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We have arrived on scene and went to check out the LPad. We found strangers on the field.
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And this interesting addition out in front of the pavilion.
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Wow .... counter rotating props ..... is that next for us?
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THIS is wotcher need . %^@
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqcUUsICeww
Owta Bodge it , guv .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md_99-WGSEA
We All Need Westland Wyverns . The Prop set up MAY be Excessive . :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVg3BoB4kOQ
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Wow .... counter rotating props ..... is that next for us?
Frank, have you no fear, they are among us...
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Hey Dave Ben and I will be pulling in Saturday afternoon.
James
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Please post lots of updates for those of us who can't attend. Hope to see my long distance friends next year.
Thanks,
Jason
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One more day of work, and then we hit the road at about 4am Saturday.
Derek
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Safe travels guys. I shall be found out playing in the grass here in short order. I'd expect Trax will show soon. Jason don't wait till you have your AARP card before we see you again here. They are resurfacing the parking lot here at the Baymont so its first come-first serve on the parking. Weather is poifek!
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The trucks all loaded and I'm heading to Ohio to get Bill. We should land in Muncie late Sunday evening.
Can't wait to see everyone!
Chris
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The trucks all loaded and I'm heading to Ohio to get Bill. We should land in Muncie late Sunday evening.
Can't wait to see everyone!
Chris
Looking forward to your results this year Chris, fly well
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Forecast for the week is temps in the high 80's & low 90's, lotsa humidity too. Please wear your "floppy hats", sun screen, and stay hydrated!
Hope to see you all on site starting Saturday afternoon...
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Forecast for the week is temps in the high 80's & low 90's, lotsa humidity too. Please wear your "floppy hats", sun screen, and stay hydrated!
Hope to see you all on site starting Saturday afternoon...
80's to low 90's??? That sounds great!!! It's been 102-108 in GA for the past two weeks, with high humidity as usual. Muncie weather will feel air conditioning. Can't wait!!
Thanks for running the Nats this year Dennis, your service is greatly appreciated.
Derek
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A little past noon the wind got rather sporty and the boys wanted to mow the circles again so we broke for lunch and a snooze. Dave Wenzel and John Wright visited the circle and I spotted Trax as I pulled out. Brenda and Melvin Schuette have arrived. Headed to the DQ then back to the field. At the LPad the F3A winner from yesterday was putting up a flight while no less than three movie cameramen filmed- one from a big quad rotor hovering motionless about 60 feet over circle 2.
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Good luck guys. 'wish I could afford the trip. It looks as though the bipes are still competitive in RC pattern.
SK
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Jeff Traxler is already there camping on the grass.
Chris Cox and Howard Rush get in tonight.
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Hi Dave,
I'm looking forward to your usual great job again this year, BUT... I also plan to visit either Wed. or Thurs.
When you see Trax, tell him he better fly great this year or I'll....well, I'll..... n~
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Jeff Traxler is already there camping on the grass.
Chris Cox and Howard Rush get in tonight.
I did not realize how bad I want to be back there again this year,,
its settled, time to start putting my nickels in storage for next years NATS
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Will I look forward to seeing you. I'll tell Trax but you know....... Wondering about evening practice. NOAA and Accuweather say the current wind speed is 21 mph with gusts to 24. Not forecasted to taper off till around 8:00. 3-5 tomorrow and 5-8 Sunday. Maybe just fly the TV in the room tonight.
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Yup, windy at the field. I am a slingshot's distance from Jeff. My trailer is parked next to Bill Lee's Bus by the RC field.
Time to charge batteries.
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One more day of work, and then we hit the road at about 4am Saturday.
Derek
What is that foreign word you used.......work...
Not in my vocabulary. ....what does it mean?
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The trucks all loaded and I'm heading to Ohio to get Bill. We should land in Muncie late Sunday evening.
Can't wait to see everyone!
Chris
@Chris
What is Bill flying this year?
And you?
Best of luck,
Curt
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@Chris
What is Bill flying this year?
And you?
Best of luck,
Curt
Bill is flying his Vulcan in classic and the Razerback in open. I'm flying the Junar XL.
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Bill is flying his Vulcan in classic and the Razerback in open. I'm flying the Junar XL.
And you two are so ready you don't need to arrive until Sun night.
I'm impressed!
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And you two are so ready you don't need to arrive until Sun night.
I'm impressed!
Well Bill had a job Sunday morning that was holding us up... But it got cancelled so we are heading out in the morning.
See you all then.
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80's to low 90's??? That sounds great!!! It's been 102-108 in GA for the past two weeks, with high humidity as usual. Muncie weather will feel air conditioning. Can't wait!!
Your dad said something like that yesterday. For this former Michigander it will definitely be a HEAT WAVE.
Thanks for running the Nats this year Dennis, your service is greatly appreciated.
Derek
I hope you still feel that way a little over a week from now..!
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We were supposed to of left today for Muncie...due to some real bad luck, we have had to cancel. I'm very disappointed, as I was looking forward to put my new ship on the floor to be judged. Joe Bowman can fill you in on all of the details. I'll be here following all of the action.
Norm
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We were supposed to of left today for Muncie...due to some real bad luck, we have had to cancel. I'm very disappointed, as I was looking forward to put my new ship on the floor to be judged. Joe Bowman can fill you in on all of the details. I'll be here following all of the action.
Norm
Golly, Norm. Sorry you can't go. I'm glad Joe can. I was worried about him last year.
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For this former Michigander it will definitely be a HEAT WAVE
I understand. We went from Seattle to Los Angeles in February once. We had forgotten the existence of sunglasses, hats, and sunscreen and had to buy some.
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We have arrived on scene and went to check out the LPad. We found strangers on the field.
Wow! Fancy paint jobs. That modeler must have a lot of masking tape! Lots of props, too.
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Seeing the super high cost in R/C pattern now days I remember why I came back to control line after 25 years in R/C. Just my opinion but after the Kwik Fli Kaos era pattern started down hill. Those were the fun years at least for me. When I quit flying R/C pattern in 94 I had around $1100 in my MK Joker with retracts, a YS 2 stroke with a pipe, and a JR Century 7 PCM radio. Now a competitive radio costs more than my whole set up.
I will be looking forward to any info from the control line Nats. I will always be interested as it is fascinating. All the best to all the competitors that will fly and keep it alive. My first Nats as a spectator only was in 68 at Olathe Naval Air Station. I had a blast. My next Nats was in 72 at Lincoln Nebraska where I flew R/C pattern. Us Pattern guys went over and watched control line combat between flights.
My last Nats I flew Old Time Stunt and had a blast. You guys have a great time. I will be there in spirit.
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It's starting to fill out here today. Of course Paul is here. Also Sparky, Brett, Mike McHenry, and Allen Goff. Pictured below is Bill Werwage headed to circle center to fly the Vulcan with Chris Rud launching.
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Our lunch bunch broke bread at Paneras. Left to right are Gene Martine, Stan Powell, Mrs. and Frank McMillin, myself and Kaz Minato.
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Our lunch bunch broke bread at Paneras. Left to right are Gene Martine, Stan Powell, Mrs. and Frank McMillin, myself and Kaz Minato.
Champions nosh on soup and chili.
Secret CL cuisine.
Good luck to you all. And these updates are real good to read Dave.
Shug
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Shug having met you I know you'd come here and 'catch it'. It's a contagion that never leaves you and keeps you coming back for life. Get R Done my friend.
I'm going to finish off my gallon of fuel here on the grass and wander up to the LPad where the guys have already been flying all day. Not having the RC Scale across the road this year made the pad open all weekend. I'll try to snap a few pics and post. Josias Delgado was burning some in over on the racing circles earlier.
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We pulled into ama headquarters around 4:30 this afternoon. Can't wait to start burning some fuel tomorrow.
Derek
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Got to the pad just as the sun was going down and folks were scattering. Here's Joe Gilbert helping Howard.
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Who's going to win this year?
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Jim Lee and Bob Brookins tailgating.
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Last years Event Director Bob McDonald is ready to fly this time.
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Kenny Stevens flashing by.
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Herd on the line shot.
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Joe, Chris Rud and Junar XL.
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Wow! Fancy paint jobs. That modeler must have a lot of masking tape! Lots of props, too.
Ted I just spotted your post. From what I saw ( in my humble opinion) most every machine I saw out there looks to come off the same professional assembly line. There were about three major designs and quite similar paint jobs. Pretty sure no BOM going on here.
