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Offline Steve Dwyer

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CS 36 Engine
« on: December 12, 2015, 02:04:47 PM »
Anyone familiar with this engine, I picked it up recently from an estate sale and tried running it. Just wants to run in reverse any thoughts why? The Japanese company that manufactured it went out of business I discovered by going on line. Is it a good engine?

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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2015, 02:17:17 PM »
Steve I admittedly don't know squat about that engine or brand

BUT the only front rotary engines that run clockwise are either well flooded or have a left hand crank installed

Many Mfg used to provide a lefty crank for a variety of reasons...twin engine set up, torque roll in to out, pusher
 configuration...I have a few Cox TeeDee with left hand cranks
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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2015, 02:56:34 PM »
CS is China Shanghai right? Looks like a copy of a supertiger helicopter engine. Does it run full song backwards or just sputter?


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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2015, 03:28:21 PM »
Running backwards is fairly common for agressively-timed two-strokes -- they make the intake open early to give the air more time to get going into the case, but that also gives the air more time to get in there while running backwards.

Like Motorman said -- does it run better clockwise or counter-clockwise?  If it's unhappy going backwards then the engine is designed to be a screamer.
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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2015, 05:14:13 PM »
Looking at teh CS web site, they did decide to close up shop on the 28th of Sept. this year

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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2015, 05:33:34 PM »
I was only able to get one short lower power run going counter clockwise (looking at the front of the engine), it runs best rotating in the opposite direction of what most engines run. It starts easiest without the muffler and it ran best using 5% nitro 29% castor compared to a 10% nitro and synthetic blend. It has such good compression my electric starter would not turn it over and eventually I broke the nylon prop using a cheater stick. I was not able to get it to start rotating it clockwise only counterclockwise but when I spun it would crack back and start while hitting the stick this is what broke the prop. It did this in both a lean and rich setting.  It will rev very high and appears to be very strong using a 10 x 6 prop.  So it's made in China, has anyone any experience with helicopter engines? What if I use a pusher prop on it? I noted when it runs in reverse the fuel is sucked out of the venture going thru fuel much faster than normal, what ever is normal here?? Is there a helicopter site I can challenge? I'd like to use it, it is relatively light compared to my EVO 36 while having the same power, but much more than a Fox 35.

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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2015, 05:51:11 PM »
Ok so I look at the Nitro Planes site for helicopter engines and find the "S32HR 2 Stroke Glow Engine" for helicopters and guess what this engine looks identical. Except that all helo engines have a throttle for remote control but not the CS 36 I have. Couldn't find much on the engine rotation on the NP site will keep looking. Got to believe CS was around long enough to gain some exposure?? Should I change the Topic to "Mystery Engine"?

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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2015, 03:10:51 PM »
"CS" engines have always been "variable" in quality. It could well be that the crank port was not machined properly, or maybe the helicopter installation required LH rotation. CS engines are known to sometimes have ball races loose in the case, or loose on the crankshaft, and other serious buffoonery. The engine in your picture looks a lot like another PRC product, the LEO engine. Muffler rather resembles the ASP/Magnum units. The NV assy. looks to be a genuine Super Tigre unit, but the venturi doesn't look like any I've seen before...tho a nice enough bit of machining.  If the venturi bore is around .275", it should run ok on suck if there's no leaky backplate problems.  D>K Steve 
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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2015, 03:49:25 PM »
The venturi looks like an Avistar.

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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2015, 03:56:21 PM »
I bought a CS .15 CL engine a dozen or so years ago.  Externally they look decent.  This one had a long venturi and an anodized red cylinder head.  Fit was pretty poor and finish of the piston looks crude.  Hard to start and when it did, had no power whatsoever.  It improved a tad after 4 runs but it'll be used as a paperweight.

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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2015, 04:13:35 PM »
Steve and everyone, thanks much for your effort to help me resolve what this engine is and what can be done to use it. Guess I'll play around with it a little more by trying to adjust the mixture out of a possible over rich condition with what appears to be a modified nva. If I can get around the kick back condition and run it with a pusher prop it might be worthy of mounting on one of my older profiles. Otherwise it will find a spot on the shelf along side some older junk.  I could also place it on E bay it is has never been run, someone might recognize it and need it for their helicopter. Estate sale blind purchases not good this time - lesson learned.

Thanks,

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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2015, 05:27:03 PM »
Any number of Carrier guys have installed a "left hand" crank and used pusher props to advantage. Fox made the left hand crank available for the Combat series, and others have had special cranks made. Using a left hand crank has helped the slow portion of the Carrier flights. perhaps you have just such a crank in your engine. I had a left hand crank in a TD and it preformed very well in Mouse 11 some years ago along with a left hand prop I made, copying one of the old KK left hand props.
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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2015, 04:19:28 AM »
Thanks everyone again, I'll report back with my results after I attempt running it again.

Steve

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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2015, 06:42:24 AM »
Check the port timing. You don't need a degree wheel for a rough check. The attached timing diagram shows a Fox Stunt motor on the left. The graphic assumes you are looking at the front of the engine. You can see that the crank port on a right hand timed engine begins to open after the rotation passes Bottom Dead Center and the piston is on the up stroke. So, take out the glow plug and remove the muffler. Turn the engine over slowly counterclockwise and look down the venturi. The shaft port should open just a bit after the piston begins the upstroke. If that is not the case then you may have a reverse timed engine.
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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2015, 09:19:24 AM »
AS Steve said, variable quality. If you really like the thing, you could re-engineer the port timing on the crank to a milder setting. It would involve JB weld and machine work, but could be done. How about using an electric starter?

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Re: CS 36 Engine
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2015, 11:06:19 AM »
Over priming and high compression also might be contributing to kick back starting.

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