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2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« on: July 19, 2024, 08:35:09 AM »
I suspect many of you have already heard, but it is certainly true: AMA is getting the L-Pad and the McCool Racing pad re-paved right now! Yes,: re-PAVED, not just crack-filled and seal-coated!

Will be finished and circles repainted within the next week or so.

The Speed pad (Site 2) has been crack-filled and seal-coated.

With the large black cloud that exists to organize the upcoming World Championships, this silver lining has appeared!
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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2024, 08:40:46 AM »
The Site 2 crack-repair and seal-coating is complete as well. Word has it that this will be addressed later.
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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2024, 08:57:31 AM »
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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2024, 01:38:45 PM »
So no more blaming that bounce on the paving.

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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2024, 01:51:03 PM »
So no more blaming that bounce on the paving.

  You underestimate us, sir! I can blame my failures on a myriad of external factors beyond just the pavement.  It's an important skill to learn.

     And, seriously, even when it was smooth, you actually did have to watch where you landed WRT the crown of the pavement, on the upslope of the crown it made it much more prone to bouncing. So there was about 2 90 degree segments of the circle you wanted to avoid touching down.
 
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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2024, 07:34:56 AM »
Paving the L-pad right now!
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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2024, 12:59:14 PM »
When they get the new paving done, will they dig trenches across it next year to put in water lines, cable TV or sewer lines? That's what always happens in most cities, so I'm just checking to see if there's some sort of law requiring that.  ;) Steve
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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2024, 05:07:11 PM »
  You underestimate us, sir! I can blame my failures on a myriad of external factors beyond just the pavement.  It's an important skill to learn.

     And, seriously, even when it was smooth, you actually did have to watch where you landed WRT the crown of the pavement, on the upslope of the crown it made it much more prone to bouncing. So there was about 2 90 degree segments of the circle you wanted to avoid touching down.
 
     Brett\

OMG!!!!!  I didn't know that!!!! No wonder I didn't win all those Nats I didn't wind!  I landed in the wrong place! 

KIDDINGGGGGGG!!!!

Oh....I see now...I was trying to WIND!!! not WIN!  no wonder!!!!  Double kidding!!! although I wasn't ever aware of the "crown"!  Bret should'a told me...who knows?????

DOUBLE JOKE!!!!

Ted   


PS Old min with nothing to do have to make up for it somehow...right????

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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2024, 07:55:51 PM »
Hope they roll that .( compact it . )  Nothing but the best .

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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2024, 08:04:49 PM »
I thought the crown came from Burger King! If you don't want to land on it, just pick it up before you fly. You Rule!

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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2024, 09:47:58 PM »
Hope they roll that .( compact it . )  Nothing but the best .

   That's the parking lot. The picture is from the southwest side of the parking lot looking up toward the "pagoda" and the L-pad beyond. The dump trucks with the presumed blacktop are driving onto the pad through the access road near Circle 1.

     Bill or Mark Weiss might know, but I think the idea is to remove 4" of the existing pavement (probably while grinding it),  fix cracks in what is left, fill as necessary, then pave over it with two 2" layers of new blacktop.

      Presumably the blacktop mix is like it was previously, which was pretty stiff. The very original pavement was like a tennis court, mostly sand as fill, and *extremely soft*, to the point that even leaving a full gallon can of fuel left a grove around the bottom, the pull testers sank into the ground, and it emitted asphalt/tar every hot day*. That had been replaced quite a while ago, the current surface has been OK except for the cracks, and has been repaired and sealed several times.

     The TR circle appears to have the same tennis court stuff in 2004, and was really in poor shape, and as far as have been able to make out, is also getting repaved as part of the deal for the WC. I read in an email or text that it's the same people in charge of repaving the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, which while it was *extremely problematic" for Indycar and NASCAR until it wore in for a while,  would be ideal for model airplanes. We'll see how fast it wears out Dave Brown "Lectra-Lite" foam wheels!

     Brett

*after the first few years, it also got very "lumpy" and uneven. I was rolling along for takeoff on Circle 2 in 96 or 97, perfectly normal takeoff, ran down into the (nearly invisible) hollow, the landing gear compressed enough, and I hit and destroyed the prop with the fuselage completely level. Had to run in tether car mode and then ran it off into the grass on the north side.

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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2024, 09:49:06 PM »
I thought the crown came from Burger King! If you don't want to land on it, just pick it up before you fly. You Rule!

    Those commercials have gone from clever, to increasingly awful forced rhymes, to "shoot the TV" annoying in pretty short order!

