Author Topic: Vulcan Pictures (Oriental, too!) (Read 3504 times)

Bill Little · « **on:** September 03, 2007, 06:05:48 PM »

The Maiden Flight!

Bill Little · « **Reply #1 on:** September 03, 2007, 06:09:17 PM »

files too large to add more than one per post! LOL!!

Bill Little · « **Reply #2 on:** September 03, 2007, 06:14:51 PM »

Aaron's Oriental, to!

Jim Oliver · « **Reply #3 on:** September 03, 2007, 07:43:52 PM »

Beautiful, Bill. Thanks for posting them.

Jim

Randy Ryan · « **Reply #4 on:** September 03, 2007, 08:22:49 PM »

Gorgeous Bill, just beautiful!

Bill Little · « **Reply #5 on:** September 03, 2007, 10:50:45 PM »

Thanks, Guys! I really, really like this one!

Ty, it isn't really much like Billy's scheme, his has scallops on the wings.

I sorta copied the Lunar scheme.

Bill Little · « **Reply #6 on:** September 13, 2007, 11:41:57 AM »

Looking to some serious trim flights this weekend. I was so surprised at the plane "right off the board". It is stable, point and shoot! AT 36 provides PLENTY of power.

I have not seen the "troubles", so far, with the swept forward TE that so many have talked about. I also need to try some different props. I have a few "Werwage" 10 1/2 X 4 undercambered that Billy developed for the AT 36. Need to order some 11 X 4 Bolly from Randy.

What I ran first day was a cut down 12 X 4 Bolly.

I do believe there is LOTS of potential in this combination.

Shultzie · « **Reply #7 on:** November 05, 2007, 10:52:57 AM »

Quote from: Bill Little on September 13, 2007, 11:41:57 AM

Looking to some serious trim flights this weekend. I was so surprised at the plane "right off the board". It is stable, point and shoot! AT 36 provides PLENTY of power.

I have not seen the "troubles", so far, with the swept forward TE that so many have talked about. I also need to try some different props. I have a few "Werwage" 10 1/2 X 4 undercambered that Billy developed for the AT 36. Need to order some 11 X 4 Bolly from Randy. What I ran first day was a cut down 12 X 4 Bolly.

I do believe there is LOTS of potential in this combination.

OUTSTANDINGLY BEAUTIFUL MODEL.....and I can assure you that the "swept forward TE's shouldn't cause you any problems what-so-ever...if everything else in the alignment, balance points, tip weight or leadout locations are correct.
Bob Gialdini and many many others ICON flyers have long ago are proof positive enough for me?

Randy Powell · « **Reply #8 on:** November 05, 2007, 12:07:40 PM »

I've used a swept forward TE on and off. It tends to create yaw and you have to compensate for it. Ask Paul Walker how he feels about this design "feature".

Hey, Bill, I have some blue paint if you'd like me to send some to you.

Shultzie · « **Reply #9 on:** November 05, 2007, 03:09:21 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on November 05, 2007, 12:07:40 PM

I've used a swept forward TE on and off. It tends to create yaw and you have to compensate for it. Ask Paul Walker how he feels about this design "feature".

Hey, Bill, I have some blue paint if you'd like me to send some to you.

NO WAY....PAUL HASN'T GOT ALL THE MARBLES ON THIS ONE...IT IS A MATTER OF WING TIP WEIGHT...CG. WEIGHT...LINE WEIGHT-DIA.LENGTH...FUNKY WHEEL PANTS OUT OF ALIGNMENT...WEIRDO RUDDER, ENGINE OFFSET... AND LINE SWEEP! ALL THESE ITEMS WILL CAUSE SOME PRETTY STRANGE FLIGHT CHARACTERISTICS..NO? YES?

Naturally Bob Gialdinin and I are merely amatureeee's. I have only built 5 models with swept forward trailing edges...WITH NO YAPPIN--IN YAWWIN' and guess this is only as good as your last model anyhoo n'allthatjazz

Randy Powell · « **Reply #10 on:** November 05, 2007, 04:09:54 PM »

I think it's all about getting cute girls to hold your planes. Swept forward trailing edges look sexier.

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #11 on:** November 06, 2007, 12:56:26 AM »

Bill,

Bob hunt still has a 55 gal. drum of that ugly brown (or whatever it is) if you need some!

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #12 on:** November 06, 2007, 08:46:53 AM »

Hey, bronze is beautiful baby!

Bob Hunt

Shultzie · « **Reply #13 on:** November 06, 2007, 01:25:53 PM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on November 06, 2007, 08:46:53 AM

Hey, bronze is beautiful baby!

Bob Hunt

Here is Proof-pudding of how purty copper looks!

