14:48 PM »
Rants on both sides aside, what percent of the folks on this forum are in the age range to be seriously at risk as I am? I’ll bet it is over 50%!  >:D

      I think I am. I'm 64, and had a bad bout with pneumonia, although it was years ago. Spent a week in the hospital with it, both lungs. Was told then to be careful, that if you had pneumonia once that it's easy to get again. And that is supposed to hold true with this. Doesn't change my views much on things.
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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #54 on: March 18, 2020, 08:59:20 PM »
At 75, one heart attack, 5 stents, and Diabetes I am in the high risk group. I sure as hell am not going to sit around and worry about it.

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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2020, 09:20:21 PM »
Ok, everyone wants to talk Corona virus... let's talk about it. Let's talk about how China was fighting against the Hong Kong protesters that were waving American flags and praising Trump.... gone. Let's discuss how Trump has been tough on China and trade and theft of intellectual property. Now china threatens to withhold the ingredients for medicines. Let's talk about how the democrats and main stream media have blamed Trump for everything since he was elected and have come out and said they hoped the stock market would crash to make him look bad. Let's talk about how we had a Harvard professor of bio chem working secretly for the Chinese and getting paid really well, while lying about his connections. We all have seen what these leftist college professors have indoctrinated our young people and how nasty they've been towards anyone that supports Trump. We've all seen how far the left and dems are willing to go to regain power and how the media has been used to promote their fake stories. Now we see them blame Trump for a Chinese virus and use the dem media to scare people and destabilize our markets. Let's talk about the Chinese girl that they're looking for, that they think is now back in china , that had access to our defense department and military. How about the chinese guy they busted at the airport with vials of bio materials hidden in his sock! How about the Chinese driver that was discovered working for Fienstein? Let's talk about how there's not more talk about protests in Venezuela. How about the fact that there's a bio lab in Wuhan, near that market they blamed and the professor had ties to that lab. Now China is trying to blame the virus on our military... makes no sense...since when do we have troops in China? How about Nancy Pelosi trying to sneak in abortion funding into the funding bill for the virus. Let's talk about all the scandals that aren't being talked about now.... like Hunter and Joe Biden's corruption in Ukraine or how Nancy and Schiff abused power in congress to continue this never ending witch hunt against our President. So all you sheeple...go ahead and beat eachother over toilet paper. You're now getting a taste of socialism at it's finest. Lack of supplies, waiting in line, media scaring everyone while screwing the economy and only telling you what they think you should know. Let's look at Italy where they're not going to treat the elderly because it's too much and they want to treat the young people.. there's your socialized death squad medicine for you. Go ahead and panic like dems want. The rest of us that are still sane and are the last bastions of common sense aren't going to panic, We're not falling for the BS and yes, we will still vote Trump!

AMEN, Mike!  And you just got started ... Our "leaders" - both parties - have failed MISERABLY at any long-range planning.  Were we to be at war tomorrow with North Korea and China, defending South Korea, we would definitely want to rely on imported steel from China to build our tanks.  NOT!

TRUMP seems to be the only "leader" who has a remote understanding.

I was talking with my son four or five months ago about the "brilliance" of some of our European Allies, who gifted the former Soviet Union with low-interest "developing countries" loans - loans which the Soviet Union defaulted on as it crumbled.  Meanwhile, those same Allies relied on us to defend them against the Soviet Union!?!

Germany recently propped up Russia substantially by agreeing to purchase gobs of natural gas.  Trump shouldn't just be demanding they fund NATO as agreed, he should be SCREAMING at them.  They can defend themselves then!

The Chinese economy is faltering ... six guesses who will pay if they default on US loans, but the first 7 guesses don't count!  And we're relying on China to provide medications we need!?!

And good old Daddy's Boy, Hunter Biden ... the Chinese gave him zillions of dollars to invest.  Those of you who rely on investments to fund your retirement - do you have ANY IDEA how much ownership in the investments you rely on is in Chinese hands!?!  In some funds its 30 to 40%!

Simple Truth: Trump's "America First" Agenda isn't just "Patriotic", it's JUST PLAIN COMMON SENSE.

Mike, let me add to your signature: It's too bad that stupid doesn't hurt - But the stupid (and dead) still vote!

Yes, our own Democrat Secretary of State has refused to obey several court orders to abide by State Law and release voter registration data - it's headed to our Minnesota Supreme Court; my bet is the Democrats will go all the way to the US Supreme Court resisting STATE LAW.  What's to hide!?!

There is so much more ... what say we gather together some folks with at least a modicum of intelligence and put together a NATIONAL STRATEGY for the future, all entrenched politicians excluded?  There is really nothing new here, nothing we just learned ... just many years of COMMON SENSE yielding to "quick and easy".

Dennis


PS: I was in a coma and on oxygen with pneumonia at 6 months, about 5 recurrences since, open heart surgery in 1966 as a pioneer - and Ill be damned if I'll crawl under a rock and quit living as I approach my 80th birthday!
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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2020, 10:11:50 PM »
Brett, you have such a myopic viewpoint, I was initially surprised but no longer.




    Right. That's what happens when you put the least efficient organization in any country - the government - in charge of something. And when it proves again to not work, then, we have the same people that created the situation weeping and rending their garments over the "tragedy". *That they themselves caused*. And their solution - do it some more! 

    The American left has been doing their level best to destroy out health care system (so they can replace it with their own) for 30+ years, basically so they could make it work like the European system that just killed 2500 people over the flu.

    Well, mission nearly accomplished - that's why the left is practically dancing in the streets and pulling for more people to die, so that they can "prove" that the system needs to get blown up and replaced completely. And not take even a slight responsibility for the results.

     And, as a side effect, put the government in final and ultimate control of everyone's lives - note the many admiring nods toward's China's response, which woudl have made the Nazis blush. Every little Hitler like Newsome, London Breed, etc, will be empowered to tell you where to go, when, how, and have you asking for permission.