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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2024, 12:09:58 AM »
I thought the crown came from Burger King! If you don't want to land on it, just pick it up before you fly. You Rule!

He’s the king now, but he’s judging this year.
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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2024, 11:58:16 AM »
OMG!!!!!  I didn't know that!!!! No wonder I didn't win all those Nats I didn't wind!  I landed in the wrong place! 

KIDDINGGGGGGG!!!!

Oh....I see now...I was trying to WIND!!! not WIN!  no wonder!!!!  Double kidding!!! although I wasn't ever aware of the "crown"!  Bret should'a told me...who knows?????

DOUBLE JOKE!!!!

Ted   


PS Old min with nothing to do have to make up for it somehow...right????

  Old men? You were the one that told me about it in the first place!  "It" being the crown of the circle, and, of course, being able to complain about literally anything, like one year where were complaining that the "air was too good" on Top 20 day!  Of course at the time I was a callow youth.

   I do recall you doing a perfect landing, rolling 3/4 lap, then winding up 4 feet in the air, upwind, with nearly zero groundspeed, but that was "the wind" and/or evil spirits. We ended up finishing 1-2 for the week, so I guess it wasn't all that devastating.

    Brett
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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2024, 07:56:06 PM »
"  it's the same people in charge of repaving the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, "

You'll have to watch out , at turn four , then .    ;)

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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2024, 08:26:06 PM »
I want to thank Bob Hunt for recognizing this project took a lot of work to get to the point of actualization. Those of us who made this happen don't need medals or honors but a few "Thank You's" would not kill anyone. Considering we represent about 5% of AMA membership, the vote of confidence from the AMA Executive Committee is a giant step forward in our improving partnership with AMA leadership.


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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2024, 09:44:38 PM »
For those of you who don't 'do' the FB thing:

Work has progressed nicely. This picture sent from Chad Budreau, AMA Executive Director, shows the L-Pad where The U.S. PA NATs and the WChamps F2B events will be flown. New pavement, newly painted circles.

In the background you can see the McCool site where the AMA CL Racing and the WChamps F2C event will be flown. Equipment still there, paving is complete (or nearly so), all fresh lines painted soon.

The site is also used for RC Aerobatics and the 'Arrow' lines are for their use. If you look closely, you will see people on the ground with a transit, sighting to pylons far to the north.
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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2024, 09:53:28 PM »
In the background you can see the McCool site where the AMA CL Racing and the WChamps F2C event will be flown. Equipment still there, paving is complete (or nearly so), all fresh lines painted soon.



   I see they had to take down the fence at the TR circles - I wondered how they could do it otherwise.

   Brett

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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2024, 06:48:24 AM »
Fantastic!!! Thanks to everyone who made it happen! No excuses on takeoffs and landings in a couple weeks for me  LL~
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2024, 04:41:02 PM »
The finished product looks great!

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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2024, 08:19:00 PM »
Wow, can't wait to try out the circles!  Won't be long now.  Thanks to all who made it happen.
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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2024, 08:24:47 PM »
  I haven't been to Muncie in a long time. How secure is entry to the grounds?  My biggest worry is that Ol' Bubba and some of his buddies will get liquored up and go turn some donuts on this stretch of black gold!! Or his brother Junior will want to try out the new slicks on his hotrod Camaro!! I've seen it happen around here!! All those truck loads of asphalt attract a lot of attention along with the smell and there are guys just looking for that!! I would put armed guards around it until the NATS!!

   When they finished the banked oval across the river from St. Louis, they hired the "PHD of Asphalt" from Indy that they touted as the guy who oversaw the repaving of the Speedway and of Daytona I think. It was kind of a rush job to get it finished before the first race on it which was Indy cars in May of that year, but he supposedly blessed it for that event. Then there was a NASCAR Bush series race on it later that summer under a hot sun, and it started to come up in chunks. That was 1997 I think, and since then I think it has been repaved at least once, not long after it had been opened, and that has held up well and drivers tend to like the oddball, egg shaped track with tighter turns #3 & #4 than #1 and #2. it's a drivers track and you have to work for what you get!!

