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Offline Ron King

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Who Invented the I-beam Technique?
« on: November 30, 2006, 10:21:56 AM »
I have always loved the sexy stunters with I-beam wings and am now planning to build one this winter.

My first (and last) attempt did not go very well. I built the Ambroid Ares kit in 1964 and of course we used mostly Ambroid cement. The plane made a few flights off the ball fields in McClure Park (Tulsa), but the ribs did not stay attached to the I-beam, so I ended with a floppy, sloppy mess.  ~^ ~^  The plane got trashed when we moved to Maryland and I never built another.

Since I'm going to try again, I wondered who is credited with creating this building technique?

My assumptions are it was someone in the Detroit Strathmoor club (Roland McDonald?). Anyone know the answer?  ??? ???

Thanks,

Ron
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Re: Who Invented the I-beam Technique?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2006, 12:14:45 PM »
Bob Dailey is the one who conceived the I beam method. Get " How to build I Beam wings"DVD it'll explain everything.
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Re: Who Invented the I-beam Technique?
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2006, 12:22:16 PM »
Almost forgot to say who puts it out.

Robin's View Productions, LLC
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Re: Who Invented the I-beam Technique?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2006, 05:28:26 PM »
Quote from: Leester on November 30, 2006, 12:14:45 PM
Bob Dailey is the one who conceived the I beam method. Get " How to build I Beam wings"DVD it'll explain everything.

The Stupid Moderator already has the video and forgot.  HB~>

It got "put away" when we had the basement finished and I forgot where it was. Your message prompted me to check with the spousal unit and she found it.

The mind is a terrible thing to waste.  n~ n~ n~

Thanks for reminding me. Now, who can volunteer to come over to my house and show me how to do this?  ~>

Ron
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Re: Who Invented the I-beam Technique?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2006, 06:58:47 PM »
Ron I do know that I need to get that tape  to help build my first I-beamer  thanks guys  Alan Buck
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Re: Who Invented the I-beam Technique?
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2006, 06:27:18 AM »
Quote from: Bill Little on November 30, 2006, 06:10:51 PM
Well, Ron, just what do you need to be shown how to do???   Build an I-Beam plane or run your DVD player??
I can't come to YOUR house, but that trip down here you have promised would result in you returning with a framed up I-Beam plane if you get here Friday evening, and leave Sunday.

Bill,

Expect a call RSN (Real Soon Now) - especially if you have a set of '62 Ares plans I could see.  #^ #^


Alan,

There are two problems with that tape, as I recall. The first is it's much better quality that you usually expect to see in a hobby video. The lighting, the sound, and the flow are all too well done for us. We are not worthy.

The second is Bill Werwage just makes it look too $#%%$ easy. Watching the tape made me sick to my stomach at how simple and easy he could cut parts and put them together. It's just not fair.  HB~> HB~>

Call Bob Hunt. Get the video. It's that good.

Take care,

Ron
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Re: Who Invented the I-beam Technique?
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2006, 08:28:57 PM »
The first I-Beamer I ever saw was a Rollie McDonald Detroiter. Not the inventor, but a very early one.
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Re: Who Invented the I-beam Technique?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2006, 11:32:32 PM »
Quote from: Ron King on December 01, 2006, 06:27:18 AM
Bill,

Expect a call RSN (Real Soon Now) - especially if you have a set of '62 Ares plans I could see.  #^ #^


Alan,

There are two problems with that tape, as I recall. The first is it's much better quality that you usually expect to see in a hobby video. The lighting, the sound, and the flow are all too well done for us. We are not worthy.

The second is Bill Werwage just makes it look too $#%%$ easy. Watching the tape made me sick to my stomach at how simple and easy he could cut parts and put them together. It's just not fair.  HB~> HB~>

Call Bob Hunt. Get the video. It's that good.

Take care,

Ron

Hi Ron,

I got all the "Ares" plans, of course! 

And yes, it is really that easy (and quick) to build I-Beam planes.  But don't tell nobody since everyone will then want them!

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Door's always open, you just gotta get down here.  y1

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Re: Who Invented the I-beam Technique?
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2006, 12:57:43 PM »
Agreed, the Hunt/Werwage video is a must.

It gives info that was never on almost all of the I-beamer plans.. eg. The Bellcrank pivot DID NOT go through the spar... eg, they used triplers at the spar where the bellcrank arm went through...eg. the the spar caps were beveled in some area to allow the ribs to conform... Again,This video is not only recomended, it is a must!
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Re: Who Invented the I-beam Technique?
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2006, 09:55:40 AM »
Quote from: Ron King on November 30, 2006, 10:21:56 AM

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Since I'm going to try again, I wondered who is credited with creating this building technique?

My assumptions are it was someone in the Detroit Strathmoor club (Roland McDonald?). Anyone know the answer?  ??? ???

Thanks,

Ron


I think the original question has been answered that Bob Daily is pretty much credited with the main impetus behind the I-Beam construction concept.  Also, it has been mentioned that Bob Hunt initiated a series of articles by Fred Carnes in Flying Models that told the I-Beam story and Allen Brickhouse has continued with those Fred Carnes articles. 

Fred Carnes' article in Nov/Dec 98 Stunt News titled "Pedigree of the Early I-Beam Stunters" shows the development in the early days of the Detroit area stunters and their relationships.   Then in the Jan/Feb 2001 issue of Stunt News, Fred Carnes carries his discussion on I-Beams further with an article on I-Beam combat designs.  These are all fascinating articles together with his numerous Flying Models articles, are extremely well researched and well written.  Fred deserves much more credit for his work than he has received.

Keith Trostle
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Re: Who Invented the I-beam Technique?
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2006, 07:48:38 PM »
I just dropped Bob McDonald an email to see if Roland developed it. I remember going to their place and just seeing em all over the place 20 years ago when Roland and Bob used to mentor me. Bob was primarily doing sheeted I-beams then but there was always a Detroiter or Aquilla hangin there lookin gorgeous. I'll post Bob's reply.

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Re: Who Invented the I-beam Technique?
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2006, 05:51:33 AM »
This is Bob McDonalds reply:

No dad did not invent it, he showed a lot of people how to do it. It was first used by Bob Daily and he showed to dad. The concept comes from prehistoric free flight models.

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Re: Who Invented the I-beam Technique?
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2006, 03:11:43 PM »
Quote from: bob branch on December 12, 2006, 05:51:33 AM
This is Bob McDonalds reply:

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 It was first used by Bob Daily and he showed to dad.

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And Bob Daily was identified earlier in this thread as the one individual credited with the I-Beam wing construction.  It was also explained that Fred Carnes went into considerable detail on the origins of the I-Beam construction in his extremely well researched articles. 

Fortunately, Bob McDonald has had a ringside seat to witness all of that and is willing to verify what Fred Carnes has chronicled so well.

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