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Offline Andrew Tinsley

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OS Max 15
« on: December 07, 2013, 03:26:22 AM »
Hello All,
            I have just been given an OS Max 15 S in quite reasonable condition. It is complete with the venture restrictor, but no NVA . Anyone happen to know the diameter of the FP 15 NVA assembly that Tower is selling? Looks as though it might fit, rough diameter of the hole in the venturi is approx. 0.33 inch diameter.

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Re: OS Max 15
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2013, 06:59:40 AM »
Oh dear! The diameter of the hole for the NVA assembly is 0.135" NOT 0.33" , a senior moment I am afraid!

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Re: OS Max 15
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2013, 10:03:49 AM »
I do not have one, but I think it is 3.5mm and stepped down to 3.0mm.
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Re: OS Max 15
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2013, 03:58:28 PM »
Thanks Aki,
Looks as though it might well fit from your dimensions.

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Re: OS Max 15
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2013, 06:30:47 PM »
0.135" is a very funny number—particularly when comparing metric and imperial measurements. 3.5mm is 0.138"—the OD of the current OS factory NVA for the FP 20–40 and the LA46 engines.

If I remember correctly, the standard OS NVA for the FP 15 was 3mm, 0.118" OD. However, it may have been 0.125"—3.2mm. It's some time since I measured it.

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Re: OS Max 15
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2013, 09:21:48 PM »
The battery in my caliper is dead, but I can say with certainty the Max 15 and FP 15 used different NVAs.  I'm pretty sure the 15 FP spray bar is the same diameter as the 20-40FP-S spray bar, with the part through the venturi turned thinner.  The Max 15 spray bar is a constant diameter.  Without actually trying to install a 15 FP needle in a Max 15, I would expect it won't fit without drilling the case/venturi. 




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Re: OS Max 15
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2013, 03:13:08 PM »
The FP 15 NVA, Part No. 2171 1000, measures 0.123" OD and is parallel. As far as I know, the only FP NVA that's turned down across the venturi opeining is the FP 10 part which I think was taken from the 10 FSR.

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Re: OS Max 15
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2013, 06:35:16 PM »
The FP 15 NVA, Part No. 2171 1000, measures 0.123" OD and is parallel. As far as I know, the only FP NVA that's turned down across the venturi opeining is the FP 10 part which I think was taken from the 10 FSR.


Weird.  The 15FP-S spray bar in my spare parts bin is stepped, as is the one pictured on Towers website.  Maybe they've changed since...

« Last Edit: December 10, 2013, 03:58:37 PM by Andrew Hathaway »

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Re: OS Max 15
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2013, 03:38:12 AM »
The FP 15 NVA, Part No. 2171 1000, measures 0.123" OD and is parallel. As far as I know, the only FP NVA that's turned down across the venturi opeining is the FP 10 part which I think was taken from the 10 FSR.

Sorry, the picture is very small because it is not mine.
There is a very little step.
Aki

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Re: OS Max 15
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2013, 03:46:57 PM »
Hello Geoff,
I just rechecked the diameter of the hole in the crankcase and it is indeed .135" Maybe the restrictor hole is a little smaller, but the restrictor is stuck tight and will need some gentle persuasion to rotate it. At the moment it is partially aligned with the crankcase hole, so I can't measure it.
0.135" rings a bell somewhere, maybe it was on Len Neumann's site where he is selling NVAs. Yes! I just checked there and he is selling 0.135" diameter OS NVA assemblies suitable for FP 20 - 40 engines. This is odd as I would expect that the nearer NVA would be for the FP 15 which Tower carries but gives no dimensions for!
  Here was I thinking it was a simple question! Maybe it is, but the answer seems complicated. I will loosen up the venture restrictor and check that the FP20 venturi fits. I never gave it a thought that it would. I assumed the NVA would have a smaller diameter. If it fits then I will give it a run or two and see how it behaves.

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Re: OS Max 15
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2013, 04:06:14 PM »
When they were new, they came with a large and small venturi insert.  Even with the small insert they put out a lot of power for their size/weight.  They're not as powerful as the 15 FP, but more than most vintage 15s.  I've got one on a very overweight Akromaster, with an 8-4 prop, 5% nitro fuel, and 57' lines it runs a low 4 second lap time without breaking a sweat.  You might want a thicker spray bar to choke down the intake. 

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Re: OS Max 15
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2013, 05:44:06 PM »
Given the interest and the apparent discrepancy, I just checked my FP 15 NVA again. The part number I quoted is correct and there is no step in the OD of the one that I have.

Andrew T, I started designing tooling for German-made machines in metric back in about 1973 because I found it frustrating to spend ages converting simple numbers to funny-looking imperial dimensions, so I prefer to think in whole numbers. The screws that OS use to hold in the carburettors on FP 20–40 and LA 46 are M3.5 so the hole is a small clearance on that. I don't know about the 15s as I don't have any and my FP 10 was bought as a CL engine.

I find it much easier to remember 3.5mm and 4.0mm for ST-type and Enya NVAs than to try and remember the inch dimensions.

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Re: OS Max 15
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2013, 03:47:10 PM »
Hello Geoff,
I am of an age where metric or imperial is just fine. I specified the hole diameter as 0.135" because this is a US control line forum and a lot of the guys here are imperial fans! No other reason! Personally I find that when I am doing an engineering sketch, I tend to mix metric and Imperial measure. That usually goes down a bomb!

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Re: OS Max 15
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2013, 04:22:51 AM »
I got around to fitting the FP20 NVA, so yes it did fit without any mods and yes it worked fine on the test stand. Seems odd, but there you are another old engine saved for reuse!
I will have to build something for it, any ideas? Not another Peacemaker though! I shall have to either build quicker or stop accumulating engines! My children will probably dump all my kit when I am gone. So I have started tagging all my engines with some values. maybe that will make them think twice.

Happy Christmas everyone!

Andrew.
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Re: OS Max 15
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2013, 05:39:57 AM »
should be ok in a Goodyear for a teach the children if you fit two elevators and they go up & down . Then itll do loops and inverted .


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