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Offline Andrew Borgogna

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Update on the real McCoys
« on: April 18, 2007, 09:28:26 AM »
Well it turned out my two .35s were really one .35 and one .29.  The .35 cleaned up very well to the point it is no longer a "Red Head".  Anyway I put it back together last night and fired it up.  It does run but its no barn burner.  The piston/cylinder combo is warn out and the crankshaft has lots of play in the bearing.  I contacted Scott Riese and he suggested I send him the engine for determine what can be done.  With a 10x6 wood Master Airscrew prop it would max out between 10 and 11K with a nice 4 stroke around 8500.  After the run there was little compression, this might get better after a few runs and some varnish starts to build up. 

I put the .29 in the pot last night and it is still cooking.  It was far more gummed up than the .35, in fact I had to let it cook for a couple of hours before I could free the crank shaft from the case.  I will put it together tonight and run it tomorrow.  I will let you all know what the outcome is.  Again thanks to everybody who responded to the original input.
Andy
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Re: Update on the real McCoys
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2007, 10:43:28 AM »
Andy,

You may be able to get a little compression back by running them with some all-castor fuel (~25%) so they can build up/replace the varnish seal on the piston.

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Re: Update on the real McCoys
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2007, 07:52:58 PM »
Andy; Here is the way I fix my McCoy engines and I am not the only one that does this. Remove the piston and mic near the top across the piston. Set the piston on an anvil, and start tapping the dome with a hammer, and keep checking with the mic. Do this very carefully as the pistons are very soft and can crack if you strike it to hard. When the piston is 1 and 1/2 to 2 tho. larger than when you started, stop, and lap the piston back to the cyl. with the finest polishing comp. you can find. Put it on the bench and break it in just as a new engine. When it is broken in you should see a 3/16" to 1/4" band at the top of the piston, that is very shiny. I have done several this way, and all of them are still running very well with good comp. Travel at you own risk.
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Re: Update on the real McCoys
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2007, 09:15:51 AM »
Jim
That is a very interesting way to expand a piston.  Not sure I am ready to go down that route yet.  I put the .29 back together last night and it seems to be a tight engine.  Good compression and there is no wobble on the crankshaft.  Even though it was the worst looking of the two, it clearly has less run time.  I want to run it on the bench tonight and get an idea of where it stands.  I think I will still send the .35 up to Scott Riese and have him see if there is anything he can do with it.

Thanks for the response.
Andy
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Re: Update on the real McCoys
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2007, 12:46:54 PM »
I think you will find that 29 to be a very stong engine as they have different porting than the 35 and like to run in a wet 2 stroke. It will also run a 2-4 but they do like to run fast. I have one that I put on my overweight Ringmaster, and it flew like a light weight. That was with 5% fuel, and a 10-5 APC prop. Do run at least 25% castor. Sounds like your 29 will be a good one.
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Re: Update on the real McCoys
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2007, 01:28:06 PM »
On and off the topic.....  ;D

The Red Head 29 and 35 are perfect candidates for the "Hybrid" treatment.  The boat anchor Series 21 dykes ringed sleeves and pistons drop perfectly into the 29 and 35.  Gives a somewhat longer lasting engine!  My hybrid 29 does the 4-2 dance superbly on my Super Clown! y1 (plus it weights less than the Series 21!)
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Re: Update on the real McCoys
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2007, 05:46:52 PM »
Ran the .29 last night after work.  Oh my, it is a keeper.  It would easily blow the drawers off the .35.  Speaking of which it is now in the hands of Scott Riese.  It really does prove you cannot judge a motor by it's appearance.  The .29 looked really bad compared to the .35 but it turned out to be a real find.  Now I need to get some high temp red paint to repaint the head.  The crock pot process complete destroys the red paint on the McCoy engines.  When I hear from Scott I will post an update on the .35.
Andy
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Re: Update on the real McCoys
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2007, 08:49:18 PM »
Ran the .29 last night after work.  Oh my, it is a keeper.  It would easily blow the drawers off the .35.  Speaking of which it is now in the hands of Scott Riese.  It really does prove you cannot judge a motor by it's appearance.  The .29 looked really bad compared to the .35 but it turned out to be a real find.  Now I need to get some high temp red paint to repaint the head.  The crock pot process complete destroys the red paint on the McCoy engines.  When I hear from Scott I will post an update on the .35.
Andy

Andy,  Get some Duplicolor Ford Red "engine" paint.  Plasticote makes it, also. I get mine at Auto Zone, but any of those type auto stores, plus Wally World, might have it.  Used on real auto engines, and it is about perfect color for the McCoys.  I have doen a BUNCH of them, and they have a green that matches the old K&B engines too!
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Re: Update on the real McCoys
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2007, 09:10:54 AM »
Having a soft spot for McCoy engines it a curse <LOL>.  Eddie told me (a number of years ago) about a gentleman that refurbished McCoy engines, but I have long since lost his name and address.  As per Ed, the piston was turned down close to the top and a steel band was installed on the piston.  The piston and cylinder were then lapped for a proper fit and broken in as per the norm.  Does anyone know his name and address? ???

Later,
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Re: Update on the real McCoys
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2007, 09:59:00 AM »
Andy,
I was at Scotts house this weekend when your engine arrived. Have you emailed him? We had a contest this weekend in Portland so not sure he had actually checked his email. You should see this guys collection of Mcoys, man,, everywhere you turn in his shop is another display case of mcoys! Your engine is in good hands, he is a lover of the red headed devils,,,, Now I have to send my .35 to him too for a general checkup (mine was at a yard sale, 5.00 on some combat wing with landing gear, ,lol)
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Re: Update on the real McCoys
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2007, 06:45:02 AM »
I have never had a mcoy..only foxes and enyas..how does the 35 stack up?

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Re: Update on the real McCoys
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2007, 10:33:38 AM »
My impression is that the McCoy 35 was a little more powerful than the Fox stunt 35, but I never actually flew them in comparable airplanes.  I liked my McCoy 35's but sold them of and kept the Foxes for the simple reason that one can get Fox parts.  I still have my McCoy 19's, which I think are even better engines than the 35s. 

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Re: Update on the real McCoys
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2007, 09:59:18 AM »
There was a thread a long time ago about making pistons expand by heating them.  Supposedly, if you do it right, it is enough to give even a very worn engine a second life!

John Wright is a serious advocate of dropping Series 21 gubbins into Red Head bottom ends.  He is Wright45 on SSW, if you want to talk to him.
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Re: Update on the real McCoys
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2007, 09:06:17 AM »
Somebody asked which is more powerful the McCoy or Fox.  I really think it depends on how luck you are when you get the McCoy.  I remember even back in the sixties no two McCoys were the same.  Some ran real strong others were dogs, but at the price we didn't care too much.  Most were good.  The .29 I have now seems stronger than the box stock Fox .35 I have in the Stuka.  But only swapping engines will prove that out.  I really should measure the mounting bolt pattern on the two engines as see if they are the same.  If they have the same bolt pattern I think I will do the swap just to see how they compare.
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