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Dave: Your outstanding reporting & photos are greatly appreciated.
Thanks!!!
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Ted I just spotted your post. From what I saw ( in my humble opinion) most every machine I saw out there looks to come off the same professional assembly line. There were about three major designs and quite similar paint jobs. Pretty sure no BOM going on here.
Those planes are like CLPA planes, in general a large majority look the same, but in the details there are many many differences between the models all for certain reasons. The companies work directly with top pilots and put our many test models to come up with the production models. It's not BOM and they haven't had it in a long time but they are getting the top evolution of the envelope for those who want to get into that game. With today's production methods coming from 3D computer models to painted molds with laser cut/built interior parts produce high performance models to say the least. But in the end the pilot still has to move the sticks, they still have to understand how to make it go through the maneuvers and then do it over and over and over and in all different weather conditions. Money can't buy a championship, it certainly can help, but one still has to find their pattern at the bottom of a fuel can or at the end of numerous burnt out batteries. Their pattern changes and has unknown elements thrown in the day of the contest as well. It sounds like a really hard event to master and then to stay at the top takes as much time as well....
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I sure do like Chris's XL. I wonder how it flys?
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Golly, Norm. Sorry you can't go. I'm glad Joe can. I was worried about him last year.
Hi Howard, Joe should do well, he has been flying a lot and working with me on my flying. I sure wanted to be there. The best of luck to you and everyone else.
Norm
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Caught up with Denny and Derek while grabbing grub this morning, as well as James and Ben Mills. Practice weather looks good for the morning but winds will come up this afternoon ahead of forecasted storms tomorrow. Today will be Beginner and Intermediate out on the grass. I'll try to get over there and get some photos after I get some flying done.
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They weren't before but started coming in a few years back. Some have even used triplanes. RC Pattern isn't fast nowadays: high thrust and high drag is good for low constant speed.
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From morning practice: Derek Barry warms up.
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Gene Martines SV 11
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Brett Bucks Infinity
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David Fitzgeralds Thundergazer
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Chris Cox new ship.
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Dave launches for Brett
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Frank Williams Sidewinder
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Jose Modesto
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Kaz Hellcat
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Had my fill of the wind for the morning so went over to the grass to check out Beginner and Intermediate. It was winding down but I was thrilled to see two new junior Stars of Tomorrow in Steven and Joe Daly flying an electric Nobler. Here's Steven the youngest;
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Here is the final scoreboard for Intermediate. Congrats to all!
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Brenda is coming around to tell everyone that a storm is on the way and they are taking the tents down.
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Ben Mills chillin'
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Ted I just spotted your post. From what I saw ( in my humble opinion) most every machine I saw out there looks to come off the same professional assembly line. There were about three major designs and quite similar paint jobs. Pretty sure no BOM going on here.
Hi Dave. I know...I was just being my usual smart a$$ self and remembering the olden days when modeling was a significant part of the model airplaning package everywhere on the field.
Thanks so much for all the pix and "flavor" of the CLPA Nats experience. I don't miss it a lot until I see the pictures of planes and pilots...generally with smiles on their faces. I know these guys have lots of masking tape and props and know how, where, when and why to use all of them. No "one trick ponies" on this track.
What a great event!
Ted
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A group shot of all Beginner and Intermediate contestants.
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The loot field.
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The beginner scoreboards in the wounded hands of Mike Stinson. Tell him to keep his paws outa props!
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Hey Dave. thanks for all the pics and goings on. You cannot imagine how much it means to us guys at home. Not as good as being there but helps us relive some past times in the present. Don't forget to fly up a storm yourself though.
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Thanks Jim! From the Museum......Today Wes Dicks Velvet is being inducted into the museum. His innovative split 'blown' flaps were deemed worthy to be added to the museum. Wes, at 83, is in fine form and ready to go this week.
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Well, the rain finally came. It is really coming down as I sit in my trailer. Took the photo just before the heavy rain came. Lightening now.
All activities shut down currently.
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Ben Mills chillin'
This isn't the young lad I remember down Springfield, Mo. way. H^^
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This isn't the young lad I remember down Springfield, Mo. way. H^^
Yep Doc
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Dave,
I want to add my vote of many thanks for your great coverage of the "Doin's in Muncie". I wanted very badly to go this year but it just wasn't to be.
Next year!...
In the mean time your coverage is the next best thing!!!
Thanks...
Randy Cuberly
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I was able to get a pass this afternoon and drove up to Muncie. Stunt was done for the day by the time I got there but I got to see about half a dozen really good F2D matches before the rains came. I'm planning going back up Tuesday about noon. I hope there's still some competition going on by then.
Matt
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Thank you Randy and to all with kind words. This is ( mostly) fun for me too!
A weather update. The storm is past but it's overcast and remains windy. The local airport has 14-16 mph with gusts to 23. It's supposed to settle to about 11 mph by dark. Brave souls might take wing that last hour. Tomorrow is 50/50 rain with winds 9-11. Tuesday on appears much better. The Appearance judging and pilots meeting happens at the 180 building at 2:30 pm Monday. I hope others will add photos from the judging floor. There will likely be a clutch of flyers gabbing at the pavilion and watching the weather as the evening wears on.
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We were supposed to of left today for Muncie...due to some real bad luck, we have had to cancel. I'm very disappointed, as I was looking forward to put my new ship on the floor to be judged. Joe Bowman can fill you in on all of the details. I'll be here following all of the action.
Norm
Hate to hear your not going Muncie .Maybe we'll see you, Dang and that new plane @ tulsa .That's a sweet looking bird.
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Well, the rain finally came. It is really coming down as I sit in my trailer. Took the photo just before the heavy rain came. Lightening now.
All activities shut down currently.
Looks like "Miller Time". Or whatever refreshment you personally prefer!! #^
Randy Cuberly
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Thanks Jim! From the Museum......Today Wes Dicks Velvet is being inducted into the museum. His innovative split 'blown' flaps were deemed worthy to be added to the museum. Wes, at 83, is in fine form and ready to go this week.
https://youtu.be/9nRNTtPkA5U
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This isn't the young lad I remember down Springfield, Mo. way. H^^
Yep, he's about 6'1" now (I don't think it's fair that tall and slim skipped a generation LL~).
James
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Hate to hear your not going Muncie .Maybe we'll see you, Dang and that new plane @ tulsa .That's a sweet looking bird.
Thanks, we are sure going to try and make it.
Norm
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Well, the rain finally came. It is really coming down as I sit in my trailer. Took the photo just before the heavy rain came. Lightening now.
All activities shut down currently.
Oddly enough I had the same weather here. Looked like one cell, and it was,But it blew over in time to fly later but then it got scarey dead air...
Best of luck this weekend Paul, and Chris and others,Looking forward to watching from here
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Billy in beard
(http://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/2016-nats-coverage/?action=dlattach;attach=255944;image)
(http://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/2016-nats-coverage/?action=dlattach;attach=255946;image)
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This looks like the morning to just roll over and sleep in. It's raining and will for another hour or two then 12-14 mph winds all day. We'll have plenty of time to spit-shine the birds up before Appearance Judging today.
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What CL events are on schedule for Tuesday? I know speed limit combat is but what else?
Thanks, Matt
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What CL events are on schedule for Tuesday? I know speed limit combat is but what else?
Thanks, Matt
Matt as far as aerobatics is concerned look at the first thread on the forum above. Tuesday will have Old Time and Classic Stunt on circles 1 & 2 on the LPad starting at 8:00 am. The full Nats schedule can be found on the AMA website model aircraft.org/competitions/nationals.
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As Dave said, no one flying. The picture is from my dining table in our trailer looking towards the L pad. I have not seen anyone fly yet.
However, the wind here is not as bad as predicted. Still cool out after the storm passed. However, the weather radar shows more headed this way.
Time to polish!
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Paul,
Did you really force Chris out to fly yesterday evening in the 15-20 mph wind just so you could stand on the sidelines and chuckle? Wish I'd been there.
Alan
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Paul,
Did you really force Chris out to fly yesterday evening in the 15-20 mph wind just so you could stand on the sidelines and chuckle? Wish I'd been there.
Alan
Yes, the wind was blowing. We got his sensitivity up to where mine is and he found it punched through the wind better. No chuckling involved!
