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Offline John Desrosiers

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aero gloss dope
« on: April 05, 2012, 04:40:41 PM »
I need all the info that I can get on this stuff. Wing will be ultracoat. every thing else will be aero gloss. pros and cons. please.

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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2012, 05:42:47 PM »
Aero Gloss is my favorite dope. 
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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2012, 05:44:33 PM »
Yes its the orange and black can.

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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2012, 06:32:29 PM »
Aerogloss is my favorite too but the environmentalist wackos stopped that.
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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2012, 07:01:18 PM »
Did it do anything to the red ants?
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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2012, 07:09:17 PM »
Aerogloss is my favorite too but the environmentalist wackos stopped that.

Ditto.  It's my understanding that the same tree-hugging wackos killed K&B SuperPoxy.
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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2012, 08:01:03 PM »
I did a refinish on a 60s FAI team racer with the "new" Aerogloss.  Looked fine until it fully cured then it cracked and crazed, looks like S**T!.  I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

IMO, use Brodak or Randolph, (Same stuff, I think)
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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2012, 08:02:03 PM »
Tree-hugging wackos are often given the blame for business incompetence.  A giveaway is when the same chemicals are still available from a different source.  Klass Kote is apparently equivalent to K&B Superpoxy, which I still use from my 30-year-old stash.  I doubt if Aero Gloss had a secret ingredient that caused only it to be banned.  I'll bet the equivalent is still around somewhere.  I'd like to find it.  Mind you, the THWs may have prevailed in Los Angeles, where these products were made, and where there was an air-quality problem.  I tried looking for Pactra. I figure some old-timer there might remember Aero Gloss and give me the formula.  

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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2012, 07:18:48 AM »
Aerogloss contained MEK and it a controlled chemical now. You use to be able to by TSP (Trisodium Phosphate)(cleaner) in the grocery store for 23 cents a box now it even hard to find in the hardware store. We owe a big thanks to the Waco's for protecting us.

Next it will be lead tire weights I guess we could use clay.

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here's the deal don't eat paint huff paint or eat fishing weights or wheel weights You know commen sense @#$%. Dah I guess I need proctiction from my self cause I am too stupid to do this.
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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2012, 09:59:20 AM »
Ditto.  It's my understanding that the same tree-hugging wackos killed K&B SuperPoxy.


I had lunch with Bob Palmer at his home in Arleta near Burbank shortly before he moved to his daughter's place in Montana.  I remember all of the magazine ads showing Bob holding one of his Thunderbirds for an Aero-Gloss ad on the inside front cover.  During this lunch Bob told me that he never actually used Aero-Gloss as he much preferred Randolph butyrate dope.  That from a many-time champion who did beautiful finishes.
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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2012, 05:28:30 PM »
You can still get large fishing sinkers and melt them down or hammer them to fit whatever is needed.

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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2012, 11:19:29 AM »
I think I,ll pass on the aerogloss. Thanks for the info very much.

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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2012, 02:11:50 PM »
John,

That is a very good decision.
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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2012, 03:02:57 PM »
If you have clear, I'll buy it (if it's cheap).  I like it.
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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2012, 03:09:24 PM »
Its gone. It went into the trash today

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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2012, 03:23:04 PM »
That is a very good decision.

John, I think you are getting some bad advice.  Chuck lives in a part of the country where they don't give appearance points at stunt contests.  Having a good finish is thought to be putting on airs.  Naturally, he gravitates toward materials that yield finishes that won't hurt other flyers' self esteem.  Here in the West, where the models and the modelers look good, is where you'll see your Aero Gloss finishes.
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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2012, 03:25:17 PM »
Its gone. It went into the trash today

Boo hoo.  At least you'll have some nice, shiny, good-smelling (I like the smell, too) trash.
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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2012, 05:45:27 PM »
Howard,

If I find a ca-she of Aero Gloss orange and black label aero gloss. I am sure I'll let you know. Your comment about Stunt Contests in the southeast is uncalled for. Why did you make such a statement?

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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2012, 05:53:04 PM »

I don't remember any fuel-proofing problems with Aero Gloss when I was a kid.  None of this catalyzed auto topcoat to keep a dope finish from melting under cold fuel drops.
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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2012, 05:55:51 PM »
If you have clear, I'll buy it (if it's cheap).  I like it.

I have 2 quarts unopened no thinner
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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2012, 11:59:41 PM »
Your comment about Stunt Contests in the southeast is uncalled for. Why did you make such a statement?

Pure orneriness.
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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2012, 03:58:22 AM »
Howard

LOL I can live with that VD~

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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2012, 04:02:50 AM »
Pure orneriness.

Howard is correct. Here on the west coast, we Cherish our appearance points and take pride in our mirror finishes.

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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2012, 09:06:54 AM »
Howard is correct. Here on the west coast, we Cherish our appearance points and take pride in our mirror finishes.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

Larry,

Why are you posting at 3 am - are you having trouble ironing that "mirror finish" around the wingtips??? Nyuk, nyuk.
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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2012, 09:25:39 AM »
I have a number of bottles of various ages of Aerogloss color if anyone is looking for a particular color.  I also have about a gallon of red label clear which looks like coffee.  I haven't figured out whether I am going to give them to my neighbor who has a burn barrel or sneak them into the trash.

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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2012, 12:50:47 AM »
Larry,

Why are you posting at 3 am - are you having trouble ironing that "mirror finish" around the wingtips??? Nyuk, nyuk.

MMMMMM Wise guy eh.

3:00 AM ? Poker night !!!  I gotta pay for that new Aero Tiger.

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Re: aero gloss dope
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2012, 02:47:00 AM »
Palko got 19 points using conventional model airplane dope. Windy hit 20 points more than once, using available model airplane dope. In any case, I thought the new high point planes were using automotive finishes. Klass Kote is compatible with Hobby Poxy and the K an B stuff. Which means that whatever the chemicals used are, enough of them are still legal to make a round and round paint. It's still possible to buy epoxy two part paint from Petit, the corporation that made Hobby Poxy. They make if for boats. I suspect they killed Hobby Poxy because the model airplane market wasn't large enough to make a significant profit. The market place killed off the paint. That should make our in-house libertarians cackle with pride.


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