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Anyone need a BearCat? F8F-1
« on: April 30, 2006, 01:49:58 PM »
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Re: Anyone need a BearCat? F8F-1
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2006, 03:27:58 PM »
Ty,

Maybe Darrel Greenameyer could use one?  He needs to get those Lockheed Skunk Works Engineers doing something useful again?

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Re: Anyone need a BearCat? F8F-1
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2006, 07:10:15 PM »
I believe Conquest 1 now resides in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum and is preserved with all of the racing modifications and paint scheme.

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Re: Anyone need a BearCat? F8F-1
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2006, 07:47:24 AM »
Ty,

Yes, crashing and buring up in one is no fun.  That happened to a good friend
of mine - Walter E. "Bud" Fountain of Modesto, CA sometime around 1978 in
a race.  He made the mistake of trying to slip it in for a landing and the
controls burned out of it before he got it onto the ground.

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Re: Anyone need a BearCat? F8F-1
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2006, 04:36:41 PM »
Hello Jim,
I witnessed Bud's 1973 Mojave accident and I think you may have been confusing the earlier Bearcat accident involving N5005 flown by owner Mike Geren at San Diego in 1971. I actually witnessed both.

Bud's Bearcat finished the Saturday heat race at Mojave and started a climb towards the east. He was in a shallow climb away from the runway and and my position. The airplane burst into flame after a short period of emitting dense black smoke. The airplane shortly thereafter arced abruptly nose down in an outside push-over and continued almost vertically into the ground. There was no pull up or change in downline after the push-over. My Dad theorized that Bud was trying to blow the fire out with a high speed power off dive to the deck where he might land. Frank Sanders disagreed and thought that the prop regulator oversped and that the prop ran away and oversped the engine to a catastrophic failure, inducing the fire.

In any case the Bearcat doesn't have a comprehensive firewall, and has many places for fire to penetrate the cockpit. In both the 1971 Geren accident and the 1973 Fountain accident the pilots lung tissue was found to contain soot or burns. In both of these cases the pilots were wearing masks and breathing oxygen, so the fires were very fast developing and severe. Lyle Shelton held a theory that the fire exploded the oxygen in their masks by penetrating some part of the system.

The racing Bearcat of Lyle Shelton has a highly mofified firewall with a layer of protective fireproofing material over the entire face of the structural former that makes up the front wing spar and forward fuselage former. This has also reduced fumes and heat entering to a degree.

The Bearcat and Tigercat are a departure from the Grumman "Ironworks" design philosophy made so famous by the Wildcat and Hellcat. They are designed with low empty weight as the first order of importance. The Bearcat is a very flexible airframe and the wing is lightly built, to the point of using much lighter materials towards the tips to ensure they would shed before the an overall failure would occur. Later in the airplanes life span it's strength would be questioned by the Navy and Grumman added a spar strap installed on airplanes over a certain flight time accumulation.
The Tigercat is also built very lightly for it's size and several inflight airframe failures caused it's retirement from aerial firefighting in the late 60's.

I have always wanted to fly both, and still want to. The Bearcat is always described as a delight. Now, how to make the two mil in desposable income.

Chris... 

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Re: Anyone need a BearCat? F8F-1
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2006, 07:29:39 PM »
Chris,

Thanks for the info about Bud's crash.  Our infomation in Modesto mostly came from
his "Wife" (I think?)  they went together for a long time and I'm not to sure if they were actually married at that time.  I guess someone looking from a different angle thought there was some kind of slipping involved, but who knows what you'll do if you are on fire!
I saw a picture of the plane in the paper that must have been shortly before the pushover and it did look a little bit like he was trying to keep some flame away from the cockpit.  Oh well, the only person who knows what he was doing is Bud and he's not aroud to explain...

Jim Pollock   :'(

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Re: Anyone need a BearCat? F8F-1
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2006, 01:01:04 PM »
Hi Jim,

Someone viewing the crash from a different angle might see some differences but the airplane was at least 3 miles from the crowd line which paralelled the runway most used, in which it was headed away. The airplane could have been uncoordinated in it's change from level flight to it's rapid descent, most likely by GP from the huge prop uncorrected by an otherwise occupied pilot. The airplane was never in position to land or at a speed consistent with an attempt to land. It descended at very high speed.

I heard that Bud's wife is still active in some aviation business and was asking about photos and a scale model of the Bearcat on another website I visit. I took this as a sign that the good of those times were paramount in her thoughts, and pain had subsided. It takes a long time, I know.

Chris.. 

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Re: Anyone need a BearCat? F8F-1
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2006, 05:44:24 PM »
Chris,

I think she is still at least one of the prime owners of Hawke Dusters or it's descendant.

Jim Pollock


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