He is looking much better now.
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https://youtu.be/9nRNTtPkA5U
What are "split, blown flaps"?
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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What are "split, blown flaps"?
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
Hi Larry,
There photos near the top of the second page of this thread from Dave that show the detail of these flaps fairly well. They are in fact slotted somewhat articulated flaps similar to those found on full scale airliners. The really big difference here is that they operate in both directions.
Some pretty good illustrations of slotted flaps here:
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=slotted+flap+design&qpvt=slotted+flap+design&qpvt=slotted+flap+design&qpvt=slotted+flap+design&FORM=IGRE
The linkages are likely very "tricky" on Wes's Stunters!
Randy Cuberly
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it was also written up in Stunt News
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Thanks Randy.
Sure looks complicated.
I would have concerns with all the gaps between the two flaps and the trailing edge of the wing.
I know that competitive flyers make a big deal of sealing hinge lines before they even think about starting the trim process.
I myself have had trim issues until a local big shot flier had me seal the hinge lines.
Problem solved.
(Ted seems to know a thing or two about stunt ships)
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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I have the first plans built version of the Velvet and the flaps look more complicated than they really are.All of the other ships I have flown seam to really bleed off the airspeed when I tried to turn them too hard.These produce less drag and I have to really over control to slow it down in the corners.I like them and think the extra time to construct them was worth it.I was going to let Wes and others fly mine to check them out but............ HB~> HB~>
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The pilots meeting is over and here are the circle assignments and flight order for the first two days of qualifications:
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As per usual, the Advanced fliers will fly first then open. 'A' group has no Advanced fliers. They are spread between the other three groups.
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Dave Trible, our on the spot reporter, is again giving us poor schlubs a ground's eye view of the proceedings. Thanks to Dave for his awesome reporting.
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What are "split, blown flaps"?
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
Window blinds
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Dave it looks like you have a tough group. Remember you can do it.
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Dave it looks like you have a tough group. Remember you can do it.
UUUhhhhhh....Doc...Just which one of those circles would you consider "Not Tough"...??? They all look very, very tough to me!!! LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ I don't see any "Freebies" on any of them!
That said...Best of luck Dave!
Randy Cuberly
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Thank guys! These boys cut you no slack.....went to the judges meeting after the Appearance Judging and after that found a number of guys out flying. Actually the wind became do-able pretty late. Shot a few pics.
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These are Charlie Reeves and Jim Lynch with Charlie's Big Job / Fox .59 snarling.
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Dan Banjocks Galloping Comedian
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Jim Lynch's Humbler
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.I was going to let Wes and others fly mine to check them out but............ HB~> HB~>
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Jeff Traxler, if this indicates you squashed your Velvet I'm gonna......... Please say it isn't so.
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.I was going to let Wes and others fly mine to check them out but............ HB~> HB~>
Jeff Traxler, if this indicates you squashed your Velvet I'm gonna......... Please say it isn't so.
Will, I haven't heard anything (but have been busy). Hope something didn't happen with Traxs' plane. Didn't see him at the pilots meeting.......
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there is something going on with Trax,, something about his equipment being hauled off by "a lady on the AMA golf cart" and them having a conversation which led to her inviting him to go home or something? not totally clear on what happened but it sounds like Traxler was down helping beginners and his stuff got hauled off for "safe keeping"
dont anybody go jumping the bandwagon basedon what I said, I just got scuttlebut from face book so I dont have the facts,,
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There is a story about Trax but I'm not sure if it should be made public. Basically, he was asked to leave, but in my opinion, he was not at fault.
Derek
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Monday evening post pilots meeting practice on the L pad. Picture is my dog watching my dog fly!
Don't know why there weren't more people flying. It was nice out.
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There is a story about Trax but I'm not sure if it should be made public. Basically, he was asked to leave, but in my opinion, he was not at fault.
Derek
I attempted to be vague not knowing facts first hand, but read it on his facebook,,
sounds like a mess..
but it sounded like perhaps somehting was in process to remedy it maybe?
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Monday evening post pilots meeting practice on the L pad. Picture is my dog watching my dog fly!
Don't know why there weren't more people flying. It was nice out.
well I was headed that way, but had to work late on an estimate LOL
oh wait, maybe to far of a commute,,
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Today is Old Time and Classic. The wind is supposed to be pretty light and our only issues should be the heat and that the Boy Scouts had some kind of conflict this week so their wonderful food service is NOT available to us this week. BYO!
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Monday evening post pilots meeting practice on the L pad. Picture is my dog watching my dog fly!
Don't know why there weren't more people flying. It was nice out.
Dave and I went out there after appearance judging and there was *nobody*. We got out flights in an left, still just a few. Air was very friendly. Very strange.
Brett
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World Champ Orestes doing overhead eight this morning.
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Jeff's a good guy.
Who's harassing him?
Bob Z.
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World Champ Orestes doing overhead eight this morning.
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.I was going to let Wes and others fly mine to check them out but............ HB~> HB~>
Jeff Traxler, if this indicates you squashed your Velvet I'm gonna......... Please say it isn't so.
Will,Velvet is in one piece,very shiny,with a new 3 blade prop and spiffy new aluminum wheels!!Unfortunately it is no longer in Muncie,me either.I spent Saturday morning flying with Dave Trible down on the grass circles and was charging batteries all morning in the pavilion.When we decided to take a break I put my charger/power supply/batteries in my rolling milk crate and pushed it under the table I was charging on so it would not be in the way of others.My arthritis has been really on a terror of late and the closest handicapped parking is no where close.I did'nt want to be scolded for stopping to load and unload in the loop so many times and it was never a problem in the last 6 years so I went to lunch and then back to the grass to help out some beginners before going back to the L-pad only to discover my gear was gone.I had 2 new batteries charged that I was'nt able to fly out because I was whoooooooped from flying since 7:30 AM and did'nt want to risk wrecking my plane being physically and mentally drained.Now I could'nt put them in storage mode either.I asked if anyone had even asked if my stuff belonged to them before it vanished and nothing.I thought maybe Dennis put them in the tabulators trailer so nothing would happen to them and would get them before the beginners event which I was a volunteer at.All hoping to get my batteries in storage mode before cell damage and before the event I was working................but Dennis did'nt have them!Apparently Brenda the golf cart lady took it upon herself to remove them without asking ANYONE if the stuff belonged to them.It was taken to an out building by the old headquarters instead of lost and found?????When I realized they were'nt moved by Dennis I started to worry.He started to look around and asked her about the missing items and thats when we found out where it went.She decided they just did'nt belong there and took it upon herself to take something that did not belong to her and put it where no one but her knew where it was so she could scold them.If they were simply returned to their rightful owner a problem would have not arisen.I was by now going to be tied up at the event for hrs and all she does is ride the golf cart anyway so that simple solution would have avoided all this.After the beginner event and a quick trip to batton down the rain fly I had enough time to drive by and get my stuff before the ceremony at the museum.I figured on being civil about it and keep the trap shut until in her usual condescending manner she started screaming at me about parking in the handicapped spot.........I have my placard clearly displayed so what was that all about?????Certainly no way to start a civil conversation.When I said to her I don't know how you were raised but I had 2 parents that always told me"If it does not belong to you,don't touch it" and the next thing I heard was her daughter screaming at me and turned around only to have her in my face like a drill sargant.This fact she left out of the report to the AMA.I told them I would be making a report to her boss and the next thing I knew Dennis pulled me aside after the ceremony at the museum and told me she(The golf cart lady) wanted me gone and I would probably not win appeal and it would be best if I just went home.Nothing like a little support from someone you thought was your friend!!!!All I have to show for all the work I have done trying to improve my building and flying skills since the last Nats is 2 damaged batteries and a boatload of disappointment. In the 7 years I have been attending the Nats in Muncie I have yet to hear a nice or complimentary remark about the golf cart lady.........in fact they have all been of the negative nature.The nice lady at the AMA headquarters I talked to this morning said she would be glad to take a signed pettition for her removal into consideration............
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Just who is this Brenda the Golf Cart Lady and what is her role at the AMA?
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Sorry for your problems Jeff.
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Just who is this Brenda the Golf Cart Lady and what is her role at the AMA?
THESE ARE MY OPINIONS:
Hi, Mike - my best guess is that her job is to be the resident irritating a**hole.
From what Jeff wrote, she's not only pretty good at it but others have complained as well.
