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Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« on: January 29, 2010, 04:36:32 AM »
Hello guys,
It doesn't say much in the manual.
What procedure should I follow?

Thanks,
Claudio.

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2010, 10:02:00 AM »
Not too difficult. Do it with the engine COLD.
Put the engine in a test stand and remove the plug.
Remove both valve covers.
Turn the crankshaft to TDC, both valves closed.
Insert a feeler gage (.002" to .004") between the rocker arm and valve stem.
It should be a gentle slip fit.
If not, loosen the jam nut and carefully turn the valve adjusting screw CW to decrease the clearance, ACW to increase.
When properly set, snug the jam nut and re-check the clearance. You may have to repeat the procedure.
Turn the crank back and forth approximately 45 degrees and if the gap increases, readjust until the max is .004.
Pour a generous quantity of oil over the valve gear, replace the valve covers.

I always set mine the the smaller clearance, .002.

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 07:45:04 AM »
Thanks very much for your reply Bob, I get it now.

Regards,
Claudio.

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2010, 01:11:44 AM »
Gee Willikers .

Thats 100 % variation.

Back in the dark ages , some set 'lash'-clearance by EAR .
(Talking about cars and motorcycles here )

Anyone listened to the 4 stroke / Satio vale gear by Stethiscope or rod . ?

Id always set clearances just firm on exhaust and just free on inlets,
theory, with hard use the temp 'grew' the Ex Valves. Ordinarily it was
Exhaust valves that burned ,A sharp ear on the driver would pick it.
Whistling exhaust pop.

Anyone trying 3 - angle valve seats or port work on the Satioos or other 4 strokes.
Every schoolboy?  could reprofile single cylinder cams ,after readiny " tuning for speed "
No problem having to get indentical profiles on every cylinder.Then theres ligtning the valve gear
AND , Elaborate (expensive?) valve springsSpring quality was an impediment to valve control / float etc.On pommy vehicals.

Hydraulic lifters on U.S. machinery were 'r.p.m. limiters , in the sence that they were designed to stop an engine reving past a resonable limit to ensure longivity / reliability .

High quality springs (progresive rate ?) should ease operational loadings and increase consistancy ,reliability and output .






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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2010, 06:46:34 PM »
Matthew: I hate to ask a stupid question but "What on earth are you talking about???????????????????????????????????????"
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Bob Z.
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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2010, 10:55:10 PM »
I set mine different than all of you. But, I will end it there.
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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2010, 12:22:32 PM »


I always set mine the the smaller clearance, .002.

Bob Z.
 


Could that be applied on the .56?  (.002 intake /.002 exhaust or .003 intake / .002 exhaust)

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2010, 01:25:39 PM »
Joe - just to be sure, check the operating handbook.
I may be wrong but I beleive all the SAITOs have the use valve clearance and setting procedure.

Bob Z.

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2010, 01:44:19 PM »
Joe - just to be sure, check the operating handbook.
I may be wrong but I beleive all the SAITOs have the use valve clearance and setting procedure.

Bob Z.

Thanks Bob.

I just checked, and your info is correct.  H^^

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2010, 04:55:37 PM »
Just FYI, years ago I bought a Saito 1.80 (R/C obviously!) from a friend.  He'd lost the manual, but I found all the specs on the Saito web site.  Good engines!

Paul

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2010, 02:42:01 PM »
The valve lash is very important on our little 4S engines.
Too tight and you may burn a valve due to incomplete closing.
Too loose and it will definitely be down on power.

And remember, ALWAYS drizzle oil over the valve train after setting the clearance. And, a few squirts in the breather nipple can't hurt. This will insure that the cam and gears are thouroughly coated.
Any excess will blow out.
I do this on every 4S engine I run - new or used.
Just plain motor oil or air tool oil is fine.

Bob Z.

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2010, 08:30:26 AM »
The confusers playing up so u missed another lengthy tirade !

Pushrods on a (stinking) hot engine should be rotateable (free)
when on the heel of the cam.(Off the lobe)for at least say 150 Deg
of cam rotation.

Actuation makes a noise.

A 'sounding rod' , std practise once , will let you hear em.
Say a pice of 1/8 dia steel rod , a foot long.

Place it on the cam box , and the rocker box.
other end adjacent to ear . NOT in the ear drum.
Dont trip / slip !

Correct adjustment shouldnt sound harsh.

HOT settings should have a slight clearance.

Burnt valves if not ancient are often caused by dirt on the seats.

