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Offline Bryan Higgins

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Univent Tank
« on: March 16, 2008, 06:28:22 PM »
Hello Modelers

I been studying the univent tank system.  And ordered one for a profile Cardinal im building
for my Dad.  As i understand the univent tank has it's own natural force of pressure as the
plane is going around in circles .  The vent that goes through the fuselage a little higher in
elevation than the tank top. Then turns forward on the inboard wing side, keeping the tank at
even pressure even when the fuel tank is low on fuel.

My question is on the various mufflers there is a pressure outlet on them.  Do i block this
fitting off or just leave it unhooked. ? I did not see any univent systems with muffler pressure
hooked up.

Can you guy's please help me with this problem ?  It's one i am confussed on .

                                                                         Thanks  Bryan  ???
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Re: Univent Tank
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2008, 07:04:55 PM »
Bryan,

Some guys use the uniflow tanks with muffler pressure, some without.  I run mine without muffler pressure, and have not tried them with muffler pressure.

On some planes it is possible that the forward facing uniflow vent will give slightly different pressure to the tank depending on changes in wind velocity; that is, the mixture will go slightly rich when the plane is going into the wind and slightly lean when going downwind.  If you have that problem you can even the run out by using muffler pressure or by installing a plastic 90* elbow fitting to the end of the uniflow vent.  The 90* fitting should point straight down to avoid putting slipstream pressure on the uniflow vent.

I am not sure there is an absolute "right" answer on this---too many variables.  Consider it another variable to be used when looking for the best run. Generally, muffler pressure reduces any "break" you might otherwise have.
 
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Re: Univent Tank
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2008, 12:11:20 PM »
Thanks Jim

So there are univent tank's setups somtimes to run on muffler pressure in some cases.  But most the time
a standard univent system works. 
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Re: Univent Tank
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2008, 03:00:04 PM »
The only term used for fuel tanks vented in this fashion is Uniflow.  You are using a term of your own that has no meaning, unless it would be for a tank without an overflow (those are capped after filling), a no-overflow tank would require the pitman to fill while the plane stands up on its nose, watching for fuel to come out the engine intake. 

The "standard venting" tanks remained open to atmospheric pressure, and as the fuel level dropped, the engine would lean out.  With the old engines that ran a 4-2-4 breaking engine run, this was an advantage in competition, as the latter maneuvers in the pattern get more difficult.  With a slightly lean setting, as might have been desired in gusty wind conditions, the final 8-10 laps might've been excessively lean, perhaps even to the point of pre-ignition. 

As single-speed engines became more popular, this speed-up at the end became even more undesirable, and that's what Uniflow is all about. 

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Re: Univent Tank
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2008, 04:50:41 PM »
Uniflow was invented by Edme Marriote of Dijon, France, in the 1600's.  Basically the engine thinks it is receiving fuel from the end of the uniflow and does not know that the fuel head is changing. Google Marriotte bottle, or Mariotte Siphon to learn more.   it works fine with or without muffler pressure. I use a one way valve when I don't run muffler pressure.  This isolates the tank from changes in outside pressure and prevents siphoning of fuel. 

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Re: Univent Tank
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2008, 02:02:31 PM »
Thanks - Jim and Ray

Now i have some understanding of what a Univent tank is and Does.  I am going to keep studying, have been
for two months while building two control line planes.  One for my Father and one for me.  It has been over
fifthteen years since we both flew last.
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Re: Univent Tank
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2008, 10:57:46 PM »
Bryan,

You pretty much have the idea, and with checking the sites Jim T suggests, you should have a better idea of how uniflow tanks work than most of us. What I've found is that if you are going to use muffler pressure - from the pressure tap nipple you mention - it may be more consistent to connect the muffler tap to the overflow vent line than to the uniflow vent line.

The pressure drop effect from unpressurized uniflow venting is definite, but not very big. Muffler pressure is also slight, but seems to be more than the pressure drop from open uniflow venting. (Of course it is; muffler pressure is positive, and the uniflow pressure drop isn't!) Passing muffler pressure into the "dry air"  space in the tank at least makes sure you're not blowing bubbles near the fuel pickup. Bubbles in the fuel pickup line can 'confuse' your setting, which you DON'T want.

Welcome back, both of you! CL is special - you have to cooperate with another modeler to fly. FF and RC can be done selfish and solo; CL cannot!
\BEST\LOU


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