News:



  • May 29, 2024, 03:16:43 AM

Login with username, password and session length

Author Topic: Uniflow on LA .25  (Read 915 times)

Offline John Castle

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Commander
  • ****
  • Posts: 174
  • The Bent Pin
Uniflow on LA .25
« on: March 31, 2010, 10:11:06 AM »
This is my first attempt at a uniflow tank. I have an LA .25 mounted on a Shark 402 with a 3oz. uniflow tank. I guess my question is do I use the muffler pressure or do I leave the uniflow vent open. I am curious as to what is working for other people.

Thanks,
John
John Castle
McMinnville, Oregon 
AMA# 589650

Offline Jim Thomerson

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 2087
Re: Uniflow on LA .25
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2010, 01:11:53 PM »
I would use muffler pressure.  If one is going to carry the weight, and possibly power loss of a muffler, one should get some good out of it as well. S?P

Offline ray copeland

  • 24 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 871
Re: Uniflow on LA .25
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2010, 03:56:45 PM »
John, it works well both ways for me , i have a mix of tube mufflers and tongue mufflers. Some seem to run better on suction and some better on pressure. I would say the run on muffler pressure may be a little more consistent but sometimes with a slight lean out towards the end of the tank. My advice is to try it both ways and see which one you like the best, the needle will need to be leaned a little when you switch to pressure from suction.
Ray from Greensboro, North Carolina , six laps inverted so far with my hand held vertically!!! (forgot to mention, none level!) AMA# 902150

Offline Kim Mortimore

  • 2013 Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 621
Re: Uniflow on LA .25
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2010, 06:05:25 PM »

John, A factor that may be more important is tank height.  If your engine changes speed during inverted flight and outside maneuvers, you might need to raise or lower your tank.
Kim Mortimore
Santa Clara, CA

Offline John Castle

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Commander
  • ****
  • Posts: 174
  • The Bent Pin
Re: Uniflow on LA .25
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 06:37:03 PM »
Really dumb question time... Prepare yourself.... When one says to raise or lower a tank on a profile plane do they mean to raise it in relation to the ground or raise it in relation to the profile fuselage?  ???  ???


John
John Castle
McMinnville, Oregon 
AMA# 589650

Offline Jim Thomerson

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 2087
Re: Uniflow on LA .25
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 08:13:50 PM »
They mean raise it or lower it in relation to the position of the hole in the spraybar.

Offline Kim Mortimore

  • 2013 Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 621
Re: Uniflow on LA .25
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 09:07:15 PM »

John, There are no really dumb questions, and this is the place to ask.  For everyone who asks a "dumb" question, there are plenty of others reading the forum who may have the same question, or may realize they misunderstood how something works until you asked.  So you do a service by asking. 

How are we doing on the tank height question?  Is that enough for now or do you want to go into it more?  And of course you can always come back to a question later.

Kim
Kim Mortimore
Santa Clara, CA

Offline John Castle

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Commander
  • ****
  • Posts: 174
  • The Bent Pin
Re: Uniflow on LA .25
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2010, 09:28:05 PM »
I'm pretty sure I know the answer but...... >:D Every direction you move the tank is in relation to the position of the hole in the spraybar.
John Castle
McMinnville, Oregon 
AMA# 589650

Offline Kim Mortimore

  • 2013 Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 621
Re: Uniflow on LA .25
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 10:07:47 PM »

OK, let's skip theory for now and move right to the practical.  Let's say you have the needle set where you like it for level flight--the engine is running steadily, the lap times are good (around 4.6 to 5.1 sec per lap for the 402), you have good line tension, everything seems OK.  Then if you go inverted or do an outside loop and the engine speeds up, it probably means that you need to adjust tank height.  With the plane standing upright on its wheels, try lowering the tank about 1/8", fly again and see what happens.  If the engine slows down during outsides/inverted, try raising the tank 1/8" (again with the plane standing upright on it's wheels), fly again and see what happens.  (We'll leave the "why" for later).  If 1/8" helps but isn't enough, try another 1/8" until you get a reasonably steady run everywhere. 

I notice you have a nonadjustable tank mount strap, which is why I brought it up.  Foam double-stick tape along with rubber bands or tie wraps make adjustment possible.  There are also solder-on slotted metal tank brackets that go on the front and back of the tank and allow a 4-40 bolt in each slot to be loosened while the tank height is adjusted.  (Brodak has them).  I just took a look at my S-402 and there isn't a lot of room for slotted brackets.  I would suggest flying it first.  Maybe you will get lucky and no height adjustment will be needed!   #^  (We need a four leaf clover happy face for luck.

Also, speaking of my S-402, the controls are very sensitive.  The elevator is large, and not a lot of control movement is required.  Mine balances at 1/4" in front of the spar, has about 20 degrees of Up, 20 degrees Down, and it turns fast.  I would recommend that you start with the pushrod in the lowest hole on the control horn for your first flights to make sure it isn't difficult to fly due to oversensitive controls.  And keep us posted on your progress.

Kim
Kim Mortimore
Santa Clara, CA

Offline John Castle

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Commander
  • ****
  • Posts: 174
  • The Bent Pin
Re: Uniflow on LA .25
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 10:19:36 PM »
Thanks Kim, Very helpful.  :)
John Castle
McMinnville, Oregon 
AMA# 589650

Offline Brett Buck

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 13761
Re: Uniflow on LA .25
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 11:04:00 PM »
This is my first attempt at a uniflow tank. I have an LA .25 mounted on a Shark 402 with a 3oz. uniflow tank. I guess my question is do I use the muffler pressure or do I leave the uniflow vent open. I am curious as to what is working for other people.

  I haven't run the LA, but I got more consistent results on the 20/25FP running no muffler pressure into the uniflow. Pressure would work, but about 10% of the time, it would take off lean about the time of the square 8, and stay that way. This was with several different engines and several different tanks. Without pressure, it was pretty much bulletproof.

      Brett

Offline Leo Mehl

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 1951
Re: Uniflow on LA .25
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2010, 05:17:11 PM »
I have seen them run both ways, but I run mine on uniflow so that it doesn't lean out at the end of the run. I am using it on a flight streak with a 10x4 APC prop. and the runs are flawless. The LA 25 is a really good engine that needs more praise than it really gets. HB~> HB~> HB~> H^^


Advertise Here
Tags:
 


Advertise Here