Just what the sport needs - another jacka**.
Jeff is a good guy and I've seen him put out some really good effort.
Neither he nor anyone else needs this kind of CRAP. I hope she gets fired.
Bob Z.
now I'm waiting for someone to defend her. LL~ LL~
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THESE ARE MY OPINIONS:
Hi, Mike - my best guess is that her job is to be the resident irritating a**hole.
From what Jeff wrote, she's not only pretty good at it but others have complained as well.
Just what the sport needs - another jacka**.
Jeff is a good guy and I've seen him put out some really good effort.
Neither he nor anyone else needs this kind of CRAP. I hope she gets fired.
Bob Z.
now I'm waiting for someone to defend her. LL~ LL~
Sounds like her Daughter is waiting to take her place! y1 LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
I'm a little surprised at Dennis's reaction. What's behind all that! I would be tempted to send the AMA a Bill for all my expenses and trouble along with the petition to remove Miss Brenda and her golf cart!
y1 y1 y1
Randy Cuberly
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Dave,
I sure have enjoyed the excellent Nats coverage and photos.
Thanks and I hope to see you in Paducah next month.
Zuriel
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I believe that Brenda is the Control Line ED.....at least she claimed to be to me when she was having a fit about something.....
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From the conversations I've had with Jeff I found a genuine person. Always volunteering. Thank you for clearing this up for us Jeff. I don't trouble believing every word you wrote. The last time I checked in at the old farm house I think it was 2013 not really sure. The help out there really wasnt happy to see me come through the door . I was more of an inconvienece than anything. Maybe no one told them that we are the people that gave them a job I dont think the General Motors Transmission Factory is currently hiring. So Im not surprised as to how Jeff was treated. Maybe training in Anger Management , Sensitivity Training or a simple trip to the Unemployment office is in order.
When they send my Nats Aplication the cover letter says " you are the backbne of our membership as a competitor" maybe that has changed.
Cant say I'm sorry I'm sitting in Seattle this July. I wonder if the PA Nats needs to be relocted ? Houston, Central Valley or Springfield, Or. I have no idea why we put up with this type of jive.
John L.
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Results!!! Classic and Old Time:
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Thanx for the support and the kind words.I enjoy helping and volunteering not only because it's good for the soul but there is still so much I need to learn to be a great CLPA pilot.IMHO the C/L community is the greatest bunch of humans on the planet and I am honored to be a part of it! H^^ H^^
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https://youtu.be/3DBEn5qj6bg
SloMo video from Orestes first practice flight this morning. I will try to do more with different people because I think it's kinda cool.
Derek
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thats pretty awesome
what are you shooting that with, I have been deliberating on getting a training camera
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I hope that was just a practice flight. ???
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thats pretty awesome
what are you shooting that with, I have been deliberating on getting a training camera
My droid turbo 2 has a SloMo feature on the camera. y1
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Interesting.
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I hope that was just a practice flight. ???
Concerning that the contest has not started and I stated that it was a practice flight....
Pick you favorite pilot, pick any maneuver, and I will capture it in SloMo. There WILL be mistakes and they will be easy to see. It's just the nature of filming stunt in SloMo.
Derek
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Yep, I need to read better. I remember standing with Mike Pratt one watching Paul Walker putting up a practice flight. I commented some thing about that is a national champion. Mike's response was that he was checking an engine out. Wait until he gets in front of the judges. n~
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My droid turbo 2 has a SloMo feature on the camera. y1
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Derek ,
Thanks for posting the video, I thought you were playing around with a new "high zoot" video camera. Very Nice work for a droid .
Would be interesting to see a hourglass and how sharp the corners really are.
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Gee, I have a Turbo II. Guess I'll need to see if it has such capability. What app are you using?
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Gee, I have a Turbo II. Guess I'll need to see if it has such capability. What app are you using?
No app, it's built into the phone. Go to your camera, swipe right and it will give you video and picture options.
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If it gives you FPS (frames per second) options choose 60 or higher if it's available then go slo mo. It's pretty amazing how powerful the camera is on the phones these days.
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For those with I-phones, the 5S and newer also have Slow Motion. Like Doug mentioned, swipe at the bottom of the image, it's a bit to the left of normal "photo".
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My Iphone has slow mo and it works great. I have nor tried it on a CL model yet. I used it at Charlotte motor speed way.
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After today's events and a quick sandwich I went to get a few flights in. After three I realized I'm exhausted so checked out the guys practicing on the LPad. Finally a little breeze was blowing. Much of the day it was near dead and Brett and I ran laps around the circle trying to figure out whatever breeze the flyers might feel and react to. You could tell by our trail of water bottles strung 360 degrees around circle 1. Many pilots flew their last maneuvers 180 degrees from where they flew the first one. All did a great job and some incredible flying happened. A side note: a couple discussions including at the awards ceremony today were about having both Classic AND Nostalgia 30 at next years Nats as separate events. Contestants could only enter one category. Most agreed by a voice vote. Also Bob Hunt and Dennis wanted to bring up making these regular Nats events. It's about increasing our head count/ footprint in the eyes of the AMA. As was explained, the thirty eight entries today didn't count- the contest didn't happen in AMA Nats terms. We need those to count to gain 'market share' with AMA. Someone (s) need to spearhead this and make it happen.
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When I was at the field Derek was taking more phone movies so I think he plans to post some later. I got this shot of Joe Gilbert trying out his mending arm to see how he will handle tomorrow. He did OK on his Ringmaster today but this is a different animal altogether.
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Thanks for the continued coverage! What's going on with Mr.Gilbert's arm? Hope it's not anything serious.
Thanks,
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It's about increasing our head count/ footprint in the eyes of the AMA. As was explained, the thirty eight entries today didn't count- the contest didn't happen in AMA Nats terms. We need those to count to gain 'market share' with AMA. Someone (s) need to spearhead this and make it happen.
And what gain is it for us? None as I see it because most are entered in PA already. Doing so would disenfranchise the ones who don't want to pay $95.00 to enter a 1 day contest.
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I think that's a little misunderstanding. You would pay your one regular fee (45.) Then Regular PA has a $45 fee. Any additional events are $10.00 ( I think). If you don't enter regular PA , just say Nostalgia 30, then it's would be like combat or carrier or racing. So maybe $55.00. Still a little high for a one day contest but not too many do just that. As far as benefits? I'm thinking more voice in Nats scheduling and field use. This very thing was tested this week when a sport R/C er drove onto the LPad and began to unload his stuff to fly on the LPad during evening stunt practice. I'll let him tell the story if he wishes but I am told the guy and Paul Walker had 'words' and finally Joyce Hager at HQ stepped in to clarify the LPad is off limits to everybody but CL stunt this week. This is just an example.
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Thanks for the continued coverage! What's going on with Mr.Gilbert's arm? Hope it's not anything serious.
Thanks,
Jason
Jason Joe somehow got his arm pinched or twisted working on one of his full scale airplanes and tore a tendon.
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Derek ,
Thanks for posting the video, I thought you were playing around with a new "high zoot" video camera. Very Nice work for a droid .
Would be interesting to see a hourglass and how sharp the corners really are.
Ask and ye shall receive.
https://youtu.be/Ky15MapFvUs
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Joe doesn't look too bad. He and I are both dealing with shoulder issues but we will pull through. ;)
https://youtu.be/N-p153nlNRM
Derek
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Cool videos. Interesting that it kind of looks like the plane is sliding through the corner rather than a smooth arc.
I love the things you can see with high speed video.
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https://youtu.be/--0pea7R4TE
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Joe, doing his thang.
Derek
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Those are cool videos how about some with the pilot there is one on here I think with Igor Burger that shows him only was very helpful showing body position and hand placement.
Great work thanks for everyone's coverage
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One more for tonight, enjoy.
https://youtu.be/UH8rUxDageo
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Those are cool videos how about some with the pilot there is one on here I think with Igor Burger that shows him only was very helpful showing body position and hand placement.
Great work thanks for everyone's coverage
Competition starts tomorrow but I'll work on it.