     An observation - in the Bay Area, it is now nominally legal to smoke dope, but illegal to go to work. That what you let a bucnh of aging hippies run the world.

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« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2020, 10:14:36 PM »
Another short sighted narrow minded viewpoint, one way and that's it for you? Wow.



Ok, everyone wants to talk Corona virus... let's talk about it. Let's talk about how China was fighting against the Hong Kong protesters that were waving American flags and praising Trump.... gone. Let's discuss how Trump has been tough on China and trade and theft of intellectual property. Now china threatens to withhold the ingredients for medicines. Let's talk about how the democrats and main stream media have blamed Trump for everything since he was elected and have come out and said they hoped the stock market would crash to make him look bad. Let's talk about how we had a Harvard professor of bio chem working secretly for the Chinese and getting paid really well, while lying about his connections. We all have seen what these leftist college professors have indoctrinated our young people and how nasty they've been towards anyone that supports Trump. We've all seen how far the left and dems are willing to go to regain power and how the media has been used to promote their fake stories. Now we see them blame Trump for a Chinese virus and use the dem media to scare people and destabilize our markets. Let's talk about the Chinese girl that they're looking for, that they think is now back in china , that had access to our defense department and military. How about the chinese guy they busted at the airport with vials of bio materials hidden in his sock! How about the Chinese driver that was discovered working for Fienstein? Let's talk about how there's not more talk about protests in Venezuela. How about the fact that there's a bio lab in Wuhan, near that market they blamed and the professor had ties to that lab. Now China is trying to blame the virus on our military... makes no sense...since when do we have troops in China? How about Nancy Pelosi trying to sneak in abortion funding into the funding bill for the virus. Let's talk about all the scandals that aren't being talked about now.... like Hunter and Joe Biden's corruption in Ukraine or how Nancy and Schiff abused power in congress to continue this never ending witch hunt against our President. So all you sheeple...go ahead and beat eachother over toilet paper. You're now getting a taste of socialism at it's finest. Lack of supplies, waiting in line, media scaring everyone while screwing the economy and only telling you what they think you should know. Let's look at Italy where they're not going to treat the elderly because it's too much and they want to treat the young people.. there's your socialized death squad medicine for you. Go ahead and panic like dems want. The rest of us that are still sane and are the last bastions of common sense aren't going to panic, We're not falling for the BS and yes, we will still vote Trump!

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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2020, 10:29:35 PM »
Maybe it is time to start thinking about this year's contest schedule.   Or not.

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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2020, 03:30:54 AM »
The other viewpoint.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/bring-back-big-government-companies-can-t-save-us-20200319-p54bly.html

Obviously written by someone who would condemn Trump for even being born, and who is obviously lacking in understanding American history or what is currently happening. I will agree that our country is in a terrible "strategic" position but blame a long list of leaders - see my comments above.

Just FYI: FDR's great programs did darned little to take us out of the Depression; War in Europe (and the gathering storm clouds) did that.  I could cite statistics, but those who believe the former don't want to hear them.


Dennis

PS: Reagan understood the weakness of the Soviet Union and took financial steps to insure its demise.  I doubt this writer - or many other political commentators - have a clue.
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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2020, 08:46:43 AM »
Another short sighted narrow minded viewpoint, one way and that's it for you? Wow.

Mr. Pass, I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.  By the way, I know you are new around here but just FYI, you couldn't carry Brett's jockstrap.

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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2020, 09:20:46 AM »
Mike,

You have assembled many details developing your argument to support the Trump administration in its argument that this dilemma was caused by the Democratic party or whoever. You are angry and frustrated as many of us with the situation we now face with this pandemic along with the consequences to our economy. It wells up many long-standing partisan sore points for sure. So let’s ask is Donald Trump the leader he claims (promised) to be? Is he capable of getting us out of this mess? I’ll agree, many of your points are indisputable but let’s ask why we are really here. Donald’s popularity is dropping significantly and the general consensus is people including folks in his own administration do not think he is handling this war correctly. Many say he has not been truthful and has not grasped the challenge to lead the country in this crisis. Many say he will not accept responsibility but would take full credit if this was to all miraculously go away tomorrow as he so incorrectly predicted it would.

The fact is and you must agree in 2018, John. Bolton under the direction of Donald Trump gutted the CDC and all its departments and direction. It was part of the Trump cost-cutting plan he promised if elected. The CDC was established under Obama following the Ebola crisis and in an attempt to protect us in the event of a biological attack. It was under the CDC the testing requirements were developed to meet the nation’s demands in the event of a crisis like today but later scrapped. It was under the scrapped plan that developed the 10,000 federal ventilators now available that Trump’s administration, now prides itself on having. Also, the tariffs on China have forced them to sell the medical equipment we now need to other countries who have stockpiled leaving us with nothing.

Where does this leave us now? Should we compare the cost Donald attempted to save by eliminating the CDC to the financial burden we now are faced with? Saving perhaps a half a million dumping the CDC compared to a Trillion or more we now must absorb. A very poor decision, he had no concept of what he was doing. And now Bolton his hatchet man is out for him, unbelievable, with a book he may as a result never release. Would you, after what’s occurred if you were Bolton? Hey, people make mistakes nobody’s perfect but isn’t it now about accountability for the damage he caused?  It’s about accountability for the business that will be lost, the economy and families hurt and loss of confidence in the nation. And we mustn’t fail to mention the loss of life of good people, there’s no price tag on this. Spoils of war I guess? Just old geezers, who cares anyway about them anyway right? How about some compassion.