     We had the square pad at Buder repaved 5 or 6 years ago with a 2" thick overlay because it had sunk down so far, especially on the north side, that it turned into a giant puddle when it rained. the surface wasn't that bad after about 25 or 30 years and several sealings, but we couldn't get it to drain and still be safe to walk around. The Park department regraded the area along that side several years before, and eliminated the natural drainage that had always been there, and filled in a French drain ( a shallow trench with large rock in it to prevent erosion ) that was by the east circle, and then water has no where to go in a heavy rain. These days, if there is a heavy rain, the whole control line site gets like a swimming pool, and it never used to do that. The deal with the Parks Department was that if the main organizing body of local clubs (GSLMA) would pay for the materials, they would have Country crews do the work. The Parks department was very tight lipped about when the work would be done, and a long time passed when they suddenly did it. I went by that evening or the next day, and I was shocked at what I saw!! You all, I'm sure know what fresh laid asphalt looks like (flat black ) and what it smells like. What we got was several shades of gray and I could not smell any odor like fresh asphalt!! They had used all reground material from some other project and was not mixed with virgin material at all, was put down cold and rolled with a sidewalk roller!! The roller wasn't equipped with anything to keep it clean while rolling and gravel accumulates on the edges and there were groves from that along one side. there was no compression of the aggregate at all. you could see the gravel clearly, and you could stand a quarter in the cracks around the gravel at almost any point and the top of Washington's head would disappear!! I convinced the members of the club that this was about as crappy a job as could be done, at the price of around $15,000, but figuring there would be no way that it would be redone, we spent the extra money to seal it before cooler weather moved it. It started to crack that first year and we sealed the whole pad again a year or two after that and that's all that's holding it together. It looks OK, but is starting to crack more. it wouldn't be that way if done correctly. The original square pad was done correctly!! No one knows who ordered it, at least I couldn't find out at the time. it was a donut circle before that. Sean and I went down to fly one evening and it was all excavated out into a square, and was pretty deep!! The Parks department had been trying to hold concerts and festivals there around that time and my first thought was some sort f parking lot, but way too small. The next trip there saw it graded out, and about 6 or 8 inches of compacted gravel was put down. The next trip saw a 4 inch layer of asphalt laid down east to west but wasn't rolled very smooth with lots of ridges, and i was concerned about that!! Then the next trip had the last layer put down north to south that brought it up to about 3" or 4" above grade and was baby but smooth !! if any of you remember that may have flown there remember that far back, that's how far it has sunk in 25 or 30 years!! it's old river bottom from when the Meramec River ran over it ancient times. But since it was done correctly in the first place, it's surface held up and wasn't cracked nearly as bad as this "new" paving job.

    I hope that the AMA gets their monies worth out of this, or it comes with some sort of warranty, because if a pad of this size presents it's problems and I'll bet it cost a bundle in this day and age. I'm glad to see it, and some of the other disciplines will benefit from it also Just keep those Indiana Hotrod Hoosiers off of it for the foreseeable future!!
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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2024, 09:07:45 PM »
This looks awesome! Way to get that done to all those involved!!!
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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2024, 08:31:09 PM »
Thank you, Doug. It truly was partnership between those of us on the PADCOM and senior AMA leaders. I supported the others requests and they supported the resurfacing of the L Pad. The most recent AMA plan had us giving up the L Pad in favor of a new site bringing all the CL groups together. I would not agree to that plan for these reasons:
1. There was no guarantee the plan would fit the AMA budget;
2. No one has asked me to move us from the L Pad. All we have been seeking is resurfacing.
3. The proposed location was much closer to the main highway that runs in front of AMA HQ and brought in noise considerations.
AMA was willing to scrap their proposal. It turns out their combo plan had an estimated $ 1.6 million cost associated with it. Resurfacing the CL sites was a little over $400,000.

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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2024, 08:40:58 PM »
3. The proposed location was much closer to the main highway that runs in front of AMA HQ and brought in noise considerations.
AMA was willing to scrap their proposal. It turns out their combo plan had an estimated $ 1.6 million cost associated with it. Resurfacing the CL sites was a little over $400,000.

   I expect there was a plan for that. What does land go for around Muncie?

     Brett

p.s. just an example, one possible version. This one is around 500 acres or a little larger, I think. I have no specific information, of course. I think that is something like $20 million or more. It is not a necessarily a bad idea.


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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2024, 06:01:31 AM »
Thank you, Doug. It truly was partnership between those of us on the PADCOM and senior AMA leaders. I supported the others requests and they supported the resurfacing of the L Pad. The most recent AMA plan had us giving up the L Pad in favor of a new site bringing all the CL groups together. I would not agree to that plan for these reasons:
1. There was no guarantee the plan would fit the AMA budget;
2. No one has asked me to move us from the L Pad. All we have been seeking is resurfacing.
3. The proposed location was much closer to the main highway that runs in front of AMA HQ and brought in noise considerations.
AMA was willing to scrap their proposal. It turns out their combo plan had an estimated $ 1.6 million cost associated with it. Resurfacing the CL sites was a little over $400,000.