Randy Powell · « **Reply #14 on:** November 06, 2007, 03:11:38 PM »

>>Hey, bronze is beautiful baby!<<

Especially in 55 gallon drums.

I see it more as a copper color.

Bill Little · « **Reply #15 on:** November 06, 2007, 09:52:26 PM »

International Harvester Bronze, IIRC.

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #16 on:** November 07, 2007, 12:37:37 AM »

And just remember that Billy "LOVES" that color!

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #17 on:** November 07, 2007, 08:49:44 PM »

Okay, here's proof that not all of my ships were trimmed in bronze/copper: This Crossfire is trimmed in metallic brown!

Bob Hunt

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #18 on:** November 07, 2007, 08:59:29 PM »

...but then again, here's one in bronze! I liked them both.

Bob Hunt

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #19 on:** November 07, 2007, 09:04:37 PM »

And, I even have a bronzish guitar!

Bob Hunt

Randy Powell · « **Reply #20 on:** November 07, 2007, 09:44:50 PM »

Hey, you like what you like.

Mike Ferguson · « **Reply #21 on:** November 08, 2007, 07:46:37 AM »

We'll just amend "ugly brown" to "metallic earth tones" as a catch-all, Bob.

Bill Little · « **Reply #22 on:** November 10, 2007, 04:26:43 PM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on November 07, 2007, 09:04:37 PM

And, I even have a bronzish guitar!

Bob Hunt

"Sunburst" was a very popular color combo in guitars! Aaron knows about all that, I never took up those kinda strings...... I did play the violin as a youngster, but it was finally decided that I would need a Viola to perch on my shoulder for it to "fit" right!

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #23 on:** November 13, 2007, 04:46:38 PM »

Was the "Crossfire" published? Really a good looking plane!

Steve

Bill Little · « **Reply #24 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:37:55 AM »

Quote from: Steve Helmick on November 13, 2007, 04:46:38 PM

Was the "Crossfire" published? Really a good looking plane! Steve

AFAIK, no. I cannot remember the other piped plane from the period, not sure if it had a SRV name......... IIRC, the Saturn was Bob's first published pipe plane. And a great one it is! I have been flying one (disguised as a Juno) for over 10 years!

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #25 on:** November 15, 2007, 02:06:14 AM »

If we are going to talk "Brown" Ed Elasick's 1st and 3rs "Impalas" were Chocolate Brown.
The 1st was with white and Yellow trim. The 3rd had white and....,egads... copper trim!

The picture is of Ed with the 3rd "Impala"

Lyle Spiegel · « **Reply #26 on:** November 15, 2007, 05:33:45 AM »

Tom- any update on status of a kit for Impala?

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #27 on:** November 15, 2007, 08:30:31 AM »

Just to clarify things...

The Crossfire was the first stunt model purpose designed for a tuned pipe. I built the first one in 1987 and flew it at the 1987 Nats to an eighth place finish. The Crossfire saga would take up a lot of keystroking time and I may just invest in that a some point as it is historic in nature to the event.

The second purpose built model for a tuned pipe that I produced was the Lexicon. I flew that model in 1991 to a berth on the 1992 FAI team. I again flew it to fifth place at the 1992 Nats and then switched over to the Saturn, which I flew in two World Championships (1992 and 1994) and in three Nats (1993, 1994 and 1995). Again, the telling of the Lexicon story might be interesting, and it will fit into a much larger story that is yet to be told about that era.

So, the Saturn was the third model that I designed and built for the pipe. All in all the Saturn was perhaps the best known of my designs since the Genesis series. In truth it was a great model and I did well with it, but the Crossfire was also an excellent flying ship that is somewhat overlooked by stunt historians. I may build a third one in the future for electric power.

Bob Hunt

Dennis Adamisin · « **Reply #28 on:** November 15, 2007, 03:41:58 PM »

Personally I think Bobba has been SANDBAGGING us all along!

I think he did the Crossfire & Saturn so he could stuff D-cell NICADS into the lower fuselage to drive the Cobalt 40 motor he really wanted to use all along

- when he realized the D-cells weighed as much as his tool box he comrpmised and used the pipe just to fill the space!

Now with outrunners and Lipo's his battery tunnel is now bigger than it needs to be! So, when he builds the electric Crossfire (CrossWired???) I bet it gets a tummy tuck!

(and I am looking forward to seeing that one!)

So Bob, am I close???

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #29 on:** November 15, 2007, 11:07:19 PM »

Guess I've been found out! You always were the smart one, Dennis...

Bob

Bill Little · « **Reply #30 on:** November 16, 2007, 10:20:46 AM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on November 15, 2007, 11:07:19 PM

Guess I've been found out! You always were the smart one, Dennis...