Now I’m going to tell you I voted for Trump as a die-hard Republican, I’m no lefty. I owned and operated my own business for almost 30 years and was caught up in Donald’s promises for change. I was tired of attempting to survive in a handout country, tired of supporting everyone else, and the struggle. I wanted a leader, who promised to turn things around. I envisioned a businessman with ethics and standards the country was built on. I feel I was let down, the country is more divided now than the ’50s with Jim Crow and the black experience of that time. There is more hatred now than we can ever recall. Wasn’t it  Donald’s responsibility to further the attempts of his predecessors of both parties to bring this nation closer together. He has accomplished nothing only worsened things. He has failed, destroyed years of good work. For a county to be successful it must be together and have good leadership. Requiring a trusted and respected president that expresses his faith in God and confidence in view of all turmoil. Someone that takes ownership, accountability and understands what it is to leave a legacy as well as warrant the respect of his neighbor nations.

So, Mike, I don’t care about China, where this virus originated or finger-pointing it doesn’t matter. I’m just plain disgusted, disappointed our leader isn’t the man I thought he was.  I’m now in my 70s and I am a high risk for the virus. I was also proud to serve this country during the 60s turmoil and I don’t care that trump dodged the draft it means nothing to me. I feel sorry for the armed forces today, how must they feel when they look back from afar at this administration, it’s failed leadership and how their commander ignores the values this nation was built upon. I cannot again vote for a person like Donald Trump, we can not afford another term of this turmoil. In truth, I think he has hurt himself badly, I think it’s caught up with him. I don’t think our country will bring him back. Understand I’m not looking for a fight, I won’t go there, it’s not my style and I respect your knowledge in CL  but please convince me why I should place stock in this man, I would appreciate that.


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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2020, 11:53:28 AM »
Political animosity is so thoroughly entrenched into our society, that even this common threat to our existence seems to get blamed on one side of the political aisle or the other.  Many responses right here in this thread seem to prove my argument.

The folks in Washington are now trying to convince us that "There is no Democrat or Republican, only American" during this crisis.  Well,I haven't yet seen that happening.  It still looks like a "us versus them" mentality, which isn't going to go away.
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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2020, 02:00:15 PM »
Mike,

You have assembled many details developing your argument to support the Trump administration in its argument that this dilemma was caused by the Democratic party or whoever. You are angry and frustrated as many of us with the situation we now face with this pandemic along with the consequences to our economy. It wells up many long-standing partisan sore points for sure. So let’s ask is Donald Trump the leader he claims (promised) to be? Is he capable of getting us out of this mess? I’ll agree, many of your points are indisputable but let’s ask why we are really here. Donald’s popularity is dropping significantly and the general consensus is people including folks in his own administration do not think he is handling this war correctly. Many say he has not been truthful and has not grasped the challenge to lead the country in this crisis. Many say he will not accept responsibility but would take full credit if this was to all miraculously go away tomorrow as he so incorrectly predicted it would.

The fact is and you must agree in 2018, John. Bolton under the direction of Donald Trump gutted the CDC and all its departments and direction. It was part of the Trump cost-cutting plan he promised if elected. The CDC was established under Obama following the Ebola crisis and in an attempt to protect us in the event of a biological attack. It was under the CDC the testing requirements were developed to meet the nation’s demands in the event of a crisis like today but later scrapped. It was under the scrapped plan that developed the 10,000 federal ventilators now available that Trump’s administration, now prides itself on having. Also, the tariffs on China have forced them to sell the medical equipment we now need to other countries who have stockpiled leaving us with nothing.

Where does this leave us now? Should we compare the cost Donald attempted to save by eliminating the CDC to the financial burden we now are faced with? Saving perhaps a half a million dumping the CDC compared to a Trillion or more we now must absorb. A very poor decision, he had no concept of what he was doing. And now Bolton his hatchet man is out for him, unbelievable, with a book he may as a result never release. Would you, after what’s occurred if you were Bolton? Hey, people make mistakes nobody’s perfect but isn’t it now about accountability for the damage he caused?  It’s about accountability for the business that will be lost, the economy and families hurt and loss of confidence in the nation. And we mustn’t fail to mention the loss of life of good people, there’s no price tag on this. Spoils of war I guess? Just old geezers, who cares anyway about them anyway right? How about some compassion.

Now I’m going to tell you I voted for Trump as a die-hard Republican, I’m no lefty. I owned and operated my own business for almost 30 years and was caught up in Donald’s promises for change. I was tired of attempting to survive in a handout country, tired of supporting everyone else, and the struggle. I wanted a leader, who promised to turn things around. I envisioned a businessman with ethics and standards the country was built on. I feel I was let down, the country is more divided now than the ’50s with Jim Crow and the black experience of that time. There is more hatred now than we can ever recall. Wasn’t it  Donald’s responsibility to further the attempts of his predecessors of both parties to bring this nation closer together. He has accomplished nothing only worsened things. He has failed, destroyed years of good work. For a county to be successful it must be together and have good leadership. Requiring a trusted and respected president that expresses his faith in God and confidence in view of all turmoil. Someone that takes ownership, accountability and understands what it is to leave a legacy as well as warrant the respect of his neighbor nations.

So, Mike, I don’t care about China, where this virus originated or finger-pointing it doesn’t matter. I’m just plain disgusted, disappointed our leader isn’t the man I thought he was.  I’m now in my 70s and I am a high risk for the virus. I was also proud to serve this country during the 60s turmoil and I don’t care that trump dodged the draft it means nothing to me. I feel sorry for the armed forces today, how must they feel when they look back from afar at this administration, it’s failed leadership and how their commander ignores the values this nation was built upon. I cannot again vote for a person like Donald Trump, we can not afford another term of this turmoil. In truth, I think he has hurt himself badly, I think it’s caught up with him. I don’t think our country will bring him back. Understand I’m not looking for a fight, I won’t go there, it’s not my style and I respect your knowledge in CL  but please convince me why I should place stock in this man, I would appreciate that.


Disappointed and disgusted, I have to get back to building model airplanes.

Steve, because the alternative was and remains MUCH WORSE.

