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Offline frank mccune

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ST G 21/.35 for stunt use?
« on: June 03, 2020, 10:14:06 AM »
     Hi All

      As many of us have a ST G21 .35 engine left over from our Days of Combat.  These engines were very fine engines and many had improvements made like chrome, good bearings,etc.  m
My question ic, what do you think about using these engines for Stunt?  I guess that one turning an 11-4 in a wet two cycle may be a viable Stunt engine.

       A mate of mine brought one to the field Monday, in a new Stunt plane but to high winds, he did not get a chance to fly it.  I will keep you apprised of his progress.  He also flies a large stunt plane with a Fox mk 6 for power.  It flies very well but as you may have guessed, a bit fast for my likes.  He likes to fly fast! Lol


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Re: ST G 21/.35 for stunt use?
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2020, 12:10:38 PM »
We could saw off the back of your Ferrari and make it a pickup.

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Re: ST G 21/.35 for stunt use?
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2020, 02:18:40 PM »
Wasn't that Bob Baron's power source when he was on top of stunt?   

It's not all that different from the ST/G21 40's and 46's.  I ran about six of 'em to death in combat.  I would say, I you've still got a good one, go for it.  What I can't figure is why anybody would still have a healthy G21 35.
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Re: ST G 21/.35 for stunt use?
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2020, 07:02:46 PM »
I built 2 of them  back last century with  baffled pistons, lower compression heads, and  .165 venturis, ran  great, and had  goo power

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Re: ST G 21/.35 for stunt use?
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2020, 07:34:14 PM »
Hello
I ran one in a Sig Mustang many years ago and it had a much better run with more power then my OS 35's that I was used too. Flew well on a 10x6 but better again with a lower pitch 11" prop.
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Re: ST G 21/.35 for stunt use?
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2020, 08:02:38 PM »
Wasn't that Bob Baron's power source when he was on top of stunt?   

     No, the two times I saw him plausibly "on top of stunt"  - 81 TT and 96 NATS - he used an OS 45FSR and either a prototype Stalker 61 or an ST60, depending on who you ask.

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Re: ST G 21/.35 for stunt use?
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2020, 11:39:09 AM »
Wasn't that Bob Baron's power source when he was on top of stunt?   

It's not all that different from the ST/G21 40's and 46's.  I ran about six of 'em to death in combat.  I would say, I you've still got a good one, go for it.  What I can't figure is why anybody would still have a healthy G21 35.

     What I remember Bob Baron using one of these in was one of his published articles for a version of the Humbug, and used a 4 inch pitch prop. Somewhere in the middle 70's t mid 80's, I guess. It was the first written mention of the high rpm, low pitch prop set up to counter wind up that I can remember.
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Re: ST G 21/.35 for stunt use?
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2020, 12:00:46 PM »
     What I remember Bob Baron using one of these in was one of his published articles for a version of the Humbug, and used a 4 inch pitch prop. Somewhere in the middle 70's t mid 80's, I guess. It was the first written mention of the high rpm, low pitch prop set up to counter wind up that I can remember.

  Wild Bill was well ahead of everyone  on this one, he was talking about essentially the same effect in the 50's. You didn't really have engines up to the task until the late 70's.

    Baron also used a Veco 19 and a 9-4 or 10-4, as did several WAM stalwarts (Fancher, the McClellans, and the Fitzgeralds), the latter for WAM "A" Stunt, in the early-mid 70's. They didn't really apply it or realize the implications of it until after Hunt demonstrated it on a larger scale.

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Re: ST G 21/.35 for stunt use?
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2020, 03:29:55 PM »
  Wild Bill was well ahead of everyone  on this one, he was talking about essentially the same effect in the 50's. You didn't really have engines up to the task until the late 70's.

    Baron also used a Veco 19 and a 9-4 or 10-4, as did several WAM stalwarts (Fancher, the McClellans, and the Fitzgeralds), the latter for WAM "A" Stunt, in the early-mid 70's. They didn't really apply it or realize the implications of it until after Hunt demonstrated it on a larger scale.

    Brett

     The first one he published with the lead in by Wild Bill was the one with the Veco .19, and I think he  flew one of those at an early VSC that I attended. But I have a memory of reading another article on maybe a later one where he used the combat ST.35 . I'll have to think about this a long time before making an attempt to find the magazine. I think I have plans for the one I'm thinking of and maybe that will shorten the search.
     But not tonight! There is a Marx brothers marathon on Turner Classic Movies tonight!!
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Re: ST G 21/.35 for stunt use?
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2020, 04:05:56 PM »
     But not tonight! There is a Marx brothers marathon on Turner Classic Movies tonight!!

     Glad to see you have your priorities in order.

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Re: ST G 21/.35 for stunt use?
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2020, 05:06:31 PM »
Bob Barron's G.21 .35 model published was the "PA-8". Ugly, upright engine, trike gear, twin fins, 11-4 prop. "Not my cuppa tea", as Schultzie would have written.  :'( Steve
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Re: ST G 21/.35 for stunt use?
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2020, 06:03:45 PM »
Bob Barron's G.21 .35 model published was the "PA-8". Ugly, upright engine, trike gear, twin fins, 11-4 prop. "Not my cuppa tea", as Schultzie would have written.  :'( Steve


   Hi Steve;
    Got a ball park idea of when it was published and in what magazine?  I haven't had the chance to look and don't really know where to start, but would like to reread the article again. I was still learning Fox .35's at that time and remember being astounded that some one would use a combat engine in a stunt model and didn't understand the concept.
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Re: ST G 21/.35 for stunt use?
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2020, 07:06:42 AM »
Glared at the C 35 PDP to see the SPI . Aint got none . looks like could be factory fitted 20 thou steel shim / gasket , under the liner flange .
About twice the necesary depth , but got us thinking regarding muffled 35s , C & 21 series .

Anyone know if this deck shim under the liner flange is a factory part ? .

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Re: ST G 21/.35 for stunt use?
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2020, 07:57:03 AM »
     Hello All:

     The reason that I brought this subject to your attention was there are a few former Combat engines that are in great nick that are languishing in storage.

       I tried  G21/35 circa 1980 as a stunt engine and was quite impressed.  I ran it in a wet two cycle mode and it ran very well.  This engine was chromed and fitted with very low time on it.  One of my mates flies a large stunter powered with a late Fox Combat Special.  It flies very well.  He is pleased with this combination.

     The trend nowadays, is to use large flat pitched props and run them in a wet two cycle.  This sounds like a job for a Combat.35 from yesteryear.  Let us see, G21/35 vs OS LA .46? I am sure that the ST would be a superior engine, ball bearings and more power.  I think that the weights are equal.

       Just a thought.

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