Derek
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I think that's a little misunderstanding. You would pay your one regular fee (45.) Then Regular PA has a $45 fee. Any additional events are $10.00 ( I think). If you don't enter regular PA , just say Nostalgia 30, then it's would be like combat or carrier or racing. So maybe $55.00. Still a little high for a one day contest but not too many do just that. As far as benefits? I'm thinking more voice in Nats scheduling and field use. This very thing was tested this week when a sport R/C er drove onto the LPad and began to unload his stuff to fly on the LPad during evening stunt practice. I'll let him tell the story if he wishes but I am told the guy and Paul Walker had 'words' and finally Joyce Hager at HQ stepped in to clarify the LPad is off limits to everybody but CL stunt this week. This is just an example.
Why would someone want to pay $55.00 extra for a 1 day contest Which now costs $10.00. Charles Reeves,Jim Lynch,John Simpson and many more would just choose not to fly. In my opinion this is a BAD idea! There is no gain for a bigger footprint (whatever than means) As far as RC fliers flying off the L Pad simple signage would stop this. It has worked as is for years.
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Pick you favorite pilot, pick any maneuver, and I will capture it in SloMo
The Golf Cart ' lady ' - Throwing a Wobbly !
What would happen if someone let her tyres down , while she was ' otherwise occupied ' . ;) ;D
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Today begins the first of two qualifying days of flying. Each flier has two flights each day, the single best each day added to find a place in the Top 20 to fly Friday. The forecast is about the same for both days. Winds calm early to around 6 mph. 20% chance of storms after 2 pm. Here we go!
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Joe doesn't look too bad. He and I are both dealing with shoulder issues but we will pull through. ;)
Derek
Issues? Have you been throwing around the football again?
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" Also Bob Hunt and Dennis wanted to bring up making these regular Nats events. It's about increasing our head count/ footprint in the eyes of the AMA. As was explained, the thirty eight entries today didn't count- the contest didn't happen in AMA Nats terms. We need those to count to gain 'market share' with AMA. Someone (s) need to spearhead this and make it happen."
Couldn't agree more!
It is absurd to think that AMA doesn't recognize all that happens at the Nats. Classic and Nostalgia are increasingly popular.
These airplanes also have the advantage at some local contests of being multi event airplanes. Less building for many people.
BTW Do we have any details of OTS, Classic and Nostalgia????? Pictures? Scores?
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I wondered why OTS and Classic were non-official years ago......took a poll at a GSCB Stunt Forum attended by about 50 people and the overwhelming opinion was to leave them as non official.
I wondered the same about Beginner and later Intermediate.......
Mayhaps I'm getting senile, but I think it's fine that those four classes are non official, one day, events......they are fun, and staffed by volunteers that are often flying later in the week.......
My puzzlement now is why we fly three age classes and two official classes.....I'm a believer that Expert should be flown and J,S,O eliminated...
Have fun....
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I don't believe raising the price from $10.00 to $95.00 will increase anything other than the number of pilots that don't come to the contest, I am against this idea.
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I wondered why OTS and Classic were non-official years ago......took a poll at a GSCB Stunt Forum attended by about 50 people and the overwhelming opinion was to leave them as non official.
I wondered the same about Beginner and later Intermediate.......
Mayhaps I'm getting senile, but I think it's fine that those four classes are non official, one day, events......they are fun, and staffed by volunteers that are often flying later in the week.......
My puzzlement now is why we fly three age classes and two official classes.....I'm a believer that Expert should be flown and J,S,O eliminated...
Have fun....
and doing this will accomplish what?
eliminate the BOM from the NATS, * already shown to be a bad idea and NOT widely accepted*
basically eliminate the history and tradition of NATS stunt competition * already shown to be a bad idea and not widely accepted*
we fly J,S,O and Advanced ,
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I'm a believer that Expert should be flown and J,S,O eliminated...
Have fun....
The Walker Cup recognizes the National Stunt Champion each year which is a separate competition for the Champions in each age category of the Precision Aerobatics competition. This is a tradition from the beginning of the Walker Cup. There is no need to change this. PAMPA has worked hard to maintain this tradition. It is not inconceivable for a young flier to come up and win the Cup as has been done in the past, although it has not happened for a while.
Dennis Adamisin was the last to win as a Senior in 1972. There have been several instances since where the competition was close. For example, it took a strong last flight in the Walker Cup flyoff by David Fitzgerald to beat Ron Gruber by only a few points in 2004 - a Senior at the time- to secure the cup. (That was the year when the FAI World Championships were held in Muncie, just before our Nats.)
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Rich has made it known for years how he stands on it. Let's not bog down Daves thread with that stuff.
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Rich has made it known for years how he stands on it. Let's not bog down Daves thread with that stuff.
noted and agreed
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Day 1 qualifying is nearing completion with three of the four circles finished. As soon as tallies are complete I'll post today's standings. We started out with near dead conditions and it was treacherous for a few flying in their own wake turbulence but also their were some other goblins as morning thermals broke lose and lifted off. Such was the unfortunate tale of Kenny Stevens who flew quite early. A goblin got him and was left to pick up the pieces-sad- he's a great flier and real neat guy. He has other planes but not here so he couldn't get another and get back in time. He could fly tomorrow but with a very low first day score it would be for practice only as there is no math to make qualifying possible. The winds began to build as the morning progressed enough that I went into 'windy trim'. Perhaps due to that circle 4 skipped the lunch break and forged ahead, finishing first. I'll be back with today's scores soon......BTW Rick Huff got out his wind-o-meter and was getting 12 mph at times- not at all outrageous but enough to become something affecting the fliers in some ways at times. When it wasn't you flying the breeze felt good on this warm day.
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Day 1 qualifying is nearing completion with three of the four circles finished. As soon as tallies are complete I'll post today's standings. We started out with near dead conditions and it was treacherous for a few flying in their own wake turbulence but also their were some other goblins as morning thermals broke lose and lifted off. Such was the unfortunate tale of Kenny Stevens who flew quite early. A goblin got him and was left to pick up the pieces-sad- he's a great flier and real neat guy. He has other planes but not here so he couldn't get another and get back in time. He could fly tomorrow but with a very low first day score it would be for practice only as there is no math to make qualifying possible. The winds began to build as the morning progressed enough that I went into 'windy trim'. Perhaps due to that circle 4 skipped the lunch break and forged ahead, finishing first. I'll be back with today's scores soon......BTW Rick Huff got out his wind-o-meter and was getting 12 mph at times- not at all outrageous but enough to become something affecting the fliers in some ways at times. When it wasn't you flying the breeze felt good on this warm day.
I really hate to hear that about Kenny, I don't know if I have had a chance to meet him but maybe once, but from what I understand he is a great guy and regardless you hate to see anyone loose a good plane.
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Issues? Have you been throwing around the football again?
Yeah, it has been bothering me again for the past couple months. I have had problems with my right shoulder since I hurt it lifting a piece of granite over ten years ago. The football incident a few years back aggravated it again but it has not been a problem for some time. I am not sure why it started hurting again but it did. I will probably get the Dr. To take a look at it when I get home. It doesn't hurt to bad when I fly, it actually hurts more when it's at rest.
Derek
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Or .... Send Gene a personal message here.
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We are getting close- in fact I can go ahead and give you half. Still waiting on circles 1 and 3. Here are 1 and 4:
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Yeah, it has been bothering me again for the past couple months. I have had problems with my right shoulder since I hurt it lifting a piece of granite over ten years ago. The football incident a few years back aggravated it again but it has not been a problem for some time. I am not sure why it started hurting again but it did. I will probably get the Dr. To take a look at it when I get home. It doesn't hurt to bad when I fly, it actually hurts more when it's at rest.
Derek
No worries, it's just old age!
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Dave, you posted circle 1 twice. We need to see 3 yet.
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Dave, you posted circle 1 twice. We need to see 3 yet.
Well crap! Comes from practicing consecutive maneuvers. Yeah I'm at the hotel and didn't get that shot. Going right back out for the Pampa meeting so I'll run over there and post it in a little bit.
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Try this. Went out and took the pic of C3O
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Thank you Paul! Maybe I won't get a speeding ticket after all.
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No worries, it's just old age!
Speaking of old age.... Happy birthday old man!
Derek
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Well, most of us are getting to be old guys.
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Well, most of us are getting to be old guys.
No RAndy, this is the one area where YOu and I are still youngsters,, dont go and blow that please,,
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Ask and ye shall receive.
https://youtu.be/Ky15MapFvUs
Derek
Great video, thanks for posting
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Hey guys, don't worry about old age; it doesn't last. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
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Rich,
As Bob Hunt stated "We need those to count to gain 'market share' with AMA. "
This has no effect on local contests. The point is AMA does not recognize the actual count for control line being flown at the Nats. This could actually have them end CL at a future Nats.
