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« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2014, 02:36:01 PM »
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« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2014, 09:06:42 AM »
I see we are going to have fun this flying season.   Is that a O&R or Forster in the picture?
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« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2014, 12:57:32 PM »
That's an O&R .60 John.  One of the side port factory conversions.  Just picked it up. Have two of these.  Today it's in the laquer thinner getting ready for tear down.
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« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2014, 02:12:10 PM »
FYI, somebody I know went through the SIG plant tour and saw pallets of dope from Randolph...thus, SIG = Randolph. If you go to your Randolph dealer, they will mix you a quart or gallon. Of course, they use 1:1 scale colors...paint chips are Cessna, Piper, etc., not SIG, but that's only a minor problem. I'm pretty sure SIG would have just selected one from the standard charts...but which? 

Check out the "VUM-18" if you want a Hungarian stunter. Pete Peterson had one (Enya .45) and liked the way it flew a lot. I always thought it was a homely design, but it's certainly not going to be mistaken for a Nobler!

My friend in OZ (Dave Simons)  had an early (pre-Shark) Yatsenko "buy-tech" model with the Retro Discovery .61, and had some "Fox Burp" complaints about it. He shipped it back, asking them to rebuild the nose and install the engine sideways, but it came back mounted 45 deg. off inverted. It then ran fine. One of those deals!  H^^ Steve
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« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2014, 07:56:57 PM »
Steve now I wonder.  I thought Brodak dope was Randolph.  If so, why are they incompatible?  I just wish Sig still had green.  It's still on the color chart but you can't order it.  I've got three British semi scale stunt kits to build......

That Enya .45 I understand is the maybe- better- than- equal to the Tigre .46.  Wish I knew that back in the day.  Just latched on to two of them, one new in the box.  Look out 1977!!!

I'm going to need some building recovery time after I get these new airplanes done but when I'm ready to cut wood again something Eastern Block will be early on my list.

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« Reply #55 on: March 14, 2014, 03:24:47 AM »
Hi Dave,

Have you had a problem using Randolph and Brodaks together? 

I never have had a problem using Sig, Randolph and Brodak together. ???  Maybe I am just the "Blind Hog"?

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« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2014, 07:46:42 AM »
Bill I had issues using Sig  and Brodak.  To be honest (and I'm still on my first cup of coffee this morning) I can't remember what the issue was.  I'd have to think about it.  I still have a little Brodak here,  maybe I'll do a test board.  I know I went back to Sig for Lite Coat which Brodak didn't have.  Now I use Certified clear both tautening and non-tautening.   I do have very minor issues at times getting adhesion between Certified clear and Sig colors.  I sense that a waxy film sits on top of dried coats so that the next coat doesn't always bond well.  If you give it a light once over with sandpaper or even a rub with a paper towel solves it.  I notice the Sig and Brodak smell a little different.  Likely different solvents.  Brodak usually gives me a headache,  Sig doesn't most of the time. So????
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« Reply #57 on: March 14, 2014, 04:45:58 PM »
Hi Dave,

It just kinda baffles me since Brodak and Sig are made from Randolph................ ???

I am using Randolph clear, tautening and non tautening in butyrate, and tinted non tautening nitrate.  I will admit to not using much Brodak yet, mostly just for trim.  This will change since I got a great deal from Wayne B. on Bridak pints, so some future models will have Brodak color for everything.

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« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2014, 06:53:29 PM »
Picking one reducer and sticking with it all the way through is supposed to fix all that nonsense.  y1 Steve

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« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2014, 07:09:51 PM »
It might-couldn't hurt.  I'm using Klean Strip laquer thinner (Home Depot.  Cheap and works as well as any other brand I've tried) and Certified retarder when I need.  Not tried these with Brodak.  I just bought two old gallons of Sig retarder from a friend and it could be interesting to see how that works.  I was getting really bad warps with Brodak clear so gave up on it but if the colors will work with Certified clear then we might be in good shape.  I will do a test board of all these variations and report.
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« Reply #60 on: March 15, 2014, 10:25:41 AM »
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« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2014, 09:52:24 AM »
Having now just completed the finish on my three new AMA/f2b airplanes I'm convinced that while Certified and Sig dopes are compatible-you can even mix them then apply,  they don't really adhere well to each other.  Once again I'm having lifting fillets where the Sig color lifted easily away from the Certified clear.  I'm thinking that in the future where a 'maximum effort' finish is required I'll just stick with one brand all the way through.  Going with what I have for lack of time and to save weight but I'd otherwise consider re-doing some of it.
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« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2014, 08:06:30 PM »
I know that Derek has used SiG and Brodak dope interchangeably using 3608S as the common thinner and not had trouble.  That's good intel that Sig gets their dope from Randolph...
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« Reply #63 on: March 18, 2014, 01:01:39 PM »
I know that Derek has used SiG and Brodak dope interchangeably using 3608S as the common thinner and not had trouble.  That's good intel that Sig gets their dope from Randolph...