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« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2020, 03:18:54 PM »
I believe those that live in glass houses such as you Max, need to keep your comments to yourself.  Things could be said about Canada and Mexico such as Trudeau and Drug Cartels, but those normally would be the concern of Canada and Mexico, but both directly affect the USA.  And vice versa. If all of would concentrate on our own problems and attempt to fix them maybe things would improve. Think about that. I only care about the USA and its citizens. Good neighbors stay out of their neighbor's business. Where my nose ends as well as yours is where we both should stay.
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« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2020, 03:32:26 PM »
To Steve Dwyer,

I am a 31 year USAF retiree and I remember the debacles of the Carter, Clinton, and Obama administrations and how our military was hollowed out and demoralized. The Reagan, Bush 1 and 2, and Trump administrations restored the US Mililtary and its morale. I and other US Military personnel firmly and enthusiastically supported them to include President Trump. I don't know where your beliefs come from but you are incorrect.

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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2020, 03:40:42 PM »
The folks in Washington are now trying to convince us that "There is no Democrat or Republican, only American" during this crisis.  Well,I haven't yet seen that happening.  It still looks like a "us versus them" mentality, which isn't going to go away.

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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #69 on: March 19, 2020, 06:59:26 PM »
With a non funtioning democratic system, there is a solution;
Maybe a second civil war will sober you all up.
Should be no problem with 300+ million weapons in the hands of civilians.
The Canadians are not blessed with the usa at their border.
Nor are the mexicans.

That's pretty funny Max, or to be more direct - just stupid.  Seems the Mexicans especially want to come here by the millions, so I'm sure they appreciate the border is close.

Meanwhile, think you can straighten out your own country?


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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #70 on: March 19, 2020, 07:24:18 PM »
Mike,

You have assembled many details developing your argument to support the Trump administration in its argument that this dilemma was caused by the Democratic party or whoever. You are angry and frustrated as many of us with the situation we now face with this pandemic along with the consequences to our economy. It wells up many long-standing partisan sore points for sure. So let’s ask is Donald Trump the leader he claims (promised) to be? Is he capable of getting us out of this mess? I’ll agree, many of your points are indisputable but let’s ask why we are really here. Donald’s popularity is dropping significantly and the general consensus is people including folks in his own administration do not think he is handling this war correctly. Many say he has not been truthful and has not grasped the challenge to lead the country in this crisis. Many say he will not accept responsibility but would take full credit if this was to all miraculously go away tomorrow as he so incorrectly predicted it would.

The fact is and you must agree in 2018, John. Bolton under the direction of Donald Trump gutted the CDC and all its departments and direction. It was part of the Trump cost-cutting plan he promised if elected. The CDC was established under Obama following the Ebola crisis and in an attempt to protect us in the event of a biological attack. It was under the CDC the testing requirements were developed to meet the nation’s demands in the event of a crisis like today but later scrapped. It was under the scrapped plan that developed the 10,000 federal ventilators now available that Trump’s administration, now prides itself on having. Also, the tariffs on China have forced them to sell the medical equipment we now need to other countries who have stockpiled leaving us with nothing.

Where does this leave us now? Should we compare the cost Donald attempted to save by eliminating the CDC to the financial burden we now are faced with? Saving perhaps a half a million dumping the CDC compared to a Trillion or more we now must absorb. A very poor decision, he had no concept of what he was doing. And now Bolton his hatchet man is out for him, unbelievable, with a book he may as a result never release. Would you, after what’s occurred if you were Bolton? Hey, people make mistakes nobody’s perfect but isn’t it now about accountability for the damage he caused?  It’s about accountability for the business that will be lost, the economy and families hurt and loss of confidence in the nation. And we mustn’t fail to mention the loss of life of good people, there’s no price tag on this. Spoils of war I guess? Just old geezers, who cares anyway about them anyway right? How about some compassion.

Now I’m going to tell you I voted for Trump as a die-hard Republican, I’m no lefty. I owned and operated my own business for almost 30 years and was caught up in Donald’s promises for change. I was tired of attempting to survive in a handout country, tired of supporting everyone else, and the struggle. I wanted a leader, who promised to turn things around. I envisioned a businessman with ethics and standards the country was built on. I feel I was let down, the country is more divided now than the ’50s with Jim Crow and the black experience of that time. There is more hatred now than we can ever recall. Wasn’t it  Donald’s responsibility to further the attempts of his predecessors of both parties to bring this nation closer together. He has accomplished nothing only worsened things. He has failed, destroyed years of good work. For a county to be successful it must be together and have good leadership. Requiring a trusted and respected president that expresses his faith in God and confidence in view of all turmoil. Someone that takes ownership, accountability and understands what it is to leave a legacy as well as warrant the respect of his neighbor nations.

So, Mike, I don’t care about China, where this virus originated or finger-pointing it doesn’t matter. I’m just plain disgusted, disappointed our leader isn’t the man I thought he was.  I’m now in my 70s and I am a high risk for the virus. I was also proud to serve this country during the 60s turmoil and I don’t care that trump dodged the draft it means nothing to me. I feel sorry for the armed forces today, how must they feel when they look back from afar at this administration, it’s failed leadership and how their commander ignores the values this nation was built upon. I cannot again vote for a person like Donald Trump, we can not afford another term of this turmoil. In truth, I think he has hurt himself badly, I think it’s caught up with him. I don’t think our country will bring him back. Understand I’m not looking for a fight, I won’t go there, it’s not my style and I respect your knowledge in CL  but please convince me why I should place stock in this man, I would appreciate that.

Disappointed and disgusted, I have to get back to building model airplanes.


Steve, I appreciate much of what you've written here - seriously - but you're way off base in the accuracy or logic of several statements you make.

You write: "The CDC was established under Obama following the Ebola crisis and in an attempt to protect us in the event of a biological attack." The CDC was established in 1946 and functioned quite well while the Racist drug dealer was enjoying his youth.  FACT.

You accuse Trump of gutting the CDC; hopefully you'll realize you've become victim to talking points that simply aren't true.