The gas flow past hot seat tears it out.
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If you park your Masseratti Ghibli with the exhausts outside the garage doors,

you can use the same proceedure to 'sound' the valve 'Lash' .

Should NOT be bits being thrown about haphazardly, but controlled actuation

of free moving items.Horrible rattly noises are missadjustment or wear.


Like the old Triumphs that sound like a can of marbles.Worn followers and eratic clearances.
a well set one in good condition Doesnt. its rapsardous.Just needs a (piano?) tuners ear !

may require a long tube on ex. outlet ,dont get tangled in the airscrew. If you CAN hear them,
you can hear the lash,as in 'slack'.excessive slack would be a harder note.

Unless youve got progressive rate centreless ground Quality springs,to avoid mechanical collisions at wide(ish/er)) clearances.

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2010, 07:50:12 AM »
Please see my post:  "Reply #4 on: May 17, 2010, 06:46:34 PM"

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2010, 08:22:14 AM »
? 4 Strokes , 1 to produce the power. 3 to wear the engine out. , L.J.K. Setright.


? = minimising ineficiencies .

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2010, 11:31:57 AM »
Oh, yeah - he's a real genius! Quite possibly the stupidest statement I've ever heard.

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2010, 11:55:30 AM »
Hope there is no hard feelings getting started here.  Everybody has their way of doing things.  When I worked for my Uncle at Ray Smith Motors a mechanic would have a problem on a tune up.  My Uncle would reach in his desk drawer and grab this humonous screwdriver.  Hate to think of what screws it drove.  Then he would start working around the engine with that thing by putting it aginst different parts of the engine.  Then tell the mechanic which valve cover if not both and what valve to adjust.  Many a time tho he would tell the mechanic that he had just installed a bad plug, new out of the box. mw~ H^^
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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2010, 07:47:06 AM »
 Doc is correct on the Screwdriver. I still use one to find out where the noise is comming from. When it is loudest there is the problem.

 Bob, Matthew Spencer is saying pretty much the same thing. I had to go over his posts quite a few times to understand. Here is the difference. You are from the US. He is from New Zealand by the looks of his email address. I could be wrong.

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2010, 12:14:32 PM »
Oh, yeah - he's a real genius! Quite possibly the stupidest statement I've ever heard.

   I think that's a little over the top. You are underestimating people. I have seen far stupider by a long shot.  Matthews is interesting if a bit hard to follow, maybe a bit off topic, but not stupid.

  Just as a hypothetical example, stupid would be claiming that, say, a common ethnic exclamation - for example,  "Oy Vey" (or something like that) - was a racial slur.

   A neatly written, grammatically correct comment about a dumb concept is a lot dumber than a poorly-written, hard to follow comment with an interesting perspective.

    Brett

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2010, 09:10:28 AM »
One thing must be understood here - my comment WAS NOT directed at Mr. Spencer.   n1 n1

I was referring to the comment by LJK Setright, typical of what I considered nonsensical ramblings. He was an automotive journalist in the 70s as I recall, writing for either Road & Track or Car and Driver - can't remember which.
In any case, in my opinion, his column was droll, boring and in many cases just plain insulting. I and many of my friends (fellow car enthusiasts) wondered why the magazine would even hire him. Many of them thought that he seemed to enjoy stirring the pot without really contributing anything to the automotive world.

Once again, nothing negative toward Mr. Spencer.

Bob Z.

ps - I should have wrote: "In my opinion, one of the stupidest statements I've ever heard."

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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2010, 12:17:28 PM »
One thing to remember here is that as these little four strokes warm up, the cyl. expands top to bottom, and the valves get more clearance. When I got my first one, an OS 60 FS open rocker job, the instructions said to set the valves to 0 clearance, but be able to spin the push rod. My old Harley Sportster with solid lifters was set the same. I do set my later four strokes at about .002" just to be on the safe side though.
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Re: Saito 72: Valve adjustment, how to do it?
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2010, 12:19:04 PM »
Every 4 stroke engine, regardless of make or model or what it is powering,  should have the valves adjusted as follows: rotate the crankshaft until the exhaust valve just BEGINS to open, at this point you will adjust the intake valve to the manufacturer spec., then continue to rotate the crank until the intake valve just CLOSES, at this point adjust the exhaust. The point is to adjust each valve when the lifter for that valve is on the heel of the camshaft lobe. This is the recommendation for every camshaft manufacturer out there. I've been drag racing for 36 years, been adjusting this way all that time, NEVER once had a burned exhaust or intake, and never once had a valve way out of clearance when maintenance checking.
It is the most accurate method out there.


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