The GSCB may be voting on something that does not effect them, and certainly most of them do not fly at the Nats.
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Rich,
As Bob Hunt stated "We need those to count to gain 'market share' with AMA. "
This has no effect on local contests. The point is AMA does not recognize the actual count for control line being flown at the Nats. This could actually have them end CL at a future Nats.
The GSCB may be voting on something that does not effect them, and certainly most of them do not fly at the Nats.
This is probably not going to happen as a official event would have to be in the rule book and both old time and classic are not.
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That Stunt Forum was around 25 years ago....you might have even been around then....
If the Academy looks at numbers only as a criteria for holding events at the Nats, then Stunt would be the last control line event to be eliminated....registration for the four official stunt events (J,S,O and Advanced) is around what the other categories (Speed, Carrier and Racing) COMBINED is.
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Ask and ye shall receive.
Derek
Hi Derek, thanks so much for these slo-mo's. That hourglass of Orestes is so good to watch in such tiny steps and so nice and smooth. I would like to use these video's in my judges training program if that's o.k.? I also have one more request if it's possible......seeing that you're offering. y1 I would love to see Orestes fly the 4-leaf clover. In Australia I watched him do a couple of rule-book clovers and they matched my 3-D CL Sim clover. I have not witnessed anyone else do the clover that close personally and whenever I try to video the top guys in contests, there are always people that are standing in front of the camera. My wish-list is for one really good flight shot from a good spot that shows enough width and height to fit in the maneuvers, and that is shot from a tripod........with no-one getting in the way of the camera. Now if that was in slo-mo as well..........that would be wunderbar!
Keith R
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Hi Derek, thanks so much for these slo-mo's. That hourglass of Orestes is so good to watch in such tiny steps and so nice and smooth. I would like to use these video's in my judges training program if that's o.k.? I also have one more request if it's possible......seing that you're offering. y1 I would love to see Orestes fly the 4-leaf clover. In Australia I watched him do a couple of rule-book clovers and they matched my 3-D CL Sim clover. I have not witnessed anyone else do the clover that close personally and whenever I try to video the top guys in contests, there are always people that are standing in front of the camera. My wish-list is for one really good flight shot from a good spot that shows enough width and height to fit in the maneuvers, and that is shot from a tripod........with no-one getting in the way of the camera. Now if that was in slo-mo as well..........that would be wunderbar!
Keith R
Yes, you can use any of the videos shoot. I am glad that you liked them.
I will try to get an Orestes clover today if I can. I might get a few other maneuvers too. The wingover looks pretty cool in slow motion.
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Thanks Derek, I would really appreciate that. You guys are so spoilt over there with so many great pilots and gorgeous models that it's no wonder that team USA is such a strong team at the world champs. Good luch to you as well with your own flying at this Nats. I look forward to seeing how well you do! Thanks as always to Dave Trible for the blow-by-blow coverage.
Keith R
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The first round is in here and most circles are taking a break. The morning weather has been pretty fair with enough wind to be mostly helpful. It's starting to blow a little more now so the final round may have some challenges. Some of US know we need to burn in very good flights in the last round to make the cut.........no mishaps I know of so far today.
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A few shots from today...Samantha Hines and Vince Boddie.
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Dave,
I also want to thank you for the excellent coverage you provide! Derek as well. The slow motion videos are awesome. I look forward to today's results. I want to also thank Bob Hunt for his Nat's News columns. The appearance judging coverage was great.
Congrats to all the winners so far!
Mike
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Looks like top Twenty will be exciting. A lot of the usual suspects and a few obviously talented newcomers...to say nothing of Mr Rudd! Let the joust begin. Good luck to you all.
Ted Fancher
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Ihave to do math to find out!!
no fair, sheesh,,
thats like prolonging the agony, though it looks like my buddy Chris Cox made it in based on a thunbmail calc
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How is Jose Modesto doing? #^ #^ #^
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Looks like Joe M. just missed according to my figures. Joe G. who I consider local just sneaked in. A lot of close scores for the circles. Thanks Dave for the coverage and looks like we need more work. On your circle if you couldn't a two day total above 1100, you were out. But in reality, all you contestants that flew are winners in my book. And Keeny S., maybe you should just borrow a plane, but then you couldn't fly Open. Again thanks to Dave, Bobby, Derek and others that have kept us posted. H^^
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As the guy who had to stay behind here in Katy Texas I just wanted to thank everyone that is providing the information, great pictures/ film and running commentary on the Nats. It is truly greatly appreciated.
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Looks like a tough group, best of luck to all.
Amazing that 5 pages of posts and not a word about the fabulous Pizza King "Pepperoni Lover's" pizza or fresh baked pies at the 12th Street Cafe?
Curt
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Also missing is the "JCT's" commentary and poems. :(
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Curt this reporter hasn't heard about any Pizza King get together as yet. In fact I haven't gotten to 12 St. either-guess I don't get out much..... Here's an example I guess; a storm has pretty much ended any evening practice so most have headed for the restaurants. Me? I'm back in the room figuring out how to use my nifty new Bob McDonald pitch gauge.
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Also missing is the "JCT's" commentary and poems. :(
The JCT, it is there,
Though little time to spare,
Preparations underway,
Top 20 in a day.
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You need to get out more. Do Bill Rich and I need to come back to introduce you to great pie and awesome Pizza?
Tell us more about the pitch gauge maybe on another thread?
Curt
Ps: Don't listen to Derek, he is from from Georgia, he does not know of good pizza.
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Curt I do wish you and Bill would get back here. My daughter lives in Georgia. She tells me about sea food and peaches- not pizza. The pitch gauge? Yes I will when I figure it all out. My home-made gizmo isn't very accurate so this will be a great change.
The rain has stopped but it looks windy from here. Doubt much will happen back at the field tonight. Randy Smith got here today and I saw Warren Tiart. Howard is busy here and somewhat subdued. I'm sure it won't last.
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The JCT, it is there,
Though little time to spare,
Preparations underway,
Top 20 in a day.
Thanks Robby, I feel better!!
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Disregard Dave...Doc explained it to me. I don't know what I was thinking about.
Hi Dave, I've been following everything with "baited breath." I was suppose to be there, but that's history. First your reporting is fantastic and very appreciated. I've paid a great deal of attention to the Advanced flyers. This brings me to the question that I have. Looking at the Advanced finalist..."to me," there seems to be a discrepancy. Haupt, according to my calculator, scored a 1019, the next nearest flyer scored a 982.34. Adding up of the nine flyers listed, Haupt's name does not appear on the list, but the Voumard score of 982.34, puts him on the list. Do I need to go back and refigure, or did I miss something. (Senior moment) Again...Your reporting has come to mean a lot to those of us who couldn't make it there.
Norm
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Yeah, Dave. I must also thank you for the great - that's GREAT - job of keeping us informed as events and scores take place...very exciting!
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In Advance only the top three go to finals from each circle. You should notice only three circles used for advance.
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In Advance only the top three go to finals from each circle. You should notice only three circles used for advance.
Oh! My bad Doc, top three from "each individual circle." Norm
Went back and looked at it again (on my own score board I've been keeping) I see how you explained it. I don't know what I was thinking about. If I was there, like I should of been, it would been made clear to me about how Advanced is scored. There is always next year.
Norm
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Today begins the Top 20 fly off to determine the top five to fly tomorrow. The weather looks to be a greater concern here today as a shower is likely to occur around start time this morning. Then perhaps a couple hours before a much larger formation rolls in. That's not exactly the forecast but that is what radar seems to be indicating. The wind will also be above 10 mph most of the day. We might expect weather delays. I'd be looking for great effort to move things along quickly when flying is possible. Good luck to all.
A suggestion to fliers. Today would be a great day to wrap some electrical or athletic tape around your handle grip to protect from static shocks.
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A suggestion to fliers. Today would be a great day to wrap some electrical or athletic tape around your handle grip to protect from static shocks.
FWIW, my experience is just the opposite. :)
When I am getting "hits" flying combat I put my thumb on the adjusting nut to make a good connection to the lines.
This allows the charge to bleed off instead of building up enough voltage to give you a hit.