No nation on earth would be fiscally responsible in trying to prepare for a pandemic of this nature.  Think about it.  Consider the technology we play with every day.  Medical equipment purchased today would probably - with reasonable limits on liability - sell for half as much in two years.  Can you imagine the cost of building and maintaining a hospital system, complete with staff, that would be large enough to be prepared?

It would simply be insanity.

Please read my comments regarding China.  Trump seems to be the ONLY US leader with the guts to change an untenable state of affairs.

Speaking for myself, I DON'T blame only Democrats for where we are - there's plenty of blame to go around.  I DO blame Democrats and the media in general for making RESIST! their mission in life.


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« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2020, 07:53:15 PM »
Ready for the next debacle?

As we all know use of wipes has been a sticking point with many wastewater treatment facilities for some time. The nondegradable wipes do not breakdown as does toilet paper and many facilities have posted shots of what they call monster clogs. The wipes become cemented together with oils and fats that were washed down drains.  They are being called “fatbergs”, and costly to remove. Some have been found as large as a bus. Some municipalities have even filed lawsuits with the companies manufacturing the wipes.

So what's to come?  We all know many will be resorting to paper towels and rags in addition to wipes as they remain available for the cleanup task in the absence of TP. The next alternative paper towels are close to wipes, they don't break down quickly and certainly will cause havoc.

Considering how it's only been a little over a week since the TP scarcity surfaced how long will it take before street sewer lines will become restricted with masses of paper towels? Most insurance companies will cover the consequential clean up resulting from the backup but cost to excavate and repair the line out is generally not a covered peril. Will Washington bail us out? I'm gonna chuckle the day a reporter asks Mike and Donald for a Sewer Line Stimulus" in view of the COVID-19 catastrophe.

Gotta have fun somehow!!

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Don't want to get into the political argument here (I'm an elected non-partisan local official) who has been working with federal, state and local organizations to coordinate  our resources before our healthcare system gets totally overwhelmed by the unchecked exponential spread of this novel coronavirus such as Italy has experienced.   Our state (Minnesota) is one of the milder outbreaks but our governor has taken strong initiative to try to stay ahead of the curve.

In the meantime, my public works folks have had to go to split work shifts, wrecking their family routines to repair our sewers when folks use those 'flushable' wipes and for isolation precautions in case one shift has a member who contracts the virus.

We're still learning about the characteristics of COVID-19 virus.  It does little good to find someone else to blame.  It's here and it's deadly.  Not as deadly as Ebola but far more deadly than our seasonal influenza.   Yes, I've seen comparisons saying we kill 40,000 Americans a year in automobile accidents but this virus can kill that same number in a matter of a few weeks.   Most of us are in the age group who is most at risk.

As much as I abhor the political bantering, I'm more in disgust with the revelers on the Florida beaches who feel invincible or don't care if they contract the virus because nothing should interfere with their right to party.  I had hoped our Typhoid Mary's were a thing of the past.

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I had hoped our Typhoid Mary's were a thing of the past.
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« Reply #73 on: March 20, 2020, 12:37:26 AM »
  You aren't living the reincarnation of East Berlin. I am.

    Brett
Yes, if I understand correctly, you are on mandatory lockdown there in the people's republic of commifornia, especially in the Bay Area.
I don't envy your location.

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« Reply #74 on: March 20, 2020, 12:38:06 AM »
Don't want to get into the political argument here (I'm an elected non-partisan local official) who has been working with federal, state and local organizations to coordinate  our resources before our healthcare system gets totally overwhelmed by the unchecked exponential spread of this novel coronavirus such as Italy has experienced.   Our state (Minnesota) is one of the milder outbreaks but our governor has taken strong initiative to try to stay ahead of the curve.

In the meantime, my public works folks have had to go to split work shifts, wrecking their family routines to repair our sewers when folks use those 'flushable' wipes and for isolation precautions in case one shift has a member who contracts the virus.

We're still learning about the characteristics of COVID-19 virus.  It does little good to find someone else to blame.  It's here and it's deadly.  Not as deadly as Ebola but far more deadly than our seasonal influenza.   Yes, I've seen comparisons saying we kill 40,000 Americans a year in automobile accidents but this virus can kill that same number in a matter of a few weeks.   Most of us are in the age group who is most at risk.

As much as I abhor the political bantering, I'm more in disgust with the revelers on the Florida beaches who feel invincible or don't care if they contract the virus because nothing should interfere with their right to party.  I had hoped our Typhoid Mary's were a thing of the past.

Well said, Steve.  One byproduct of the crisis I'm hoping for is Americans realizing how ridiculous it is strategically for us to depend on the Chinese for anything.  That flaw has no party allegiance.

And, as I approach my 80th birthday, the folks I really feel sorry for are the responsible young people and those whose income is determined on an hourly basis.

A good example: I watched the semi-finals of our Girls High School Basketball State Tournament.  Having been involved in competitive sports for many years, I can't begin to imagine the heartbreak they felt when the finals were cancelled.  After hours and hours, days, weeks, months, years of preparation.

How about the folks who supplement retirement income - or even earn their primary income - taking tickets, selling concessions, cleaning up.  Probably like many here, my Social Security and pension income is secure.  My wife began working from home yesterday, she has a good job that's especially secure now.  So many are not so fortunate, and I feel their pain.

Speaking only for myself, I've had a lot of good fortune in life - I'm personally glad the virus is more likely to take me than it is to take my son, or your son, or a neighbor's son if it has to take anyone.  (That said, I'll only go kicking and screaming ...)


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« Reply #75 on: March 20, 2020, 09:57:45 AM »
Yes, if I understand correctly, you are on mandatory lockdown there in the people's republic of commifornia, especially in the Bay Area.
I don't envy your location.

    I am "exempt" and we are still supposed to do a launch next Thursday, which involves large groups of people in an enclosed area for months.

