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Offline Larry Fulwider

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Tank with High Uniflow Pickup
« on: May 19, 2010, 06:05:22 PM »
On clunk tanks, I’ve had good success raising and lowering the uniflow inside the tank as an alternative to raising and lowering the entire tank. However, I’ve never tried that technique in a regular metal tank with a fixed pickup and fixed uniflow vent – well, because they’re soldered in, ya know.

Suppose you wanted a stunt ship with a conventional metal uniflow tank, but were concerned about tank height. Typical inverted engine installation; either lower the engine or build a new tank if it is rich inverted; as you can only shim one direction – down!
   What is wrong with moving the uniflow up a tad from the normal middle of the tank to start with? That is, build a tank that has the fuel pickup in the middle of the wedge (normal) with the uniflow a little above the fuel pickup. Say, .090 higher than center? Worst case, it is lean inverted, but heck, I can shim the tank down with no problem. In clunk tanks, I’ve had fixed uniflows higher than that, but, of course, the fuel pickup is moving in those cases.

I know, there are about 47 (probably better) ways to skin this cat, but what might keep my idea from working? Or does everybody do it that way and I didn’t know?

      Larry Fulwider

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Re: Tank with High Uniflow Pickup
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2010, 06:51:29 PM »
Larry   I just did that on my Tempest. We will see how it works this week.
Ed
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Re: Tank with High Uniflow Pickup
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2010, 07:05:45 PM »
   What is wrong with moving the uniflow up a tad from the normal middle of the tank to start with? That is, build a tank that has the fuel pickup in the middle of the wedge (normal) with the uniflow a little above the fuel pickup. Say, .090 higher than center? Worst case, it is lean inverted, but heck, I can shim the tank down with no problem. In clunk tanks, I’ve had fixed uniflows higher than that, but, of course, the fuel pickup is moving in those cases.

I know, there are about 47 (probably better) ways to skin this cat, but what might keep my idea from working? Or does everybody do it that way and I didn’t know?

    We do a lot of them that way. I built a tank for Uncle Jimby that had the wedge, pickup, and uniflow 1/4" from the top of the tank. Oh, and it went from 1" deep at the front to 1 3/4 at the back, and tapered in plan view as well. That's how you get 7 oz of gas in 4 3/4" long tank compartment. As long as you keep the wedge angle the same it runs just like a symmetrical tank.

    Brett

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Re: Tank with High Uniflow Pickup
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2010, 07:57:04 PM »
Yep  work perfectly just like movng the entire tank up or down, we have been doing that for years, It beats having to grind away motor mounts sometimes too!  ;D

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Re: Tank with High Uniflow Pickup
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2010, 08:31:24 PM »
Larry   I just did that on my Tempest. We will see how it works this week.
Ed

    We do a lot of them that way. I built a tank for Uncle Jimby that had the wedge, pickup, and uniflow 1/4" from the top of the tank.  . . .
    Brett

Ed, Brett –

Thanks! I was afraid I was overlooking something, as I had never seen this specific approach (in a non-clunk tank) published on any of the forums or columns. Your responses were indeed a pleasant surprise  :o  y1

Ed –
   Since we’re working with the same size hole (and about the same size tank) we’ll have to compare Saturday. I’m scratch building, so mine is (or will be) tapered ¼” front to back.
   Well, no excuse to delay now, time for the origami solder game. This should be a piece of cake – my first shot at using the Jim Lee tank bender. Might actually make some bends on the score lines for a change.  8)

       Larry Fulwider

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Re: Tank with High Uniflow Pickup
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2010, 09:07:00 PM »
The spraybar on my K&B 4011's ends up about 1 1/16 above the motor mounts.  On an inverted engine mount, I had room to move the metal tank, with uniflow in the usual place, down enough to line the uniflow up with the spraybar.  Worked fine.  On my Humongous, I used a one inch tank and put the uniflow against the top of the tank.  I was able to put a couple of thin shims under the tank.  It worked to perfection, except in a high wind, the engine  would wind up a little on the fourth and fifth outside loops.

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Re: Tank with High Uniflow Pickup
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2010, 04:43:25 AM »
I kept my answer short to Larry as we are flying today. Ted Fancher explained it to me back in 1987 and have used it many times since.
Ed
Locust NC 40 miles from the Huntersville field

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Re: Tank with High Uniflow Pickup
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2010, 08:10:39 AM »
    We do a lot of them that way.  . . .

 . . .  As long as you keep the wedge angle the same it runs just like a symmetrical tank.

    Brett

You mean kind of like this? Used a high uniflow vent, centered in wedge 3/8” from top of 1” tank, truncated 2 ½” from rear of tank (my first time for less than full length uniflow vent in a metal tank). Curved the fuel pickup around the end of the uniflow, keeping uniflow snug in the wedge. Also placed the pickup in the center of the wedge. However, centered the pickup vertically at the front of the tankTomorrow, we'll see how well it works.
   The Jim Lee tank bender works like a champ. Only problem was I marked the wrong side of the tin, so had to line up the fold lines inside the tank, then fold "backwards." It's dark in there, no matter how you do the lighting.

Ed's caveat: K&S copper tubing is rolled, not seamless, and can split along the seam line if not annealed / bent properly. Mine split (outside tank), sure enough! I'm not saying how I "fixed" the split  ::)

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Re: Tank with High Uniflow Pickup
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2010, 10:15:06 AM »
You mean kind of like this? Used a high uniflow vent, centered in wedge 3/8” from top of 1” tank, truncated 2 ½” from rear of tank (my first time for less than full length uniflow vent in a metal tank). Curved the fuel pickup around the end of the uniflow, keeping uniflow snug in the wedge. Also placed the pickup in the center of the wedge. However, centered the pickup vertically at the front of the tankTomorrow, we'll see how well it works.

   That might be OK, but the wedge angle on the bottom is shallower than the wedge angle on the top. if the angle is sufficient it will work, but I would be concerned that the shallow side will allow the fuel to run away from the pickup towards the end of the flight.

     Brett

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Re: Tank with High Uniflow Pickup
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2010, 11:18:35 AM »
   That might be OK, but the wedge angle on the bottom is shallower than the wedge angle on the top. if the angle is sufficient it will work, but I would be concerned that the shallow side will allow the fuel to run away from the pickup towards the end of the flight.

     Brett

OK, confession time.   :-[  I sketched the tank with equal angles top and bottom (which you did mention in the first response). Since the tank is tapered 1/4" front to rear, the score lines at the front and rear are, in effect, diagonals in tiny imaginary 3D rectangular boxes.
       High school trig, right? I did the top calculation first, copied the formula down, but changed only the vertical dimension, not the offset dimension. After bending on the score lines, the tank had a big "overbite" on the inboard "flat" side, and was far less than an inch thick. Naturally, I checked the cipherin' at that point, saw the error, and realized I could open the wedge fold a tad, sharpen the bottom fold a tad, and have equal "offset" top and bottom (after all, that was the actual trig calc), but not equal angles.

So, I decided to pretend it was intentional unless I got caught.  8)  I got caught.  :-[

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