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Insulated Control Lines
« on: June 24, 2010, 11:43:36 AM »
I want to try Clancy's U/Tronics on a 1/2a sized ship.  Question: what do you use for insulated lines that are not to draggy?  The smallest Brodack has is .012" (and I'm assuming that's the wire diameter only, with insulation it'll be even larger).

Thanks in advance,

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Re: Insulated Control Lines
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2010, 06:48:33 AM »
Hello Paul,
Take a look at this older thread
http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=14893.0

Steel wires are substantially more resistive than copper.
take care,
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Re: Insulated Control Lines
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2010, 12:55:11 PM »
I did a couple of sets for my Jenny, .021 and .018 (wire diameter). They were both about 90 ohms per wire for 68 ft. Since the current is low, there's not a lot of voltage drop. Perhaps Clancy might comment on what the current is.

The U-tronics has worked very well in the Jenny. I did use a Radio Shack 10K ohm audio taper pot (P/N 271-1721) instead of the slide pot included, which gave a smoother low end control.

Having the throttle adds a new dimension to electric flying for other than PA flying. I'm sure it will make 1/2A fun too. BTW, I made up my .021 lines with fishing leader purchased at a local tackle shop. My problem was the opposite, Brodak didn't have anything bigger than .018. The tackle shops go by the OD of the insulation, so you have to do a little research to get the actual wire diameter. Using the fish leader pounds-test number to compare wire size between insulated and uninsulated.

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Re: Insulated Control Lines
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 11:51:56 AM »
Thanks for the info guys.

I just got back from test flying my version of low drag insulated control lines.  Throttle control is awesome!! And, its so easy to add to ECL.  I'll be leaving my timer in the field box from now on.  Just the added safety factor (that emergency shut down switch in your hand) should entice everyone to give it a try.  Safe electric solo flying without a stooge.  No more smoked motors when the ESC fails to detect a stalled condition after a mishap.  Longer flight times and no dead stick landings, cool.  Thank you Clancy!

Here's the details of my control lines:  I still used my .008" braided steel control lines.  I stretched them out and loosely wound 36AWG (.005" dia) magnet wire around them (one turn every 6") then used a drop of BSI Super Gold foam safe odorless water thin CA glue every 6" or so to secure the wire to the control line.  Use foam safe glue, I read that regular CA will eat the insulation on the magnet wire.  At the ends I attached a small single pin and socket type of connector.  Any micro connector should do.  My total resistance - 31.7 ohms over 70' (35' x 2).  Voltage drop - .67 volts.  Current draw of my ESC - .021 amps.  Voltage out at the handle - 4.65 volts.  Voltage at the ESC under load - 3.98 volts.  (Yes, I have an oscilloscope).  The ESC probably is based on the old TTL voltage levels and should detect an input signal down to 2.5 volts.  36AWG wire used on 70' control lines should work OK.

I have to treat the lines a little more carefully as the insulation is very thin and easily scrapped off.  I have tested them by twisting them up a ridiculous amount and flexed the control surface up and down a zillion times - no wear detected and no short circuits.  In flight the additional drag was very low.  I'm guessing my insulated lines are about as draggy as .010" braided lines.  For larger airplanes and lines the added drag would be negligible.

Now that I know it works great, its time to get to work on making that perfect handle.

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Re: Insulated Control Lines
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 12:05:42 PM »
Thanks for the info guys.

I just got back from test flying my version of low drag insulated control lines.  Throttle control is awesome!! And, its so easy to add to ECL.  I'll be leaving my timer in the field box from now on.  Just the added safety factor (that emergency shut down switch in your hand) should entice everyone to give it a try.  Safe electric solo flying without a stooge.  No more smoked motors when the ESC fails to detect a stalled condition after a mishap.  Longer flight times and no dead stick landings, cool.  Thank you Clancy

Let's go over this one more time:

NEVER, EVER but NEVER fly without a STOOGE! (or a human substitute)

The dangers inherent in this idea are to many too list. Not a good idea!


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Re: Insulated Control Lines
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2010, 12:35:57 PM »
Caution understood.  Your right, I shouldn't mention anything but the safest practices.  That said, with Utronics throttle control the ESC isn't even armed until after the handle is in your hands and all preflight checks completed.  With a timer the ESC is armed as soon as the battery is connected.   I like the added safety of Utronics.
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Re: Insulated Control Lines
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2010, 07:46:35 AM »
That's correct. With the throttle control, the ESC is in airplane mode, the same as RC fliers use. The safe default in Castle ESCs require the throttle to be set to zero (I guess that's a 1 msec pulse width) before the ESC will arm and sound its tone.

A stooge will keep the airplane located until you are actually at the handle and release the stooge.  Then you can use the throttle to start the motor and taxi away.  I haven't figured out what all the failure modes are for this control combination, but I bet someone, somewhere will find a circumstance for having a runaway airplane.  The stooge is a good idea.

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