   But, it is ironic to think that I have worked for this and the other 37 years to defend the American way of life and principles, and the first time we hit a snag, we immediately toss those right out the window, with admiring nods to the Communist Chinese government.

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« Reply #76 on: March 20, 2020, 10:11:38 AM »
Hey Brett tis a pity your ironic or sarcastic remark went over even some conservative heads....if n all ya all think this virus has us spun up, just wait for Nov 3~4.....yer heads are going to absolutely explode no matter what Party is to be inaugurated in Jan 2021
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« Reply #77 on: March 20, 2020, 10:12:20 AM »
     Hey Max, I hope you know you are posting on one if not the most US conservative forms there is. The US modelers for the most part are of the elderly part of our citizens and grew up with good jobs and benefits in the years after WW-2. Most of them think they have enough resources to see themselves get through this terrible time without help and seem to think everyone else should be able to do it or shame on them. They tend to blame everything on the democrats and can only praise the Trump party for where we are at. It will be a rough ride for quite a while but we (US) will come out of this in time, all together in spite of ourselves.
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« Reply #78 on: March 20, 2020, 11:33:20 AM »
Businesses and companies are compensated, so that after this disaster everyone can proceed as quickly as possible.
Everyone here has affordable health insurance $150 a month, USA $ 2000 month)
In the USA 90,000,000 people not insured or under insured.

    You have no concept of what you are talking about. Not one single person in the USA is without health care. If the lowliest bum comes into an ER, they are treated, regardless. What is lacking is someone else to pay for it. An individual pays, or the hospitals just eat the costs. No one goes without urgent care. That was the principle selling point of "Obamacare" - get rid of what the always erudite great thinker Nancy Pelosi continually referred to as "free riders", since everyone always got the necessary care, but bums were not paying for it.

   If you just cover (pay the bills for) everyone with anything (which include elective surgery for things like "gender reassignment" - an outrageously expensive mutilation due to a psychological disorder), it is no longer "insurance", it is shared payement/socialized medicine. So, I no longer get to decide how much risk VS how much coverage for myself, people just *take money from me and give it to perverts and imbeciles for anything they want on a whim*. My total medical costs for the past 58 years is on the order of $3000 (most of which came when I had to go to the ER for a kidney stone). Now, lucky for me, I am covered, and paying for prenatal care, for example. I might not have been willing to pay for that myself, I mean, just because I am a man and almost 60, I think my chances of becoming pregnant is something I am willing to risk paying for myself.


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With the current measures en the EU, there is enough room in the ICs for everyone, if necessary.

   Well,  we know that is not true, Italy's health care system has been overwhelmed, and they are employing exactly the sort of "Death Panels" that Sarah Palin was mercilessly mocked for.  This is the primary example used, by the left, to justify draconian "shelter in place orders". That's the principle behind "flattening the curve" - not to reduce the total number of cases, but to slow the rate of new infection to something the system can handle.


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Measures are communicated between the states across the EU, but customization is possible in each state. ( In the USA on federal level there is not much activity, states care for their self)
Everything is being done to protect vulnerable groups, such as the elderly, or people of frail health, from the virus.
Many retired doctors and nurses have resumed their work without any burocracy.
I my self did the shopping for an older neighbor.
All things considered,the people appreciate the government and our Congress for  the way things are handled, but also the politicians who have put aside their party positions, except for some of the populist far right.
The general feeling is; we are all in the same boat.
But maybe we can also use American solutions;
For example, I read in the newspaper that in a number of places in the USA the stocks of ammo in shops are exhausted, and that people are now buying an assault rifle for the first time in their lives.
That will improve the situation a lot.

  No one is all that worried about maurading bands looking for food. They *are* worried about the casual elimination of their personal liberty - a concept I don't expect you to be capable of understanding.

   We are supposed to be, and are very happy to be, different from the decaying world of Europe. If you want to learn more, you should probably start here:

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript

  Which describes what we are doing, and what sort of old world ideas we are quite intentionally discarding. You might note the 1st amendment discussion of "free assembly", "practice of religion" (both of which are nominally suspended in California right now - but would not withstand a legal challenge) and the 2nd amendment discussion of gun rights. This is not just something some old farts a long time ago came up with off the tops of their heads, it is the highest law of the land. It's also why "shelter in place" is unenforcable governmental overstep.

   I understand that you are in the EU, and have no notion of any of these concepts. Either you can learn them, or not, makes no difference to me. I would suggest that you kindly refrain from judging us, and offering any "helpful opinions" about how stupid we are. We aren't the ones who don't get it - you might want to look up what the "Dunning-Kruger effect" is, and then see if it sounds familiar.

    Brett

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« Reply #80 on: March 20, 2020, 02:04:13 PM »
Brett;

Dunning-Kruger effect; look at your self and think! Try it!
In two months you will spent more than $ 3000.
Keep the blood pressure down.
Keep living as happy as you are now.
Remember you are normal, only different.

Kind regards;

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Max, you're right - you're so full of crap it's not funny, it's simply pathetic.

Exactly who are your borders open to now?  Have the EU authorities told you what hours you must keep yet?


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« Reply #81 on: March 20, 2020, 02:07:06 PM »
Brett;

Dunning-Kruger effect; look at your self and think! Try it!
In two months you will spent more than $ 3000.
Keep the blood pressure down.
Keep living as happy as you are now.
Remember you are normal, only different.

The last thing anyone here needs is a lecture on liberty from a European.

     Brett

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« Reply #82 on: March 20, 2020, 02:10:21 PM »
Things are going very badly in Spain

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-idUSKBN2172KO

No, no, that can't be right!  Max just stated "With the current measures en the EU, there is enough room in the ICs for everyone, if necessary."

Are you living in a fantasy world, Max?


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« Reply #83 on: March 20, 2020, 02:42:43 PM »
Spain and Italy reacted to late, just as you all do.
Face the consequences.

Almost reads as if you're looking forward to any woes we as a Nation will face.


