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Offline t michael jennings

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How much Engine Offset?
« on: February 26, 2010, 10:19:42 AM »
Gentlemen,

What is the current amount of Engine Offset being used by the top contenders on their aircraft?

Is the same Engine Offset used for a 0.40 thru 0.75 cubic inch engines?

Is anyone using 0.0 degree Engine Offset?


Thanks for your advice.

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Re: How much Engine Offset?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2010, 10:37:05 AM »
on my sv22 I'm using 0 offset on the engine and rudder. using a PA51.
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Re: How much Engine Offset?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2010, 10:55:07 AM »
Though not a top flyer, I generally put just enough downthrust to insure there is no upthrust and just enough offset to insure that there is no inset (if that makes sense). I go for a 1/4 degree of both downthrust and offset. When measured, it's very close to 0-0.
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Re: How much Engine Offset?
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2010, 02:19:53 PM »

Is the same Engine Offset used for a 0.40 thru 0.75 cubic inch engines?

Is anyone using 0.0 degree Engine Offset?

Is the same Engine Offset used for a 0.40 thru 0.75 cubic inch engines?     Yes
Is anyone using 0.0 degree Engine Offset?    I think thats what most of the "Experts" are using, but keep in mind you need adjustable lead outs, and sometimes adjustable rudder to get it trimmed out.  Starting with my last project, I built in 1° engine downthrust, 1° positive incidence on the stab,  and just enough engine  offset to insure its doesnt have any inset...  working good so far.  
Disclaimer: also not a top flyer.  
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Re: How much Engine Offset?
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2010, 06:07:00 PM »
I used to think that most of the top flyers used a 0-0 setup, and was much surprised when I got a set of plans for the Chinese Skywriter, which won the World Champs a couple of times in the late 80's.  Those plans show 3 degrees of engine offset (side-mounted .60 engine).  

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Re: How much Engine Offset?
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2010, 01:40:50 AM »
I used to think that most of the top flyers used a 0-0 setup, and was much surprised when I got a set of plans for the Chinese Skywriter, which won the World Champs a couple of times in the late 80's.  Those plans show 3 degrees of engine offset (side-mounted .60 engine).

     0 to about a couple of degrees is common. All of my airplanes have a touch, enough to be visible. Of all the "line tension fudges" engine offset is by far the least damaging, and gives a little robustness for slightly-off trim.

   3 deg on the Skywriter seems OK to me. I heard that the airplane flies extremely well.

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Re: How much Engine Offset?
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 12:00:22 PM »
Yup, you got it right. Two world champs told me the same...use just enough outboard offset to insure that you have no INBOARD offset.

Guess what I do?


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Re: How much Engine Offset?
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2010, 05:15:42 PM »
Well,

I tried to get 1 degree of offset on my well flown Intrepid but it actually ended up with about .25% of inset.  It doesn't hurt it's flying ability one bit!

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Re: How much Engine Offset?
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2010, 04:27:49 PM »
Mr. Powell,

What method do you use to get down thrust?

I seem to remember several years ago, there was a plastic wedge product that came in 1-2-and 3 degrees.  It was used on profile models for engine offset.

Are the wedges still on the market?

How should one get 1/4 degree down thrust on their engine?

Thanks for the info.


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Re: How much Engine Offset?
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2010, 07:20:09 PM »
Mr. Powell,

What method do you use to get down thrust?

I seem to remember several years ago, there was a plastic wedge product that came in 1-2-and 3 degrees.  It was used on profile models for engine offset.

Are the wedges still on the market?

How should one get 1/4 degree down thrust on their engine?

Thanks for the info.


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Re: How much Engine Offset?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2010, 10:44:42 PM »
Sams Hobby has the plastic wedges you remember.  It seems about a buck and a half or so.

Over .40, I have not been using engine offset but have, in some cases, added rudder offset.  I found that on a "porky" plane with a .40 at about 44-47 oz. can get real "loose" at the tops of some inside loops when flying a little slower lap times.  When that happens, the plane has no line tension and sort of goes where it wants.  Not a good thing.  A little rudder offset will "coax" it to fly away from you when it "gets loose" so you still have some slight tension.  This happens to me at anything over about 5.2 sec lap times.  At 5 sec. lap times there is not so much an issue but I don't always "hit it just right."

The down side, of course, is that more yaw gives more "surging" of the engine at the end of the run so there is no sharp engine cut off. 

Please bear in mind that I am by no mean a great flyer but because of that, I have built and "tweaked" a number of planes.
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