Aircraft Identification.

[Norm Faith Jr.]

Not exactly control line, but airplane related. I figured there has to be someone on here that can identify this aircraft. A friend of mine posted a picture of it...it's mounted on a stand at a furniture company in Poplar Bluff, Mo. At first glance I thought it was a FH-1 Phantom, but the shape of the wing chord is wrong. To say the least...I'm stumped.
Norm

[paw080]

Why Norm, that's a Temco TT Pinto primary flight trainer. I built a Eagle's Talon 1/72 vacuform model of

one about 15(?) years ago.

Tony G 

[Dan McEntee]

   I'll agree with that diagnosis. Kind of a rare airplane. Berkeley kitted a model of it, and so did Telasco, I think, for Jetex power. I think there was even a stunt model in Flying Models in the 60's. Easy to understand why it might have been mistaken for a FH-1 Phantom, but the Phantom was bigger by quite a bit. I might have to take a road trip down that way to check it out.
   Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee

[Norm Faith Jr.]

Why Norm, that's a Temco TT Pinto primary flight trainer. I built a Eagle's Talon 1/72 vacuform model of

one about 15(?) years ago.

Tony G 

Yep! You are right. Only 15 of them ever built. I wasn't familiar with it. Thanks, I knew someone would identify it. Good eye! 
Norm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temco_TT_Pinto

[Tim Wescott]

https://outerzone.co.uk/search/results.asp?keyword=Temco

The way the rulz are written around here, you could build the stunt model with slight modifications to the cowl and attention to detail in the tail boom, fly it in Classic, then take the cowl off and fly it in Profile.

[Trostle]

   I'll agree with that diagnosis. Kind of a rare airplane. Berkeley kitted a model of it, and so did Telasco, I think, for Jetex power. I think there was even a stunt model in Flying Models in the 60's. Easy to understand why it might have been mistaken for a FH-1 Phantom, but the Phantom was bigger by quite a bit. I might have to take a road trip down that way to check it out.
   Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee

The semi scale model of the Temco TT-1 was in the May 59 issue of Flying Models.  This one has been on my Classic bucket list for a while.  Small - 52" span, 480sq in.  15% wing.  Aft fuselage is just a 1" thick balsa boom - will need to be stiffened with carbon somehow.  Plans show a Fox .35 mounted upright in a "conventional" nose..  3-views in Air Progress a long time ago.  Built light, it should be a fun airplane to fly.

I have the full size plans from the Berkeley kit.  1" = 1' scale, so kind of small - 30 " span and 30" long.  As Dan said, it was for one of the larger Jetex motors for free flight.

Keith

[Bruce Shipp]

The Pinto lost out to the Cessna T-37 for the USAF primary trainer contract of the day.

[john e. holliday]

I too always wanted to build the one in Flying Models, but keep getting side tracked.

[Tim Wescott]

...  Aft fuselage is just a 1" thick balsa boom - will need to be stiffened with carbon somehow.  ...

You need to approach it with the right attitude.  On the plans from Outerzone, if you carefully measure to the inside of the lines on the plan, it's 3/4", which makes it profile legal in the Pacific Northwest...

I fully agree on the need for carbon fiber.  You can get braided CF sleeves from various places, that puts the grain of the fibers exactly where they need to be for a torsionally rigid boom.  Probably want to make a core of the lightest balsa you can find, and make nice with someone who can help you vacuum bag the thing.  See http://www.cstsales.com/carbon_braid.html for an example of the sleeving.

[Trostle]

https://outerzone.co.uk/search/results.asp?keyword=Temco

The way the rulz are written around here, you could build the stunt model with slight modifications to the cowl and attention to detail in the tail boom, fly it in Classic, then take the cowl off and fly it in Profile.

It might be a stretch to fly it in Profile.  Sort of depends on how the local rules define a "profile legal" model.  The Flying Models TT-1 essentially has a "full built up fuselage" from the nose to the TE of the wing.  The fuselage cross section at the wing LE is circular with a 2" diameter and maintains a circular cross section that reduces to 1" in diameter at the wing TE.

If the local rules would allow it, this would be a neat airplane for profile.  Even if not used for a profile, it is still a neat looking model.

Keith

[Tim Wescott]

It might be a stretch to fly it in Profile.  Sort of depends on how the local rules define a "profile legal" model.  The Flying Models TT-1 essentially has a "full built up fuselage" from the nose to the TE of the wing.  The fuselage cross section at the wing LE is circular with a 2" diameter and maintains a circular cross section that reduces to 1" in diameter at the wing TE.

If the local rules would allow it, this would be a neat airplane for profile.  Even if not used for a profile, it is still a neat looking model.

Keith

The rules around here say 3/4" wide from the TE back.  I was figuring that I could make the boom a bit narrower than a strict interpretation of the plan would suggest and still be in the spirit of the event for Classic.

(Part of my plan involves appealing to the width of the lines on the plan -- which on the Outerzone version are fairly thick.  If you hold your mouth just right and measure from inner edge to inner edge it's almost sorta kinda only 3/4").

Even if I couldn't get away with it for profile, I still want to build it for Classic.

[Scott Richlen]

So, who was JE Wells?  Anyone know him?  Does he still fly?