Mark

Actually, Mark, what you describe was NOT the plan that was presented to the EC last October. The idea of consolidating the CL site on the north edge of the IAC died a long time ago. Instead, a proposal to use the L-Pad as the southern-most component for a revised CL area was presented to the EC last fall, and given essential approval for further thought  as i was told.

I worked with Toby very much this spring to fine-tune that plan, make it cheaper and easier to build and to achieve some goals:

1. Leave the L-Pad where it is to meet the desires of the stunt community.
2. Get the CL activities consolidated instead of spread all over half of Delaware County.
3. Get the needed reconstruction/paving of the asphalt pads (what's happening now).
4. Add grass runways capable of supporting RC as well as CL Circles.(Consideration for the RC overflight area to the east of the L-Pad)
5. Get the Speed pad out of the site 3 overflight area.

This plan was drawn up .... and apparently .... ended up in some black hole somewhere. When I visited Muncie in late May, it was still on the table. Toby, BillB and I walked the area by the McCool pad and talked about how it would work. Who and how this plan was killed to improve CL for ALL of us is unknown, but I suspect the overall cost was key.

I still have all of the drawings that evolved out of the presentation to the EC last year if anybody is (privately) interested.

Bill

PS: What has resulted is that CL will remain as-is, spread out so that any commonality and sharing is quite difficult at best, impossible in the norm. The overflight problem for the RC folks remains. The only grass for CL and other use  remains only on the 600x600 (Site 5).

All is not totally washed away however since we are getting two of the pads resurfaced, and I have heard that the Site 2 (the Speed pad) will be addressed later. I suspect  it will not remain where it is since it is in the overflight area of Site 3.

It is unfortunate that many needs will not be addressed, but this effort has resulted in getting AMA to do the repaving of the two pads that has been seriously needed for many years.



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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2024, 07:56:06 AM »
I wonder if anybody there knows what's going on.   I sent an email to Chad on June 20th this year asking if there was going to be any progress in putting concrete center pads on the two or three main grass circles we use-something some of us have been pushing for several years.  He immediately returned my message which included a map/layout moving ALL control line basically into the bean field east of the LPad by some 2026 date.  This then dismissed the concrete center pads.   Somehow we got from that in less than two months to what we have now and still minus concrete center pads....

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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2024, 08:05:49 AM »
If anybody wishes to talk to me about this, my e-mail address is Bill@WRLee.com

Regards,

Bill
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« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2024, 08:42:28 AM »
All is not totally washed away however since we are getting two of the pads resurfaced, and I have heard that the Site 2 (the Speed pad) will be addressed later. I suspect  it will not remain where it is since it is in the overflight area of Site 3.

It is unfortunate that many needs will not be addressed, but this effort has resulted in getting AMA to do the repaving of the two pads that has been seriously needed for many years.

    The AMA always has "plans", but they rarely come to fruition as designed or stated. The move to Muncie and the machinations over the Visalia site* (twice now...) sort of revealed the inner workings a bit more. But, without assigning anything nefarious or underhanded to it, you never actually hear the real plan.

   In this case, they "voted" on whether or not to repave the two sites on a Monday and the trucks were rolling in there a weekish later. You don't contract out that job in a week, meaning, they already had it ready to roll before "vote", i.e. a month or two bare minimum and probably much longer. That they already knew who the contractor would be when the voted shows that. The time to actually do it is about what I would have expected (a few days), but also provides for maximum potential for disaster if even the slightest thing goes wrong.

    But I note that, as early as last year, we knew we would have to shift our traditional dates for some "activity" that apparently either didn't happen, or didn't conflict. Nice confluence of coincidences that just happened to have the site unused and the best pavement contractor in Indiana conveniently available that particular week or two.

   Again, I am not suggesting that there is anything genuinely wrong or even questionable about what has been done. Both sites needed this for a very long time, and it was mostly the right solution for the money.  But what happens does not always correspond to what is stated is going to happen, and in many cases it appears that some of the "decision points" and "votes" are more for show than for actual decision-making, and in almost every case, they already have *a* plan, maybe just not the plan they are telling you about.

