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Offline Jack Mulinix

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REDO ON OS MAX 46 SF ABC
« on: September 14, 2010, 02:15:41 PM »
Ok, went back and looked at the engine catalog in the box. Did'nt reliese that the sf was also a c/l offering. So I have an OS 46 SFabc r/c engine and am thinking about making a stunt engine out of it. Are nva and venturi's available for this set up? Will they run ok? Or just leave it alone? Thanks, Jack

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Re: REDO ON OS MAX 46 SF ABC
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2010, 07:33:24 PM »
I was thinking the same thing I have two 46 pumpers, Dont know if the timing would be right, this was a power house on a pipe.

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Re: REDO ON OS MAX 46 SF ABC
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2010, 07:39:46 PM »
Ok, went back and looked at the engine catalog in the box. Did'nt reliese that the sf was also a c/l offering. So I have an OS 46 SFabc r/c engine and am thinking about making a stunt engine out of it. Are nva and venturi's available for this set up? Will they run ok? Or just leave it alone?

     I haven't personally owned one, but I have spent a fair bit of time helping others with theirs.

    Straight out of the box, with the muffler outlet opened up as much as it can be without cutting off the nipple (we used a Fox prop reamer, right there in the grass in a contest), and typical 46VF props like a 11-4 3-blade or a 12-4 2-blade, it runs very nicely in a constant rich 2 with a lot of power.

    I was also very impressed with the Randy-modified version as a 4-2 break motor. One of the San Diego crew ran it a slightly-cut down Cardinal and I thought the engine was about as strong as an average ST60, although maybe not a really strong ST60. If you aren't into some development work that might be required for the stock engine, this would be my recommendation.

    The knock that you will hear (and I am sure there are 4 people typing this right now) is that it's heavy. That may be, but within reason I wouldn't choose engines based on weight.

     Brett

 

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Re: REDO ON OS MAX 46 SF ABC
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2010, 07:52:21 PM »
The stunt version had a different crank with about 14 deg less duration. The stunt crank has an S stamped on the counter weight.

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Re: REDO ON OS MAX 46 SF ABC
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2010, 11:38:25 PM »

If my OS Catalog is not wrong this engine is quite light with 312g,  8g lighter then an ST G51.


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Re: REDO ON OS MAX 46 SF ABC
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 07:27:13 PM »
Thanks for your input on this. So what would the timing do, want to run more on top, no low end grunt. But I guess parts can be had for this.

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Re: REDO ON OS MAX 46 SF ABC
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 09:11:09 PM »
R/c crank - big prop - run away. R/c crank small prop, no run away. Stunt crank big prop - no run away. How do you want to run it?

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Re: REDO ON OS MAX 46 SF ABC
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2010, 09:25:51 PM »
Well, since I'm a rookie, I really don't know. What is a run a way? Going lean and screamin? I know the motor runs good as is, guess a crank and nva, venturi  is less expensive than a new engine.

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Re: REDO ON OS MAX 46 SF ABC
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2010, 09:51:12 PM »
R/c crank - big prop - run away. R/c crank small prop, no run away. Stunt crank big prop - no run away. How do you want to run it?

    My version of the RO-Jett 61 has a crank from a quickie 500 engine, and the timing on the 40/46VFcrank is pretty similar. And widening the crank timing on "stunt" cranks was a pretty popular modification for several engines back in the mid-90's. The effect is to smooth out the power delivery in the range of interest. Not that surprising since you want stunt engines to run in the 11000-12000 rpm range in the air. That's not particularly fast by racing standards, but you don't want a "chugger", either.

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Re: REDO ON OS MAX 46 SF ABC
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2010, 10:12:09 PM »
Thanks guys, now when talking timing, must be the window, or valve opening in the crank? And do you measure that as opens @ x bbdc and closes @ x btdc.

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Re: REDO ON OS MAX 46 SF ABC
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2010, 11:28:24 AM »
The stunt version had a different crank with about 14 deg less duration. The stunt crank has an S stamped on the counter weight.


Correct, They did that because if you have a lot of crank timimg..as in a bigger port..  the motor runs ratty many times and you see much fuel blowing out of the top of the venturie, makes for a ratty running motor, The only cure is to advance and lower the crank timing , or to increase the RPMs of the motor

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Re: REDO ON OS MAX 46 SF ABC
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2010, 01:28:41 PM »

Correct, They did that because if you have a lot of crank timimg..as in a bigger port..  the motor runs ratty many times and you see much fuel blowing out of the top of the venturie, makes for a ratty running motor, The only cure is to advance and lower the crank timing , or to increase the RPMs of the motor

   And, in the extreme case, it will want to or be able to run backwards at substantial speeds. The crank timing is the only thing that creates a preferred direction. go too far and it will happily run in either direction.  Nothing like, say, a piped 51, pumped to the gills, firing up and running backwards at 10,000 rpm. Better be holding on tight! 

   Just like anything else, the stunt flyer's maxim -  "if a little is good a lot is better" - will get you into trouble.

    Brett


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