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I got to the field just were getting underway rain passes by the first load anyway and on Circle three Bob McDonald is up and on circle for Frank Williams putting in a nice pattern. The wind started out is really pretty nice it's about 4-5 mile-per-hour I would judge son is drifting behind the overcast so it's not bad right now.
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On Circle three Brett Buck is on the circle and Dave Fitzgerald is helping him figure out where the winds coming from moving the judges around now. It seems to be coming pretty directly from the west which is exactly the direction this next storm front coming from a little dark that way I'm guessing hoping will get maybe another hour before we get wet here. Firing up over on circle 4 Eric Taylor.
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Bob McDonald headed out of the pit.
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Brett is down on three Chris Cox preparing to go iPhone for Paul Walker lending a hand. The other Chris Chris road is headed out with Mr. Werwage in tow on Circle three.
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Layla keeps Dad company in the pits.
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Joe Gilbert pull testing.
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Kenny Stevens taking it in.
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I'm sad to report the same goblins that got Kenny's airplane also got Richard Oliver's this morning. He's on the way home.
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A heavy dark cloud is above us now.
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With those asking about Howard, here he is.
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Judges....Thank you guys!
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Here's Bill Werwage blasting off.
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The T Bolt.
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Denny and Bob Brookins
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Orestes and Josias
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Kaz and Dave
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Joe and the Mrs. With Jim Lee
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Orestes. He's clocked at 5.0 laps
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We are on a short break while Dave Wenzel entertains on the bull horn
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The weather gods have decided to be kind to us so far.
Doug, being on the receiving end instead of the giving end this year you may not know my policy is to NOT show any scores until all flights are done so as to prevent any impropriety or the appearance of to influence the hard working judges pool. I'll post the boards immediately after the last flight and again when all the scores are posted.
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Circle 3 has started again with Chris Cox up. Here is a photo of Mike McHenry's Crusader. It received the Spirit of 64 award the other day in Classic
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Doug, bro says hey!
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I had Derek at 5.0 on the watch.
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The weather gods have decided to be kind to us so far.
Doug, being on the receiving end instead of the giving end this year you may not know my policy is to NOT show any scores until all flights are done so as to prevent any impropriety or the appearance of to influence the hard working judges pool. I'll post the boards immediately after the last flight and again when all the scores are posted.
Aha!! This makes sense! Thank you for the updates!!
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Its killing me not being there!!!!!!
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OK so we have Brett up on 4 and Frank McMillan is up on threes OK so we have Brett up on for you and Frank McMillan is up on three
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Brett wasn't taking any chances he was doing little backpedaling on the outside is a little bit of a breeze but wasn't can you chance getting it again on the inside squares now
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I clocked Brett at 5.18 going into the hourglass
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Some applause for Brett as Howard comes on
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A shot over Bob Hunt's shoulder as Howard heads for circle center with Mike Haverly on the tail.
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Howard at 5.29 after the triangles.........
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Eric Taylor burning one in on Circle three. He's flying a little older airplane he had a little mishap apparently at home with a newer airplane with the wings coming apart in the center. We think it might have been a harmonics issue like I'm having with one at home.
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If you're following along on the list Mike Mc Henry is just blasted off on four and Frank Williams is away on three
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Mike is putting along strongly at 5.8! Franks Sidewinder at 5.1. I checked it twice- looks slower but sure bet.
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Wish I could get over to advanced but it's moving along quickly here.
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Both guys are down now moving into three is Geno once again and on 4 is Chris Rud
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Brett is helping Chris as Billy is up soon on the other circle. Oft my pitman and coach Stan Powell helping Gene.
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Chris is flying it locked and low at 5.0....Gene is 5.3.....
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I predict we will see a trend with these lap times
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Gene finishes a superb clover.
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We ended up with near stunt heaven weather for this round.
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Billy is setting up on three. Bob McDonald on 4.
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We have thunder rolling but don't see anything to worry about yet.
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Robert Storick joins me in the 'broadcast both'
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Dave, thanks for the play by play! This is awesome!
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We have quite a crowd gathering to watch Billy fly. I have the Thunderbolt at 5.25
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This man is nailing this flight
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A great one in more ways than one.
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If that wasn't enough the World Champ follows on behind him.
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Orestes has press the button and good to fly. He's clicking 5.03
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It's killing me that I can't be there!! Thanks for the awesome coverage Dave!
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Very brisk and accurate corners leaving longer looking straight sides
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He finishes the clover and circles to land.
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David Fitzgerald going on 4. A smooth pattern backpedalling some as the air stagnates. 5.4.... Checked thrice.
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Tom Dixon doing yoaman's work with the Chipmunk on three. Matt up again now on four.
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Matt is moving along at 5.19
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Joe Gilbert painting it well on three at 5.01.
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Kaz up on 4. Yep.. 5.03
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The Hellcat is laying consistently at four feet.
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Kaz completes the last official flight of the day. I'll make my way to the boards and get a progress shot for you.
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While waiting for open scores Denny is handing out Advanced award.
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Michael Waldron accepts the first place trophy in Advanced
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And here it is!!!
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OK now lay your bets. I'm going flying.
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Seeing the top 5, I know who I would pull for, But I will cheer for the others and give him a chance. But would not surprise me to see Orestes on top as he has worked very hard for this.
Anyway Dave, thanks for the coverage. Looking at the scores it is going to take some work to make top 20 let alone top 5 in 2017. Drive safely on your way home. H^^
Getting old, you still have another day of reporting. #^ #^
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[quote author=john e. holliday But would not surprise me to see Orestes on top as he has worked very hard for this.
So are we to understand that none of the other competitors worked very hard at this?
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Dave,
Your "live", direct from the flight lines, update are superb. You bring the
Nat's alive for us at home, and it is greatly appreciated. Heck, I'll even
offer to pay for your film !! <g>
Cheers.
Warren Wagner
900 hundred miles from Muncie
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[quote author=john e. holliday But would not surprise me to see Orestes on top as he has worked very hard for this.
So are we to understand that none of the other competitors worked very hard at this?
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
John made a simple comment. The assumption is that ALL of the competitors worked hard. To assume that the current World F2B champion has a very good shot at victory is totally reasonable.
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https://youtu.be/2pqpUPQaSFU
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https://youtu.be/XUV-QA23Eyg
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I would have filmed other pilots but Orestes was almost the last flyer. After flying, putting up my plane and box, checking the scores, and having a cold one, Orestes was pretty much the only flyer left.
Derek
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John made a simple comment. The assumption is that ALL of the competitors worked hard. To assume that the current World F2B champion has a very good shot at victory is totally reasonable.
Yeah, and Orestes has to feel more pressure being the world Champ. I'm sure He realizes it's his to LOSE. At any rate He's proven He's best under pressure so I'm sure the smart money is on him. That said I think Paul Walker really wants to win this one and only an idiot would count him out. More than anyone He knows how to win!
I think He's done it a time or two LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
Randy Cuberly
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https://youtu.be/_UGuQ2bGuQY
Derek
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My daughter, Layla got this pic of me in level flight this morning. I think it's pretty awesome.
Derek
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One more.
https://youtu.be/AsQ7j6_nEts
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https://youtu.be/NQ7Qcbfm6tA
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I watched the Orestes videos. That guys is pretty good.. :)
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My daughter, Layla got this pic of me in level flight this morning. I think it's pretty awesome.
Derek
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Hey Derek - great picture by Layla, but you had better take a closer look. I flew right after you. I' m pretty sure it is me with the blue scallops and lack of wheel pants!
VD~
Thanks Layla!
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https://youtu.be/HGxsxa5R-0A
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[quote author=john e. holliday But would not surprise me to see Orestes on top as he has worked very hard for this.
So are we to understand that none of the other competitors worked very hard at this?
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
Nothing like some one trying to turn things around. All the guys that fly at the NATS, no matter what class has to work hard. I can still remember meeting the late and great Bob Gieski(spelling) the year he won the worlds and the NATS in the same year. In other words the competitors are all winners in my book. VD~
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From the banquet.. The Concours Award went to.....Kenny Stevens! Congratulations!
This was for the model lost. Second place vote getter- Richard Oliver.
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I want to thank all of you that are reporting this NATS. I see many guys I know having fun while I sit here in 103 heat and a sprained wrist. Again, many thanks. H^^ H^^ H^^ H^^
You are absolutely correct, I guess I should pay better attention.
