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Offline Larrys4227

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Fox Engine Question
« on: September 26, 2008, 05:51:52 AM »
On my trip last week to Mass, I went through a bunch of my dads old stuff and came across several C/L engines. One of them is a Fox engine. I've had it apart and this thing is in new condition .... maybe a couple of runs.

It looks to be a 35-size, but am unsure. There are only 2 markings on the engine. One is "FOX" molded into the side of the case. The other is "29", but this is die-stamped between the two mounting holes on one side. The other thing is that the glow plug is offset .... meaning it does not come straight out from the head. Its also got a steel sleeve and bushings all around.

Hope this is enough info to identify .... will attempt to fly this weekend in a FS.

FlySafe!  Larry (Larrys4227)

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Re: Fox Engine Question
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2008, 07:13:51 AM »
It sounds like the Fox 29 that I have on a Flite Streak.  I believe they were built in the 70's, but someone who is more knowledgeable can tell you for sure.  I run a 10-5 prop with 29% oil in the fuel.  Mine does a nice wet 2 stroke and pulls a Streak very well.
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Re: Fox Engine Question
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2008, 12:46:30 PM »
Larry,

Other ID marks:

Backplate held on with 4 bolts? (Stunt 35 has 3.)

Venturii pretty tall, with the front edge shaved down to face the airstream in flight? (Stunt 35 has a very small intake right up against the casting where the cylinder shape rises toward the head.)

Weighs near 8 ounces? (Stunt 35s weigh around 6.5 oz.)

Russell's suggestions sound good for the 1970's .29 and .36 - which sounds like what you have. Some of the 36s were considered shakers until well broken in...
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Re: Fox Engine Question
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2008, 01:28:04 PM »
Larry,
Does it look like this?
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Re: Fox Engine Question
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2008, 02:02:44 PM »

It looks to be a 35-size, but am unsure. There are only 2 markings on the engine. One is "FOX" molded into the side of the case. The other is "29", but this is die-stamped between the two mounting holes on one side. The other thing is that the glow plug is offset .... meaning it does not come straight out from the head. Its also got a steel sleeve and bushings all around.

Hope this is enough info to identify .... will attempt to fly this weekend in a FS.

Back in 1974, Fox stopped making the NB version of the 36X, and introduced two new engines.  One was a BB version of the 36X, with Schneurle porting, and a bald cylinder head.  The other was the Sport 36, intended to fit some assorted local contest rules that mandated a plain bearing shaft, such as the pre-AMA versions of Slow Combat, in some regions. 

It contained the same cylinder and piston as the 36X (29X also), and had the same stroke, but the nose and the crankshaft were shorter than the older engine's.  It runs about the same, also, but is guilty of worse vibration than any Fox after the Series 2 Combat Special (Black Head 35).  The 29 version ran about the same, and I believe it just had a shorter stroke. 

For sport and some stunting, it should be set for a "wet two" run, as it doesn't willingly break like the classic Fox 35 Stunt engine does.

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Re: Fox Engine Question
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2008, 02:37:36 PM »
Larry,
Does it look like this?
DennisV

Dennis - It looks exactly like that. For some reason, the needle assy was mounted on the left side (facing front of motor), which would put it pointing down when mounted to the outside of a profile. I moved it to the other side cause I could see myself wiping it out on the first rough landing. Maybe someone had it mounted vertical .... but whichever way they had it, they didnt fly it much. This thing looks brand new inside/out.

I normally run about 12oz of castor p/gallon(10%/18), so I figure that should be good and I'll use a 9x6 and treat it as a breakin for abit. As suggested, a 10x5 would probably be good, but all I have are Zinger 10x6's and might be too much if it's not broke-in

Getting it mounted to a FS now .... we'll see how it goes in the AM. Crossing fingers ..... :-)

Thanks a bunch everybody!  FlySafe!  Larry (Larrys4227)

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Re: Fox Engine Question
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2008, 03:21:45 PM »
Got it mounted, put on a 9x6, a new plug and added some fuel .... and she fired right up!  Yippee! Alternated between 4 and 2 stroke for a few minutes .... very responsive on the needle movements.