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« Reply #84 on: March 20, 2020, 03:16:28 PM »
Spain and Italy reacted to late, just as you all do.
Face the consequences.

It is true, the current government (socialists + communists ...)  want to pretend it's not happening.

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« Reply #85 on: March 20, 2020, 04:00:39 PM »
Brett;

Dunning-Kruger effect; look at your self and think! Try it!
In two months you will spent more than $ 3000.
Keep the blood pressure down.
Keep living as happy as you are now.
Remember you are normal, only different.

Kind regards;
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Max,

As a great American once said, "You can't handle the Truth!"  Your nonsensical responses to all of us make it clear that discussing anything with you is like attempting to teach a pig to sing.  All you do is waste your time and annoy the pig.

So, Max be happy with the mess that the EU and its borderless globalism have created except for Hungary and Poland and now the UK who have locked down their borders from the first.  We in American will conquer this latest unseen enemy and then help the rest of the world after we take care of Americans first as we should.
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« Reply #86 on: March 20, 2020, 04:03:13 PM »
Here is message for Max and every other non citizen of this country.  We don't give a damn how you do it in Europe.  Period.  DO NOT come on this forum and try to lecture us about anything.  Your ignorance is only surpassed by your gross stupidity.   We saved your asses during WW2 and have bailed you out on numerous occasions.  You want to talk about model planes, fine but don't come on here and be arrogant pricks.  I am so tired of this crap. 

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« Reply #87 on: March 20, 2020, 04:43:20 PM »
Spain and Italy reacted to late, just as you all do.
Face the consequences.

You sleep tight.
We'll protect you.
Again.

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« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2020, 04:44:12 PM »
The last thing anyone here needs is a lecture on liberty from a European.

     Brett

Well stated.

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« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2020, 04:52:32 PM »
We saved your asses during WW2 and have bailed you out on numerous occasions. 


   Forget about WW2, everything since is enough. The existence of the EU would not be possible without financing and defense from Uncle Sugar. They create "international" organizations like the IMF and NATO to cover the fact that they are backing their dump trucks up to the US Treasury. "Just shut up and give us the money!"

  On the other hand, their superior experience with the formation of socialist police states cannot be denied, particularly the Germans. They turned the Gestapo into the Stasi and didn't miss a beat. Angela Merkel even worked for the Stasi in a minor position.

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« Reply #90 on: March 20, 2020, 05:58:30 PM »
As a relief from the political give and take I'd like to share a url from the John Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering that I've been monitoring since I discovered it a week ago.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

This site provides world wide data as to the spread and density of reported infections, recovered and death numbers across the globe.  It is updated several times a day and is comprehensive in its coverage.  The one thing I'd like to suggest that isn't addressed in the site (that I've found) is that the numbers are "as reported" and in many(most?) cases at this point probably reflect other than "new" cases--i.e. existing cases that have come to be known...the USA as a case in point.  I encourage those interested in following the development of caronavirus infections to give it a looksee.  Play with clicking on the various elements to get an idea of the variety of data which can be illustrated.

My only comment pertinent to the "dialogues" in this thread is that a glance at the European countries from which President Trump acted to restrict travel early on have levels of infection that make his decision sound quite appropriate. 

Also of interest is the current state of China vis a vis total infections, deaths and recovery.  As of the time I type this China has a total of 81,250 confirmed cases; 3,253 deaths; and 71,266 recovered.  (The death total is a small fraction of the 1.4 billion Chinese in the country, by the way).  The combined deaths + recoveries equals only 10,000 fewer lives than the total number of confirmed cases...which implies that the country is well on its way to recovery...assuming the reports from there are accurate.

At any rate, give it a glance and see what you think.  Food for discussion, for sure.

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Reference material attached ...

Never let the truth or facts get in the way of a good lie. The hatred of the USA and the President are pathological.  I refuse to sit back and let the media, Democrats, and George Soros and the Chinese Communist Party drive the narrative.
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This is close to 12 min. Try to watch till the end.
   

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« Reply #94 on: March 20, 2020, 08:41:01 PM »
Here is message for Max and every other non citizen of this country.  We don't give a damn how you do it in Europe.  Period.  DO NOT come on this forum and try to lecture us about anything.  Your ignorance is only surpassed by your gross stupidity.   We saved your asses during WW2 and have bailed you out on numerous occasions.  You want to talk about model planes, fine but don't come on here and be arrogant pricks.  I am so tired of this crap. 

Mike

Mike I think if you look at real history books (the ones without all the pictures) you'll find that the French financed and won the Revolutionary War on behalf of the rather disorganized continental states.  Perhaps you're not aware of the enormous contribution that the European's in general made to the foundation of the USA? Also I think that you'll find that most scholars agree that the Soviets made the biggest contribution to victory in WW2 of all the Allies. You're sounding very much like a Monty Python skit, "what have the Europeans ever done for us?" I see that someone has already mentioned the Dunning Kruger effect, Paranoia and Xenophobia.

In view of the recent leadership shenanigans in your country, it may be better if your Government detains the Clown in Chief, and humbly apologize to Her Majesty for the past insult to good King George the 3rd.  She make take you up again as a colony if you're lucky.

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« Reply #95 on: March 20, 2020, 10:00:30 PM »
Mike I think if you look at real history books (the ones without all the pictures) you'll find that the French financed and won the Revolutionary War on behalf of the rather disorganized continental states.  Perhaps you're not aware of the enormous contribution that the European's in general made to the foundation of the USA? Also I think that you'll find that most scholars agree that the Soviets made the biggest contribution to victory in WW2 of all the Allies. You're sounding very much like a Monty Python skit, "what have the Europeans ever done for us?" I see that someone has already mentioned the Dunning Kruger effect, Paranoia and Xenophobia.

In view of the recent leadership shenanigans in your country, it may be better if your Government detains the Clown in Chief, and humbly apologize to Her Majesty for the past insult to good King George the 3rd.  She make take you up again as a colony if you're lucky.