SIG used  to "make"  their own  dope

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« Reply #64 on: March 20, 2014, 06:41:21 PM »
I noticed some of the new bottles of Sig I have been using smell quite different than ones a few years old.  But so far no issues with using sig thinner and shooting them.  I wonder if the different odor indicates Randolph, or just more EPA meddling with the Sig chemistry.
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« Reply #65 on: March 20, 2014, 08:25:30 PM »
Sig had some supply issues a while back and maybe changed vendors.  That might explain a couple things.  There isn't a huge demand for dope in full scale so the suppliers are few nowadays. 
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« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2014, 04:47:44 PM »
Just as a point of interest,  today was way too windy to fly but almost warm so I grabbed a batch of new engine acquisitions for Trible Holdings and went to the flying field to bench them.  There were sweet and sour;

The Merco Blackstreak started first flip and was strong and sweet.  It's Tony bound.
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« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2014, 04:49:57 PM »
Next is a Veco .45 that was RC but Jim Lee converted it for me.  WOW !   The power!  Bound for a Shark .45 one day.
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« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2014, 04:52:26 PM »
The Tono 5.6. (.35).  Both the Tonos felt pretty tight and were a little balky to start the first time but once started they ran very nice.
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« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2014, 04:53:20 PM »
The Tono 10cc. (.60)
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« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2014, 04:55:59 PM »
The Raduga 7cc. (.42). Again tight and balky but after putting in a Glo Devil plug and up chucking some hair balls,  It ran very smoothly and with power.
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« Reply #71 on: March 26, 2014, 04:59:00 PM »
Lastly for today was this Enya .45 BB model 6001.  Another former RC engine with Jim Lee conversion,  this puppy is sweet and strong- equal to any Tigre .46 or .51 I've had.  Got two of these babies.
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« Reply #72 on: March 26, 2014, 04:59:39 PM »
Well I have spent the last couple of days working on the Ringmaster Imperial.  Finished the fuel tank today.   Thought I knew how to solder.  Spent almost as much time fixing leaks as I did making the tank.  The flying surfaces are covered Poly-T as it is now called with three coats of thinned dope on them.  Will get them in the fuse hope fully this coming week.  
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« Reply #73 on: March 26, 2014, 05:01:45 PM »
Today's sour balls are an Enya .40 CX RC conversion, a Forster .29 and Torp .35 Green Head that have seen better days.  Destined for the parts bucket.
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« Reply #74 on: March 26, 2014, 05:05:14 PM »
Well I have spent the last couple of days working on the Ringmaster Imperial.  Finished the fuel tank today.   Thought I knew how to solder.  Spent almost as much time fixing leaks as I did making the tank.  The flying surfaces are covered Poly-T as it is now called with three coats of thinned dope on them.  Will get them in the fuse hope fully this coming week.  
John check your roll of solder.  Sure easy to pick up something too high temp to flow well.   Got pretty cold at the field but ran the reel mower around the edge to keep it marked.  May need to take a pitch fork out on a mole hunt...
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« Reply #75 on: July 26, 2014, 09:19:21 AM »
  Hey Mr. Bill Little , when I got home from Muncie I shoe horned my Doublestar .54 into my Space Hound,, I haven't triedit yet but I will soon,    John

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« Reply #76 on: July 30, 2014, 12:30:57 PM »
  Hey Mr. Bill Little , when I got home from Muncie I shoe horned my Doublestar .54 into my Space Hound,, I haven't triedit yet but I will soon,    John

Hi John,

As long as you can get the right prop to clear the ground, you should be happy with that combination!  Mine is rather porky, but flies extremely well with the ST .46 (if I could just keep rings in it! LL~ )  I have two sets of Brian G.'s ABC set ups for the ST .46 and that should cure the problem!  I like the Spacehound for some crazy reason!

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« Reply #77 on: September 18, 2014, 02:05:11 AM »
  Hi Bill,
  I like the DB Star .54 in the Spacehound. It's a great combo. 
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« Reply #78 on: September 18, 2014, 07:48:55 AM »
  Hi Bill,
  I like the DB Star .54 in the Spacehound. It's a great combo. 
             John

Hi John,

That is great to hear!  Problem is, when I checked around, the DS .54 was not available..........  I remember when Tom D. had the plain bearing DS .50 made to be a drop in for the ST .46. 

Alfadawg has a great set up with his Formula S and his DS .54!