Derek
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From the banquet.. The Concours Award went to.....Kenny Stevens! Congratulations!
This was for the model lost. Second place vote getter- Richard Oliver.
Congratulations Kenny, I know it hurts to lose a plane but at least it pulled an awesome trophy before it was gone.
Derek
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The Concours Award went to.....Kenny Stevens! Congratulations!
This was for the model lost. Second place vote getter- Richard Oliver.
Kenny's plane got my vote. I always like his best.
Richard's model also crashed. These weren't sympathy votes. We voted Monday.
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Um Derek, I believe you meant this for Cris Cox. LL~ LL~ LL~
I did. Sorry about that. Lol
Derek
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I did. Sorry about that. Lol
Derek
I think it's time you turned in and got a good nights sleep Derek!
S?P
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I wonder how many total flights Billy's P-47 has on it?
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Hi Derek,
Thanks very much for shooting the clover in slo-mo. I really appreciate that! Congrats for making the final 5 as well. That's awesome! Congrats also to the other 4 guys as well, and in fact also to all that made the Top 20 cut! There's a load of stunt legends in that group.
Keith R
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I wonder how many total flights Billy's P-47 has on it?
Well, Remember He had two! I believe the one He flew most was the Bubble canopy. The one He flew this time was the Razorback. I think in his earlier post with the Mag plans etc. He said that the Bubble Canopy one flew better etc. Personally I always liked the looks of the Razorback best, but every airplane is an individual and sometimes there's no telling what will work best.
Billy is still the MAN in my book!
Randy Cuberly
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Goodmorning from the LPad. Just underway here. A great morning that will be hot and so far little wind. Here is the top 5 board.
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Here is the senior and junior boards. Sami has already put in a flight and has passed on a second.
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Now the juniors Ben Mills
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And William Dirks.....another Bill Rutherford grandson.....
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If flying early in a round is bad, then Paul has a tough draw!
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We'll pick up our play by play with the second round- the first already flown. Today the fliers have three flights with one throw away. Paul is on the circle waiting while the judges catch a break.
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Paul is working a crisp pattern with lowing bottoms at 5.16. All the pilots are backpedaling in the near dead air and of course looking right into the sun. He lands.
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David Fitzgerald is up now......Brett holds.....signals and burning fuel.
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Close to perfect takeoff. A time of 5.28..up a little in speed today.
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A good maneuver lock and 5' bottoms
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Great corner..crisp turn-lock
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Mr. Ted's outside triangles will finish his flight.
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David's arrival was a pretty as his departure.
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Orestes moves on
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Josiah's awaits the motor....and gone at 5.04
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No pressure here for the Champ.....sharp turns make for longer sides. He's good at it.
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Right now that sun has to be murder on these guys- worst possible position
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Beautiful landing......Derek comes on.
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Derek moves the judges around about 15 degrees closer to the beans. Might be more about the sun than wind. Clocking 5.19
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Could be a big break. Now the wind is 90 degrees to the sun in his left shoulder.
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He is generally at 5' and good at it. Maybe one bottom he'd like to have back.
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One of the better overhead rights.. No hint of the double 'Ds'.
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The streamer on my wind pole is hanging limp- next to no air
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Dave's play-by-play is really great. His inside knowledge of stuff helps the narrative....I'm referring to the maneuvers being directly in the sun. Decisions, decisions...bias around or fly blind? There's a lot going through the minds of these pilots, the changes come rapid-fire.
Thank you, Dave Trible,
dg
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A very nice touchdown. Kaz moves forward. He had a mis-start in the first round. He took an attempt and was actually the last flight in the first round. Brett holds.
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The Hellcat is firing on all cylinders this time and lifts away nicely. 5.03 on lap
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This machine and its pilot are great performers
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He has bounced a couple bottoms but a solid performance by Kaz.
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For now the wind has the sun off the pilots left shoulder at about 8 o'clock
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That brings on break now for the judges... It is hot and pretty stuffy out on the blacktop.
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Up again with Paul. The wife in the beans with a marker sign.
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Nice applause for Paul...next up.....Kaz comes on.
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Great triangle and suburb tracking on the eights.
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Kaz carries just enough pitch on the 4 blade prop that the PA .75 never breaks out of the four cycle until the final half lap. He now lands.
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Orestes back out now for his last round flight.
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I better not move. He got me picked as target!
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Perfectly tracked round... Dunked a bottom on the squares.. Still hope for us all.
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Absolutely pinpointed the intersections of the overhead eight. That is VERY hard when there is no set reference up there... Pick a cloud... He lands now
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David on now. To keep the world in balance the top five has 3 IC and 2 electric. Dave away.
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Have to say Dave is holding the most 'rule book' 5' bottoms today.
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Maybe saw a 4' 10" there.
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There is a little breeze but Dave is peddling and not taking chances on turbulence
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And Dave winds up the flight.
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Derek stands on deck
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Nice applause from the gallery formed behind the judges almost in the bean field.
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Derek's PA turning.
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He knows this Dreadnought very well.
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He too is liking the 5' mark. Very smooth.
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Clean squares in and out.
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This is good example of straight, light airframe and enough power.
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He finished the clover and with that these rounds are complete. We'll await scores and I'll post at that time. I wi then sign off and head for Kansas. I believe others will add final activities here.
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Dave, I can't thank you enough for these excellent reports.
Oh, and tell Sparky I had fun watching his videos!
Again, thank you and have a safe trip home.
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And now your new Champions
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Congratulations to Dave and all these gentlemen. They are all champions in every sense. Thank you Les and thank you to everyone for their kind words and thoughts. Until next time, happy trails.
Dave
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Thanks Dave for the play by play.
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This was all "so cool!" Thank you Mr. Dave Trible. Congratulations to David Fitzgerald and the rest of the top five. H^^ Oh! And Sparky too. H^^
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Really great work, Dave Trible , thank you very much! H^^ ~>
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Thanks to Dave Trible, Sparky and all who helped with the reporting... I didn't realize how much it would suck not being there this year... but this helped... a lot!
Big congrats to everyone for a great showing, especially my buddy Derek who I know wanted it bad, he even practiced a little this year, heh heh. I'd be lying if I didn't have a favorite horse in this race, but that is all air under the wings now.
Congrats should really go to all the Top 5, who really all put on quite the show, even for those just scoreboard watching... though there is nothing like being there. It almost seemed like the District 5 fix was in with former WC Orestes, and former WC Team member Derek Barry, but there were other champ's on the circle as well, and they obviously haven't lost their touch either.
Another Congrats for yesterday's Advanced hero goes to Dist 5 Mike Waldron (say goodbye to Advanced fella, you have my sympathies!)
So, last but not least of course, special congrats to David Fitzgerald, you done good!
EricV
PS: David & Kaz, be sure to hit Randy up for your commission on the next batch of PA 75's. S?P
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Congratulations to Dave and all these gentlemen. They are all champions in every sense. Thank you Les and thank you to everyone for their kind words and thoughts. Until next time, happy trails.
Dave
Hi Dave,
Great job on the coverage of the Nat's. Almost like I was there, I really wish I was! Congrats to all the fliers and to the Champs for a hard fought event. Like always, the Nat's was very well run with great atendence.
Miss all my friends,
Mike Pratt
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Kudos to the two Daves. Our "buddy-since-his-kid-hood" David Fitz for prevailing over a very talented group of champions and to Dave Trible for almost making me feel just fine for sitting on my a$$ for the week as a long distance voyeur instead of driving cross country to enjoy the heat and humidity for real!
A great big atta-persons to Denny and his team who made it all happen. A hard job well done by all.
Ted and Shareen
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Congratulation to Dave. And thanks to Dave Trible for the reports. Fun time.
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Congrats to all, and thanks to Dave T for the play by play
Derek’s slow motion videos were humbling and fascinating to watch - thanks for doing that
Jim Hoffman
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Congratulations David F on another Nats win! Seen it before, you have a great ability to get better all week and with each and every flight.
Congratulations Randy Smith for another win as well, incredibly fitting that PA 75's are back! Thank you for all you have done, and continue to do for the event.
And finally, thank you Dave for the reporting, it was great.
Maybe next year,
Curt
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https://youtu.be/CTz2ptQnJKk
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Thank you for all of your work with the reporting Dave, excellent work! y1
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Man, this is just like the YS's and the electrics in F3A. Back and forth.lol :)