Author Topic: Boomers (Pictures Added) (Read 4095 times)

Tom Niebuhr · « **on:** March 03, 2011, 07:27:04 PM »

The thread on Jim Vornholt has led to some asking about how many of these beautiful Boomer Stunters have been seen. I am also repeating pictures of Lew Wolgast with his Mackey "Gobbleswantz" and me with my Mackey "Carousel". Also a picture of my almost completed Sheeks "Sea Vixen"

Can anyone add to this list?

Jack Sheeks:
2/64 FM "La Donna" I-Beam, Booms
4/66 FM "Sea Vixen" CF033 I-Beam,Swept wing, booms
1/69 FM "Torino" S CF149 I-Beam,Swept wing, booms
6-72 FM "Bewitched" Plan # CF267

Bewitched is Flying Models plan number CF267, issue 6-72

Charles Mackey:
6/59 FM "Gobbleswantz"
1960 FM "Crusader"
3/61 FM "Carousel"

Jean Pailet:
3/64 M.A.N. "Pegasus"

Bob Randall:
"Liberator" (I have plans that Bob gave to me)

Lew McFarland:
September/October American Modeler "P-38 Twin"

Bill Suarez:
4/60 M.A.N. "P-38"

Vince Micchia:
1968 FM "The Boomer" profile

Ted Goyet:
"Mac Pacer"

Rick Loomis,
"Two Bits" 1965.
72 inch, wing based on the Thunderbird, McCoy 35 in back, 29 in front. Winner Senior Stunt, '67 Nats.

Airacobra · « **Reply #1 on:** March 04, 2011, 08:34:35 AM »

Don't forget "The Boomer" I think it was designed by Vince Michia. I built one with a ST 35 on it. The plane flew well, but I could never get the engine sorted out. I have actually contemplated building another one.

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2011, 02:17:28 PM »

Keith,
Do you have any details on "The Boomer", where was it published or flown. When. Do you have any pictures. We would love to see it.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #3 on:** March 04, 2011, 02:51:27 PM »

Also Jack Sheeks' Bewitched. I built one in high school. Flew really well as I recall.

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #4 on:** March 04, 2011, 06:26:14 PM »

I added "The Boomer" to the above list.

Randy can you give us more info on "Bewitched"? Picture? Article?

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2011, 06:34:52 PM »

I will try to show some of the boomers. I will need help with pictures. Thanks to Tom Wilk's Classic CD for his scanned articles.

Vince Micchia:
1968 FM "The Boomer" profile

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #6 on:** March 04, 2011, 06:42:49 PM »

Sheeks:
2/64 FM "La Donna" I-Beam, Booms

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2011, 06:51:11 PM »

Sheeks:
1/69 FM "Torino" S CF149 I-Beam,Swept wing, booms

This John Miller's "Torino"

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2011, 06:56:35 PM »

Mackey:
1960 FM "Crusader"

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2011, 07:00:59 PM »

Lew McFarland:
September/October American Modeler "P-38 Twin"

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #10 on:** March 04, 2011, 07:04:19 PM »

Bill Suarez:
4/60 M.A.N. "P-38"

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #11 on:** March 04, 2011, 07:06:49 PM »

Jean Pailet:
3/64 M.A.N. "Pegasus

Randy Powell · « **Reply #12 on:** March 04, 2011, 08:47:52 PM »

Tom,

It was in an early 70s Flying Models. I have the magazine and the plans. I'll look it up tomorrow.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #13 on:** March 05, 2011, 07:02:46 AM »

I could not find the "Bewitched" in the AMA plans listing. Did find the "Boomer", Flying Models 4/68 Micchia $13.00 AMA - #36145 Pond # 88b6. Have the Suarez P-38 plans in the shop. Look at it every so often and it doesn't look right to me so it goes back in the stash.

PS:As much as some people dislike the AMA they do have most of the plans we sometimes look for. Remember the family of John Pond donated all of his plans to the AMA. jeh

Randy Powell · « **Reply #14 on:** March 05, 2011, 06:58:38 PM »

Bewitched is Flying Models plan number CF267, issue 6-72

Dennis Adamisin · « **Reply #15 on:** March 05, 2011, 07:55:52 PM »

I like boomers that are beamers. Tough call between the Sea Vixen and the Torino as to which I like best. Now that Tom & John did those so well it kinda "spoils" them for us mere mortals!

LONG time ago there was a gentleman from Canada named Darcy Hannenberg (sp?) who used to come to MW area contests had a real pretty Gobbleswanz that seemed to fly well. I remember watching John Davis fly a Carousel - he usually did quite well too.

I've got the plans for the Torino, the Bewitched and Lew's P-38. Maybe some day...

