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Offline jim gilmore

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AP .09 vs Enya ? .15 questions for Randy
« on: July 12, 2009, 08:10:05 PM »
Ok, I'm using an Ap .09 and this size is about the right size for me to work with. As I have gotten older I'm shying away from anything larger. ENYA doesn't have an .09 in production any longer do they ?
How much would the closest ENYA .15 I'm guessing cost setup for control line?
The Ap cost $50+$10 for the needle valve I'm using and another 15 for the venturi, so thats roughly $75.
 But do the Enya .15 engines have bearing like the AP .09's ?
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Re: AP .09 vs Enya ? .15 questions for Randy
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2009, 12:33:29 AM »
Quote from: jim gilmore on July 12, 2009, 08:10:05 PM
Ok, I'm using an Ap .09 and this size is about the right size for me to work with. As I have gotten older I'm shying away from anything larger. ENYA doesn't have an .09 in production any longer do they ?
How much would the closest ENYA .15 I'm guessing cost setup for control line?
The Ap cost $50+$10 for the needle valve I'm using and another 15 for the venturi, so thats roughly $75.
 But do the Enya .15 engines have bearing like the AP .09's ?

Hi Jim

The Enya price sheet is  at my website
www.aeroproduct.net
They have a 15 and 20 setup for CLEnya

15 V S $69.99 ...
Enya 20 S $74.99   
Enya 25S Special Pro AL plain bearing $119.95   
Enya 25 SS $74.99   




Regards
Randy
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Re: AP .09 vs Enya ? .15 questions for Randy
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2009, 05:09:21 AM »
I'm sorry. I got confused. It was the t tiger .09 that did not list a price. What is the price on them and how would it compare to the ap .09 ?
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Re: AP .09 vs Enya ? .15 questions for Randy
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2009, 12:35:41 AM »
Sorry if I do not proof read very well at times.
Do you still carry the T-Tiger 10 GP C\L plain Bearing and what is their price ?
I'm assuming they are set up as a c/l engine with No throttle ?
And how would it compare to the AP .09
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Re: AP .09 vs Enya ? .15 questions for Randy
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2009, 10:33:45 AM »
Quote from: jim gilmore on July 12, 2009, 08:10:05 PM
Ok, I'm using an Ap .09 and this size is about the right size for me to work with. As I have gotten older I'm shying away from anything larger. ENYA doesn't have an .09 in production any longer do they ?
How much would the closest ENYA .15 I'm guessing cost setup for control line?
The Ap cost $50+$10 for the needle valve I'm using and another 15 for the venturi, so thats roughly $75.
 But do the Enya .15 engines have bearing like the AP .09's ?

Jim, in my opinion the Fox 15 would be much better for you. AP engines by and large have quality issues.
The Fox weighs only about a half ounce more than the AP 09, has ball bearings and checking the price at tower today is about $62.00
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXG887&P=7

Robert
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Re: AP .09 vs Enya ? .15 questions for Randy
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2009, 10:50:32 AM »
Quote from: jim gilmore on July 16, 2009, 12:35:41 AM
Sorry if I do not proof read very well at times.
Do you still carry the T-Tiger 10 GP C\L plain Bearing and what is their price ?
I'm assuming they are set up as a c/l engine with No throttle ?
And how would it compare to the AP .09

Hi Jim

They are GP10 engines setup for CL. I have not tested them against the AP so I cannot speak to that
I have 1 or 2 left in stock, $49.00

Regards
Randy
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Re: AP .09 vs Enya ? .15 questions for Randy
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2009, 11:16:11 AM »
Looking at the fox .15 has me confused. It looks a lot different than the fox .15 I had in the 80's. Is this a more powerful .15 ?
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Re: AP .09 vs Enya ? .15 questions for Randy
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2009, 02:33:13 PM »
Jim,
The "banjo-back" schneurle Fox 15s first appeared about 1973, but thre were plenty of the round-2 bolt-backplate baffle-piston 15s around for many years... The schneurle 15 is about double the weight of the old baffle piston 15 (about 6oz vs about 3.7oz) but is a lot more power and much more dependable than some of the baffle-pistons were.

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Re: AP .09 vs Enya ? .15 questions for Randy
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2009, 02:54:42 PM »
Quote from: L0U CRANE on July 16, 2009, 02:33:13 PM
Jim,
The "banjo-back" schneurle Fox 15s first appeared about 1973, but thre were plenty of the round-2 bolt-backplate baffle-piston 15s around for many years... The schneurle 15 is about double the weight of the old baffle piston 15 (about 6oz vs about 3.7oz) but is a lot more power and much more dependable than some of the baffle-pistons were.

Luck!


The AP Hornet weighs in at a portly (porky!) 5.4 ounces! I would dare say that the quality control of the Fox line of engines is vastly superior to the AP engines.   
The Fox 15 schneurle ported engine has proven its worth many times over the years in many ways.
Although the AP engines are known for poor quality control, there are examples of very fine runners out there and modelers do enjoy these however you cannot trust them all to be as good.

Robert
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Re: AP .09 vs Enya ? .15 questions for Randy
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2009, 08:43:54 AM »
Quote from: jim gilmore on July 12, 2009, 08:10:05 PM
ENYA doesn't have an .09 in production any longer do they ?
 

Actually they do - they're still making the 09-IV (plain bearing, great motor), and recently introduced the '09 Quicky', which is a 2BB version.
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Re: AP .09 vs Enya ? .15 questions for Randy
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2009, 10:31:45 AM »
Is the .09 quickly a c/l ready or easily c/l ready ?
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Re: AP .09 vs Enya ? .15 questions for Randy
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2009, 08:47:57 PM »
Quote from: RandySmith on July 16, 2009, 10:50:32 AM
Hi Jim

They are GP10 engines setup for CL. I have not tested them against the AP so I cannot speak to that
I have 1 or 2 left in stock, $49.00

Regards
Randy

Jim...This would be my strongest suggestion: SEE ABOVE!!! Write the check!  y1 Steve
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Re: AP .09 vs Enya ? .15 questions for Randy
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2009, 09:27:01 PM »
Quote from: jim gilmore on July 20, 2009, 10:31:45 AM
Is the .09 quickly a c/l ready or easily c/l ready ?


You can get it as a CL motor: http://www.enya-engine.com/ListCL_E.html

I'm sure it'd be a lovely motor, but it isn't cheap.  That $49 GP10 does look like pretty good value.
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