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« Reply #79 on: September 22, 2014, 07:12:23 AM »
Well I guess I'm fickle but I think my next build after I finish the take-apart Desperado on the table now will be the Ballerina III.  Had the plans already but just bought a kit made by Windancer models that I didn't know existed.  It's been many moons since I've built an I beam and might be good practice since I'd like to do a Desperado I beam sometime.  Looking over the engines I think I'm going to put a Merco .35 in it to be different.  I'm sure the originals used the Fox but it's not called out on the plans. 
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« Reply #80 on: September 24, 2014, 07:24:44 PM »
   Bill,
  I had a TT  .36 in it & it was ok but I doubt it would be good in the wind.  A couple years ago Don Mclave told me the 600 inch planes need a .50 in them so I finally stuffed the Double Star in him & it's better.
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« Reply #81 on: March 16, 2020, 07:02:58 PM »
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Check out the "VUM-18" if you want a Hungarian stunter. Pete Peterson had one (Enya .45) and liked the way it flew a lot. I always thought it was a homely design, but it's certainly not going to be mistaken for a Nobler!
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as some years before you adviced, now it is possible to access to several Hungarian classics, like the "VUM-18".  Among others, now a digital archive is opened to help "home schools" as we are enforced to close all our schools now, because of Corona virus, in Hungary. Modellers magazine "Modellezés" is accessible from 1959 till 1989.
Here is a link:
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« Reply #82 on: March 17, 2020, 02:29:58 PM »
The VUM really does fly very well.  Bob Brookins in Des Moines built one and I helped with the test flights.  He has an LA .46 in his. 
I’d like to find more European and Iron Curtain designs to build in the future .  You sort of tire of all the usual subjects.  I have a KA 5 under construction that will use the Tono 5.6.  It should be finished in a month or two.

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« Reply #83 on: March 17, 2020, 07:05:38 PM »
Dear Dave,
I can browse and transforward to you all the links, which belong to Hungarian fullsize stunt plans.
If you want to download them for free, simply registrate into "Arcanum" database. (no need for speakig Hungarian :)  )
If you are experienced database diver, you won't need my help, that link is enough to start, as it was written yesterday.
Let us enjoy this gift of Corona in next 30 days! :)
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« Reply #84 on: March 19, 2020, 09:52:38 AM »
Istvan that would be great!   I’m a few years ahead on my regular competition airplane fleet so may be looking for a classic project or two to build in the near future.

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« Reply #85 on: August 23, 2020, 02:11:23 PM »
Here is My KA10 built some time ago for a Stalker 61. Excellent design

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« Reply #86 on: August 23, 2020, 04:19:45 PM »
Apologies if this was posted elsewhere in this thread I didn't see it..

There are 2 KA-10 plans posted on Hippocket. (Strangely in the Scale Stunt section).

https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/details.php?image_id=1566
https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/details.php?image_id=933

Both appear at 1st glance to be the same plan.

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« Reply #87 on: August 23, 2020, 09:53:09 PM »
  Nice looking plane Glen.
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« Reply #88 on: August 25, 2020, 06:33:24 PM »
I've loved the looks of that plane since I first time I ever saw it.  Yours is beautiful Glen.

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« Reply #89 on: August 26, 2020, 03:09:34 AM »
Thanks for the comments guys. Glen

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« Reply #90 on: October 08, 2020, 03:03:24 PM »
Do you guys know if there are any kits available for the KA?  I've got the plans and I'll take a shot at building from them but I'd love to come across the kit, even a short one or foam wings.

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« Reply #91 on: October 08, 2020, 06:52:41 PM »
Brian, I have built a KA 10 kit from Tom Dixon. Foam wing. Nicely done!
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« Reply #92 on: October 08, 2020, 08:14:00 PM »
Bill, I hope someone out there has info or a kit they want to part with.

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« Reply #93 on: October 08, 2020, 10:07:13 PM »
Schtolen for the Yatsenko site . NOTE , the LAST LINE , which I havnt deleted , would appear to be regarding the Yatsenko Airfoil - NOT the Kolesnikov ! . so disregard that , in this instance .

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The successful airfoil was found from the talk with Anatoliy Kolesnikov. To the question, why his last wing airfoil have  visible  small radius on the leading edge (KA-8 model), it was answer, that the first models had large radius edge,  but it was difficult 1 lap gliding before the landing, and was not enough sharp in the air. With the sharp edge  the gliding ability become better. Also he said that one line location of the engine-wing-stabilizer creates the feeling of symmetric model control. And he had real feeling, that with this model he do not need so many training for good result, as with his old model, not one line. Seeing very stability flights of Anatoliys models, I had tried to create something new. According to my understanding of the airfoil configuration from the experience and this talk, I had created the airfoil that was found as very successful.  Models become to fly stability in wind and it was feeling of easy turning, with good stability then. First airfoil had the thickness 56 mm, then was modified to 64 mm thickness, more stability for turbulent air.

Picture of a nice one here, on page 81 . https://pampacl.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/SN_Magazine_JUL_AUG_2008.pdf

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Jul 28, 2016 — Mike, Tom Dixon has plans for the KA-10 and a foam wing core. ... Then Yatsenko did one very similar that he called the CLASSIC in F2B. ... Milton I'd like to have a good copy of a full size line drawing for the 5.6 cc airplane above (said by a ... One that shows the ribs and formers, a cut file so to spe

Any of the foam wing blokes should be good for a foam wing ( theres a thing ) with The TEMPLATES . of just cut templates & stack ribs .

The top link here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDrj5LEWqpjfGbUqwfwJ4nA will get you a bigger real KA something drawing . Also KA series history . if youve got ' translate ' .

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« Reply #94 on: October 09, 2020, 02:24:17 AM »
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There are 2 KA-10 plans posted on Hippocket. (Strangely in the Scale Stunt section).

https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/details.php?image_id=1566
https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/details.php?image_id=933

Both appear at 1st glance to be the same plan.
There's a plan also at https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=10347
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