I'm psyched ....  #^

FlySafe!  Larry (Larrys4227)

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Re: Fox Engine Question
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2008, 03:34:21 PM »
Heres a quick pic ..... alittle blurry. Oh well. :-)

FlySafe!  Larry (Larrys4227)

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Re: Fox Engine Question
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2008, 03:38:31 PM »
I had the R/C version on my 1st R/C trainer, a balsa USA Stick 40.  Not a light plane by any means and that old Fox .29 hauled it around just fine on a 9X5 prop. Easy starting- but it was a bit of a shaker, had to tighten the aftermarket strap-on muffler and engine mount screws fairly often.
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Re: Fox Engine Question
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2008, 12:33:32 PM »
Probably have 10-12 flights on the Fox .29 now. After the first day, I had to rebuild the nose of the FS. The motor mounts loosened up and ready to fall out. The second day, with a new re-enforced nose, I tried some different props, and a 9x6 seems to be best. I tried a 10x5 and it really struggled. The FS is on the heavy side, and with the 9x6, 60' lines, wet 2-cycle needle setting .... I was getting about 5.5 second laps. My FS's have always liked 5 second, or a shade faster .... anything over that and the lines feel loose and it doesnt pull with any authority. My other FS with a OS25LA, 9x6 and 60' lines averages around 4.8 seconds.

Anyway, yesterday was the third day and I went to the field with 52' lines .... much better. Mentally counting off .... was around 5 second laps. Only got a couple flights in cause the wind got too much. Looking forward to more flights with this motor.  Seems to run good, but would probably do better on a lighter plane. Somebody mentioned a wet 2-cycle run and I'm trying to keep it there, but it seems its power really comes in toward the end of the tank as it leans out.... but its alittle hotter than I'd like.

Starting it has been a breeze ..... prime it, attach the glow,  hand flip it 2-3 times and it starts right up.

Overall .... not too shabby for a 30-40 year old motor.   y1

Fly Safe!  Larry (Larrys4227)

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Re: Fox Engine Question
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2008, 12:50:16 PM »
It is a fact that many Fox engines run relatively hot.  They have sometimes been designs that have been reduced almost to the least amount of metal, cooling fins included, that will retain shape and keep the cylinder confined.  The stunt 35 can be damaged fairly easily in a hard crash on dry ground (Texas has a lot of clay soils that turn hard as concrete in between infrequent rains, and I've disposed of several bent Stunt 35 cases after such crashes).  The sport 29 / 36 engines are beefier than a stunt Fox, because had AMA Slow Combat not changed the arena, they were intended for some combat. 

Personally, I never had any of the 29s, just the 36s, and it seems to me that it's not really likely a Streak weighing under 35 Ounces would've been too much for the ones that I had.  You may be setting up a run that is "too wet" of a two cycle run.  My own sport 36s would swing an 11-5 with authority (I have none of my own any longer, as all of the local Slow Combat variations, except "Fox 35 Super Slow" died off for several years, and I just didn't need them for anything else).  I never had more than two, I think.  We finally started flying some Speed Limit events instead of the "Fox Super Slow", for which I offer Thanks to Good Lord that the powers that be saw the wisdom. 

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Re: Fox Engine Question
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2008, 08:56:05 PM »
Personally, I never had any of the 29s, just the 36s, and it seems to me that it's not really likely a Streak weighing under 35 Ounces would've been too much for the ones that I had.  You may be setting up a run that is "too wet" of a two cycle run.  My own sport 36s would swing an 11-5 with authority (I have none of my own any longer, as all of the local Slow Combat variations, except "Fox 35 Super Slow" died, and I just didn't need them for anything else). 

I really need to weigh this FS sometime, but it was the first one I rebuilt .... adding the longer fuse. I overbuilt it and made it heavy. I've also been taking into consideration that this 29 is in 'new' condition. When I dug it out and got it freed up, it was absolutely spotless on the inside. The top of the piston had alittle burn mark, but the head button was clean as a whistle. There was abit of crap up inside the piston around the wristpin, but thats it.

I'm abit leary to lean it out. I used to race boats and I've burned up a ton of engines .... I'd like to not burn this one up.  I'm using 10%/27%Castor.  I'll give the engine a few more tanks and maybe go back and try the 10X5 prop again.

Your right about hard tarmac .... here in FL if we dont get rain for awhile, the ground turns to concrete. Just yesterday my other FS decided to die on the middle of an outside loop.  The plane came in on me and I couldnt run fast enough.  Some damage, but repairable ..... my right index finger got the worst of it. Somehow, while holding the handle, my finger got caught up in a line and sliced it pretty good. No idea how it happened ... LOL!

FlySafe!  Larry (Larrys4227)


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