As I said before, never let the truth or facts get in the way of a good lie!  Straight out of Marx! Lenin, Alinsky,and Soros handbooks of disinformation. 

We the USA provided most of the war materials and weapons for Stalin through the Atlantic covoys and Murmansk.  Sherman tanks, P-39s, P-40s, P-63s, B-25s, Dodge trucks, and the list goes on.

The French only came in later when Washington began beating the Redcoats. Their best contribution was the Marquis De Lafayette, one of Washington's best Generals.

And as far as the U.K. goes, Churchill and King George V enthusiastically welcomed the USA fighting the Nazis and the Japanese Empire in Ww II and freeing Europe from Tyranny.

So, get your history right or quit acting like an expert.
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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #96 on: March 20, 2020, 10:35:16 PM »
Mike I think if you look at real history books (the ones without all the pictures) you'll find that the French financed and won the Revolutionary War on behalf of the rather disorganized continental states.  Perhaps you're not aware of the enormous contribution that the European's in general made to the foundation of the USA? Also I think that you'll find that most scholars agree that the Soviets made the biggest contribution to victory in WW2 of all the Allies. You're sounding very much like a Monty Python skit, "what have the Europeans ever done for us?" I see that someone has already mentioned the Dunning Kruger effect, Paranoia and Xenophobia.

In view of the recent leadership shenanigans in your country, it may be better if your Government detains the Clown in Chief, and humbly apologize to Her Majesty for the past insult to good King George the 3rd.  She make take you up again as a colony if you're lucky.

    I have read the history books. As I recall, we were so appreciative of Lafayette's help during the American Revolution, that Co. Charles Stanton declared in a speech on July 4th, 1917,  " Lafayette, we are here!" we helped drive out the Germans from France during WW-1. Then, when the French couldn't put up a fight again in '38 and '39, we went in and drove the Germans back out again at great cost . You can see part of the price we paid at the cemeteries above the Normandy beaches. And as far as contributions to the WW-2 war effort, I have only two words for you, Lend-Lease. Russia paid a higher price in loss of life during the war, and you have to admire them for the stand that they took to to repel the German advance and managing to keep their own industrial war efforts alive during the same time. Far, far, far more effort than the French ever gave. But they did it with more or less substandard technology compared to what was being produced in the US in addition to what they were given by the US in Lend-Lease. Then after the war, in an attempt to try an catch up, they more or less copied US advances. They had some stuff on the ball of their own, no doubt about it, though, and again, you have to admire and respect their willingness to fight to the last man, woman and child. And along the way, in both world wars, we kind of helped  Great Britain out also. So, in short, I think old Uncle Sam has paid back Lafayette in spades, and the contributions from Europe in the early days of this country were in their populations heading to the New World in droves to escape taxes, tyranny, oppression and famine. People are still flocking to this country even today and that may be part of the problem, we are letting too many of them in. Perhaps they should show the same courage and fortitude our fore fathers showed and right the wrongs in their own country, instead of gracing our shores with their hands out when the arrive. I don't mean  to paint all immigrants with a broad brush. I have worked with many hard working and grateful immigrants in my working career, but I have also had to deal with the exact opposite also from them.
  A look at the map that Ted posted and a watch of the video that Tony posted are also very insightful.
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« Reply #97 on: March 20, 2020, 10:53:02 PM »
Would you trust the media.

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Re: Compared to what? - talk of the virus
« Reply #98 on: March 20, 2020, 10:54:19 PM »
Mike I think if you look at real history books (the ones without all the pictures) you'll find that the French financed and won the Revolutionary War on behalf of the rather disorganized continental states.  Perhaps you're not aware of the enormous contribution that the European's in general made to the foundation of the USA? Also I think that you'll find that most scholars agree that the Soviets made the biggest contribution to victory in WW2 of all the Allies. You're sounding very much like a Monty Python skit, "what have the Europeans ever done for us?" I see that someone has already mentioned the Dunning Kruger effect, Paranoia and Xenophobia.

In view of the recent leadership shenanigans in your country, it may be better if your Government detains the Clown in Chief, and humbly apologize to Her Majesty for the past insult to good King George the 3rd.  She make take you up again as a colony if you're lucky.
It is rare that I let a post get to me but yours did.  I have no clue how old you are and you obviously have not read the part about using your name.  I learned the history of WWII from my father and his two brothers who were there.  In summary, you are full of crap. This site is for the promotion of Stunt and it is rare that we get into politics.  Nothing will kill a thread quicker than posts like yours.  I would never consider insulting a culture that you obviously do not understand.

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« Reply #99 on: March 20, 2020, 11:04:39 PM »
   Well, there is one way that you can tell how sweeping an issue is, and that is by knowing some one that is affected by it personally, or being affected by it yourself. I don't think I have read on here of anyone having the virus, or knowing some one who does. I don't think I had the virus, but I was pretty much sick as a dog from the middle of January until this past week. I missed two days of work along the way. And today, I got laid off from my job for three weeks due to slow business, and the company owner wanting to give us the opportunity to stay at home and avoid contracting the virus. I had all the symptoms of the virus, but when I was at my sickest, they weren't even talking about this yet. There was the usual flu bug going around, and my older brother ( in his 70's) spent a night and a day in the hospital with a "lung infection." I have had pneumonia before and I'm sure I had a touch of it again. Makes me wonder if I picked up something from him?  Could a whole lot f people had this and never got diagnosed? If you contract the virus and you are of normally good health, you just get a real bad cold like symptoms. If they weren't looking for Covid19, they never would have diagnosed it. Possibly what is going on in the higher concentration of cases areas?? I have said it before, I don't necessarily think this thing has spread, it was already here in some form. Lots of cases out there that the patient didn't travel, come in contact with anyone who did. I don't socialize outside of the hobby much, no bar scene nor do I eat out a lot. There has been no one at work sick like I was either for the last two months. Makes me wonder.
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