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Offline Curare

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So confused over tanks!
« on: June 15, 2014, 08:20:44 PM »
AS is usually the way with me, I like to research things before I commit. In the instance of fuel tanks however, I'm thinking I might need to be committed.

I have a chipmunk that I'm ready to start assembling, and I've been thinking about tanks. As it is I have two choices, a brodak uniflow, or a small rc clunk (oval shaped) tank.

Obviously the brodak is already plumbed for uniflow, but I might have to make some changes to it, basically I want the overflow coming out the bottom of the tank, rather than out of the front, but apart from that it's a fixed, known quanity.

AS regards the RC tank, I've found multiple plumbing setups, all claiming to be the bee's knees for a stunt run.

First is the typical single clunk, and uniflow pipe to the outboard side of the tank, and rpm change upright/inverted is set by moving the uniflow pipe in the tank, rather than shimming the tank, sounds reasonable enough.

second is the "siamese clunk" (nicked from Al Rabe's mustunt on stuka stunt) where both fuel pickup and uniflow vent are connected together and float around as one. Wouldn't this make it impossible to adjust for rpm change inverted to upright? Does it even change?

Finally I found a post from Steve Moon that says he runs the vent to the forward inside corner of the tank and the pickup is exposed pretty much on launch. I take it this system is used with muffler pressure, and the resultant pressure head change is so mild that no rpm increase is noticable?

Which would be best for a LA 46 on muffler pressure?

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Re: So confused over tanks!
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2014, 08:53:49 PM »
I'm using a Hayes 4 ounce clunk tank, no uniflow, muffler pressure, on my current airplane.  It stays pretty consistent.

A Du-Bro rectangular tank set up for "hard" uniflow (not siamese clunk) has worked well, too.
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Re: So confused over tanks!
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2014, 09:07:42 PM »
Whats your shutoff like? Where's your vent in the tank on the non-uniflow?

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Re: So confused over tanks!
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2014, 10:07:55 PM »
Whats your shutoff like? Where's your vent in the tank on the non-uniflow?



Shutoff is about a lap or so of lean run, followed by a clean, no-nonsense engine cut (none of this "braaap ... braaap ... braap" nonsense).

The vent on a Hayes tank is about 1/4" down from the top, in the middle side to side.
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Re: So confused over tanks!
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2014, 10:18:53 PM »
"A Du-Bro rectangular tank set up for "hard" uniflow (not siamese clunk) has worked well, too."

That's also what's in my "Eagle" (.46VF with Nelson AAC and Randy Aero pipe). Runs good until is almost dry. It jumps about 1k+ rpm and starts hauling butt. Runs hard for two or three laps...a warning you can't possibly ignore.

One thing to remember is that if you get burping for multiple laps...you probably need to move your leadouts forward. It's yawing in-out-in-out, as it's running dry. Shimming out the aft end of the tank may also be required, but early in the trimming process, it might just be a tipoff on the leadout location being too far aft.   H^^ Steve
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Re: So confused over tanks!
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2014, 05:58:19 AM »
To install a clunk tank, you'll need to recess engine bearers or use thick aluminum pads to lower the engine. With a regular metal tank, the is nothing to raise/lower.

I am more comfortable with clunk tanks and after trying various combinations, settled on hard uniflow. When I was building the Chipmunk(from Umland kit) I went with metal uniflow all tubes forward and couldn't be happier with my decision. 10 years later, the engine run is still super consistent. I like the overflow to come out the bottom as well. That said, I don't like to be limited by the fixed location of where the overflow tube comes out of the tank. Instead, I mount an overflow exit tube somewhere convenient on the fuselage and then run a fuel line from the tank to the exit tube. Since I never run engines on pressure, this arrangement works perfectly. Over the years, I found that the most convenient exit location is on the side of the fuse. The tube comes out of the fuse and makes a 90 degree turn down. this way I can see clearly when the fuel starts to squirt plus it's super easy to cap.

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Re: So confused over tanks!
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2014, 09:28:59 AM »
I have been running a uniflow clunk(not siamese) on my ARC Cardial with the uniflow halfway down the outboard side of the tank. I put a 90 deg. bend on the outside uniflow tube so it would be easy to raise and lower the height of the inside part easier...without un rubber banding the tank to get to the outside tube with pliers. Problem is the uniflow height is almost at 1/2" above the spraybar and it still goes rich on inverted. WORST case it could be as it is going rich at the topp of the verts and hourglass. I have removed the clunk and put a brodak 4 oz uniflow like you are talking albout. the only reason I didn't in the first palce is I thought the LA 46 would use more fuel but 4 ozs is getting me through the pattern with 3 or 4 laps to spare. Anybody know why with the uniflow that high above the bar (upright) it still goes rich on inverted? This set up worked great for a month and then slowly started giving me crap. As soon as the wind stops blowing I will give the metal tank a go and see...still on the fence aobut tanks just like you are...

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Re: So confused over tanks!
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2014, 03:23:07 PM »
Sorry, can't help you there. I know Bob Hunt has suggested tweaking the uniflow tube but the one time I tried, I buggered the tube with pliers and decided that I can do less damage with shims. I shim clunk tanks the same way as I shim metal ones.

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Re: So confused over tanks!
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2014, 04:00:06 PM »
That's why I put a bend on the exposed part of the uniflow tube where the tubing hooks up. I just bent it at 90 deg paralell to the centerline so you just grab it with your fingers and raise or lower by twisting up or down. I too have crushed the tube with pliers but the bend fixed that...then the tubing could either go to the muffler for pressure or tuck behind the engine or to a bent tube thru the fuse into clean air. Maybe i should just try shimming the whole tank up or down though...hell...i'll try anyhting once >:D


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