Bob

Hi Bob,

I see no one caught the *SRV* note I included!

What other planes did you name after Stevie Ray's songs??

Bill <><

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #31 on:** November 16, 2007, 02:06:27 PM »

Well, none that I can think of, Bill. On that subject, however, have you heard Coco Montoya play?

Brother Bob

RandySmith · « **Reply #32 on:** November 16, 2007, 03:36:44 PM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on November 07, 2007, 08:49:44 PM

Okay, here's proof that not all of my ships were trimmed in bronze/copper: This Crossfire is trimmed in metallic brown!

Bob Hunt

Now Bobba ... I have heard tales that metallic brown is just BRONZE... that somebody spilled a little black into

Randy

Bill Little · « **Reply #33 on:** November 16, 2007, 03:42:12 PM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on November 16, 2007, 02:06:27 PM

Well, none that I can think of, Bill. On that subject, however, have you heard Coco Montoya play?

Brother Bob

Brother Bob,

Last Dirty Deal, How Do You Sleep At Night........ He plays left handed with a right hand head, right? Kinda like Jimi.

Aaron brought some CD's down for us to while we work in the Fortress of Solitude! He has CDs of all kinds of guitar players, many of which I had never heard of! But, it helps while building!

How about John Mayall? Hubert Sumlin?

Of course, I still have my LP of Santana Black Magic Woman. Can't really remember when I bought that one, but I got the first one I saw.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #34 on:** November 16, 2007, 06:32:21 PM »

You want guitar players, I really like listening to guitar music while I work, well some of it anyway. I work on the computer doing CAD work 10 hours a day at a construction site. Background music is really really important for sanity! Some of my favorites, Al DiMEola, Paco De Lucia, John Mclaughlin . Of Al DiMeola's I would say either Flesh on flesh or Elegant Gypsy are my favorite CDs. but then I listen to Enigma , Acoustic Alchemy ,Bella Fleck and Chic Corea too,, sigh, yeah the guys at work kinda think I am strange, I tell em yep I am,, hehe,,

Bill Little · « **Reply #35 on:** November 17, 2007, 07:45:13 PM »

Well, I started the thread, and my great friend and Brother, Bob, jumped in with the guitar players (I knew the name for his "Crossfire" came from Stevie Ray Vaughn!), so I guess guitars and Blues will work.....

I sat in Kenan Stadium at UNC-CH one night during Jubilee Weekend in May 1969 right up against the stage while BB was playing ol' Lucille. Best Blues, ever, and I wasn't 5 feet from him.

Me?? Jimi, Clapton, SRV, Allman (best slide player ever!) and Carlos Santana..........

Bob Disharoon · « **Reply #36 on:** November 18, 2007, 04:27:30 PM »

Mississippi John Hurt..Doc Watson..Ian Tyson..John Lee Hooker..Brownie Magee... Blind Lemon Jackson. The unplugged stuff is where it's at for this ole hippie....and yes, I was there at UNC in ( I think) 69 or 70 for that INCREDIBLE weekend of bands and artists..Cocker, Leon Russell, BB, James Taylor....etc..etc. now I gotta dig out some vinyl and kick back!!

Bill Little · « **Reply #37 on:** November 18, 2007, 05:15:47 PM »

Quote from: Bob Disharoon on November 18, 2007, 04:27:30 PM

Mississippi John Hurt..Doc Watson..Ian Tyson..John Lee Hooker..Brownie Magee... Blind Lemon Jackson. The unplugged stuff is where it's at for this ole hippie....and yes, I was there at UNC in ( I think) 69 or 70 for that INCREDIBLE weekend of bands and artists..Cocker, Leon Russell, BB, James Taylor....etc..etc. now I gotta dig out some vinyl and kick back!!

Hi Bob,

I remember us discussing that weekend. Nonstop, all day, all night!

Grand Funk Rail Road was there, also, along with Janis Joplin. She made the run down fraternity row I understand!

The football staff didn't really like us there, but there wasn't anything they could really do. They couldn't pull ALL our scholarships!

Bob Disharoon · « **Reply #38 on:** November 19, 2007, 05:23:00 AM »

Yup..it was one I will never forget..Bob

Bill Little · « **Reply #39 on:** November 19, 2007, 11:46:36 AM »

Quote from: Bob Disharoon on November 19, 2007, 05:23:00 AM

Yup..it was one I will never forget..Bob

I'm glad it's one we can REMEMBER!!!!!!!

Bob Disharoon · « **Reply #40 on:** November 19, 2007, 12:11:19 PM »

.....Bob