     Brett

*For those unfamiliar with this, er, "plan", that one is a real sore point, they have touted the possibility of a second "regional flying site" (i.e. second after Muncie) out in the San Joaquin valley (Visalia on the first try) and attempted to collect money for it at least twice. On the first, I think from talking to people who donated, it was not insubstantial (although nowhere near enough to pay for it), the second, they met with some "skepticism" from the people who donated the first time, and it got dropped. Absolutely no one thinks they were ever serious about it, and the money just disappeared. This was a continuation of the Muncie plan, where the stated goal was to buy properties all across the country as "regional flying sites", Muncie being only the first of several. As far as anyone can tell, that was just a selling point, not an actual plan, and they never had any real intention to do anything other than buy Muncie, move the HQ there, plan complete.

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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2024, 07:47:04 PM »
I arrived and got to the field just before dark.   Three hours of bumper to bumper getting through Indy.  (Not kidding).  Light rain most of the didn’t help.  Anyway AMA had just gotten drenched with a storm like it’s famous for.   The pad is actually fabulous!  Right now the grass fields have some standing water.   Hope that dries out.

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« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2024, 12:16:41 AM »
Hoping it all goes well & good for the Nats there .

If its a bit more demanding weather at the World Champs , it'll sort the men from the boys .

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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2024, 04:51:17 AM »
Remember the "CORN NATS"?   It's back!  About five feet instead of eight this time.   Right up against circles 3 and 4.   Judges will need machetes if they need to stand over there.


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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2024, 10:17:19 AM »
FYI to anyone arriving today.  RC pattern is being flown on three sites here today including the LPad.  As a result no CL anywhere today- or at least until after 5:00 when the other events are supposed to be over.  They’ve had weather delays today some so they may run late.   
Another note.  The grass fields look great.  The water all absorbed and the grass is well cut.   The plywood centers are out there.  Go to go- after RC pattern.

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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2024, 12:35:47 PM »
The quality of the pavement is outstanding, there are a few low spots here and there, but, as you would expect, completely smooth. It’s the good kind, road-quality rather than tennis-court, and appears to be leaching very little tar.

    There appears to be less crown than there was, maybe half, a foot -18”, so less trying to figure out where the judges are standing and adjusting up or down. There are a few low spots/puddles here and there, but all those I saw were off the circle.

   Dave is right, there is tall corn, maybe not elephant’s-eye high, but above 6 feet. We flew with the air coming over it to some extent, didn’t seem to make much difference to the air.

     Very nice and relatively pleasant conditions today, not too hot.

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L-Pad paving - WAS: 2024 World Champs….
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2024, 03:23:15 PM »
        L-pad paving worked out very well overall - but there was a gotcha that we had not anticipated. Early in the week. Shal Walker had noticed a curled-up wire sticking up out of the pavement over on the corner of circle #1. We cut it, not a big deal. We flew there most of the week, before Paul noticed a wire sticking up right before Tim Just’s flight over on circle 4. Several sweeps were done, and wer found numerous wires sticking up of the pavement in various places, and some bent over flat but ready to snag lines. According to Glen Meador, who used to be a contractor, they sometimes chop up old radial tires and throw them in the mix. That is exactly what these wires looked like, usually really stiff and springy curly-cues, like they were formerly part of a wire rope.

      Mark Weiss and Mike Londke organized a FOD walk looking for them, and they found a bunch of them, maybe 20 total,  either pulled them out or cut them off. I got an old set of flying lines, hooked them end-t0end top get 128 feet of wire, and Shal and I dragged them across the circles from end to end, and found about 10 more. Even this morning, when I was getting ready to fly the warmup flight, I found one (right next to where they dug out a wire earlier) right in front of my lines, and we pulled that one out.

      That aside, we really had no problems and I only saw one line where the various strips of asphalt came together where it was depressed enough to make you want to avoid out, and it was way over on one side of the circle. We also had the impression that the crown had been reduced, but then I went over on the far corner of the “L” by circle 3 and it looked about the same as ever, and sure enough, I managed to land into the side of the hill and bounce on several occasions, completely unforced errrors in what were mostly benign conditions.

    I sure hope they check the TR circle, too, because some of our wires were maybe 6” long and would easily snag a teeny little F2C models just rolling along normally.

     Brett

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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2024, 07:38:12 PM »
I had a small piece of that wire wrap around the axle on landing on top 20 day and lock the wheel. Fortunately the nose over occurred when the plane was almost stopped and damage was minimal. If it had happened on takeoff it wouldn't have been pretty.
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Re: 2024 F2 World Championships - the silver lining
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2024, 08:17:43 AM »
The L pad is beautiful.  Great surface and nicely painted circles.  Thanks to all involved.
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