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Offline John Crocker

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1/2 A Twin (pics)
« on: September 16, 2007, 08:23:03 AM »
Always wanted a twin and with Frank Carlisles work on the LA Heat, had to have one.  I prefer 1/2A's (just know more about them) so this ones no different.  Going to be powered by 2 AP .061 Wasps with APC 6X2 props.

Finished this up last night after taking my boys to the PBR rodeo in Greensboro.  Lots of good rides, no serious injuries although we did see one guy get a nasty cut on his head and another get knocked out.  Kinda scary seeing a guy lay there not moving while 2000 lbs of beef is spinning over him.

Anyway, here it is, "THE CONFEDERATE".  44" span, 28" long.  061 Wasps should be in the LHS this week for the coup de gras.  Still dont know the weight, gotta find a scale.






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Re: 1/2 A Twin (pics)
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2007, 12:15:18 PM »
The high point on the airfoil seems too far foreward.

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Re: 1/2 A Twin (pics)
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2007, 02:19:31 PM »
The high point on the airfoil seems too far foreward.

I've never seen that particular style of airfoil before.  Ive seen the Demon style diamond airfoil with the highpoint farther back.  I noticed the leading edge was rather sharp too.  After seeing it covered though I think John may be on to something.  If you look at the overall shape of the airfoil now it looks like a blunt leading edge with a bunch of fences on the wing from the sagging of the covering material.

On thing great about the diamond airfoil is ease of building.

Maybe this shape will allow the plane to have the COG well forward for stability, and provide plenty of drag to slow the model while providing a lot of lift for good maneuverability.

John,  have you based this design on anything you've seen before?  I'm always glad to see experimentation.

I am anxious to see a flight report John.  Good luck with the first flight.   H^^
Tight lines,

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Re: 1/2 A Twin (pics)
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2007, 03:32:41 PM »
Hey Tom,

I know it looks odd, but that airfoil came together kind of as a joke and it worked.  I did a physics project in college when a friend I were playing with CL a bunch.  We were measuring model wing lift in a wind tunnel using a wing with a set angle of elevation and a load cell for measuring force.  I drew out that "diamond" airfoil, (note, the bottom is shorter than the top) and on a cocktail napkin at Mitches Tavern in Raleigh, NC after a lot of drafts said, wonder how this will work?  Turned out it worked as good as , if not better than most of the classic foils we were testing.  Plus it was easier to cut out and required little or no sanding if you were good with the razor. 

Most of the planes I've used this on will ROG without any up elevator.  Nice evn climbs.  Much Elevator input will cause a stall until you build up a half lap speed or so.  You can't use a crossspar on the edges or it wont work, like you said, the covering shrinks in and makes a great airfoil.  This is the biggest plane I've ever tried it on, but with the twin booms, I'm really not supporting that much weight on the outside.  Seems nice and tight anyway.

COG without the engines is about a 1/4" behind the back Lead out, so with 2 061's it should be at the front one or maybe right on the LE.  Don't really care though as long as it flies.  I built it as a "Man that is a cool looking plane" model instead of as a stunter (which I inevitably crash and bust into a million pieces)

As far as drag goes, my Green Giant (30+" span seen below) used the same airfoil and AP Wasp engine.  It was clocked by my best friend, who is a sheriffs deputy, at 48 mph at the beginnning of a tank and 53 mph at the end of the tank, so it runs PLENTY fast.



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Re: 1/2 A Twin (pics)
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2007, 09:06:17 AM »
Both planes look unusual with that air foil.  Is the rib air foil copy righted?  Also I think I would round the leading edge just a little.  How about a rib drawing?  Have fun,  DOC Holliday
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Re: 1/2 A Twin (pics)
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2007, 09:44:12 AM »
I sure hope it ain't copyrighted, since I'm gonna copy it for some experiments myself...

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Re: 1/2 A Twin (pics)
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2007, 05:18:41 PM »
I guess I should chime in here....................but I don't have an opinion on the airfoil....except...it'll fly.

But do be patient with it........frustration levels can run high trying to get both engines to go for the whole flight. And you have to watch pit/startup time as that can go on for two minutes or so while tacking the engines or whatever.
Flying it for sport will be less challenging that going for a timed stunt run.
BUT..........it'll be a lot of fun and adventure.

I for one would like to hear about your experiences starting it and flying it. Be careful of those props !
Frank Carlisle

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Re: 1/2 A Twin (pics)
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2007, 07:49:34 PM »
Listen to Frank...he's our multi-engine expert.

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Re: 1/2 A Twin (pics)
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2007, 07:53:27 PM »
no, the rib is not copyrighted.  I just do this for fun and found I can turn out a plane very fast with that pattern.  I have about 25 hrs total in that plane.

As for rounding the edge, does not seem to be necessary, so why mess with something that works?

Frank,  I'll definitely post up on the running.  Need to make another glow clip to speed up the process once the engines come in.  I'm excited, always wanted a twin, never went with it for some reaspn, but I got one now.  


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