EddyR · « **Reply #16 on:** March 06, 2011, 06:54:53 AM »

Dennis This is for you. This Boomer is modeled after one of your early long wing models. The numbers are all yours. I flew this with a ST/46 and later with a ST/56. I flew it in a lot of contest and even won a few in Expert with it. The odd thing with this model is it was a super good model in the wind.
Ed

Ward Van Duzer · « **Reply #17 on:** March 06, 2011, 07:21:11 AM »

Li'l Lightning, Walt Huges AT 5102

AT Interceptor, Walt Huges AT 5104

Is my New Jersey showing?

W

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #18 on:** March 06, 2011, 08:58:46 AM »

Ed,
That is a good looking boomer.

Ward,
Thanks for the inputes. Maybe someone has pictures.

BTW, you "Jersey" always shows!. Just like mine.

Ward Van Duzer · « **Reply #19 on:** March 06, 2011, 01:13:44 PM »

HUGHES corrected from previous post...

Pictures of both in Morris's Old Time Stunt Construction Drawings

Have we forgotton the two YO-YO's?

W.

David Shad · « **Reply #20 on:** March 06, 2011, 01:18:01 PM »

Here is Will Hinton's Ephesian...BIG ship...lives here in Georgia now...PA 75...hoping for some good flying weather to go try it out.

Ward Van Duzer · « **Reply #21 on:** March 07, 2011, 08:59:24 AM »

Or the Sarpolus WILD GOOSE?

Kinda goin' the wrong direction, but a boomer just the same!

W

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #22 on:** March 07, 2011, 03:46:50 PM »

Ward,
Based on that I guess you could include Williamson's "Whichaway", but we are really talking about true competitive stunters.

Will Hinton's airplane looks nice with that paint scheme. That is the best picture that I have seen of it.

Dave Adamisin · « **Reply #23 on:** March 09, 2011, 01:03:47 PM »

Quote from: Tom Niebuhr on March 04, 2011, 06:51:11 PM

Sheeks:
1/69 FM "Torino" S CF149 I-Beam,Swept wing, booms

This John Miller's "Torino"

I've seen John's Torino, pretty plane....

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #24 on:** March 09, 2011, 09:03:37 PM »

Found another Boomer.

Ref Mar/April Stunt News. page 63.

Bob Duncan's "Mac Pacer" designed by Ted Goyet.

I am sure that Bob can supply more details.

Scott Richlen · « **Reply #25 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:19:43 AM »

Ed Ruane: Let's see more pictures of your boomer. It looks great going away, how about coming towards? And a side view?

Thanks,
Scott

Bill Little · « **Reply #26 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:22:48 AM »

Ol' Eddy can be very creative when it comes to these models. Some very good examples of great flying machines that are "not of the norm".

More pics if you have them, Ed!

Big Bear

Bill Little · « **Reply #27 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:32:24 AM »

Actually, my choices to build in the "Boomers" would be, in order (I love scale/semi scale!):

1. P-38: Bill Suarez

2. Sea Vixen: Jack Sheeks (might move ahead of the P-38 due to its "uniqueness")

3. Torino: Jack Sheeks

Big Bear

Steve Thomas · « **Reply #28 on:** March 11, 2011, 04:36:23 PM »

That Carousel is a lovely-looking thing, and I wouldn't mind building one. Do they need a light engine (eg Max-S 35 or Fox), or would something like an FP35 be OK?

EddyR · « **Reply #29 on:** March 11, 2011, 06:43:14 PM »

Guys it will be a day or to to get the boomer pictures together as they were taken long befor the digital camera days.
Ed

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #30 on:** March 11, 2011, 09:09:39 PM »

There is another "Carousel" in my near future. I have already started the layout for laser ribs, and will also do the fuselage (nose) and doublers, formers and booms for laser cutting.

Charles Mackey has given me permission to sell a short kit, or full kit, but I think that a short kit will be better if there is interest.

I have to finish the "Sea Vixen" and "Swift" first.

Steve,
I don't think you will have to worry about modern engines, I would go with a .40 instead of the FP .35. I had a Big Art FP.40 in mine and my new "Carousel" will have a LA .46. The LA .46 is an amazing off the shelf stunt engine.

Steve Thomas · « **Reply #31 on:** March 12, 2011, 02:11:45 AM »

Thanks Tom, I'd definitely be interested in a short kit if you sell some.

Steve

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #32 on:** March 15, 2011, 03:37:17 PM »

Here is a beautiful "LaDonna" that is at now at VSC. Thanks to John Miller for the picture.

Scott Richlen · « **Reply #33 on:** March 15, 2011, 05:44:16 PM »

So, would it be considered "bad form" to mount the engine in the Pegasus sideways so the cylinder head doesn't break up that beautiful profile? Would the Supreme High Judges of Classic file an injunction and debit your score?

I recall the designer writing that it came out a little heavy, so maybe an LA-46? (Which happens to run fabulously when mounted in profile.)

Scott

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #34 on:** March 15, 2011, 06:03:45 PM »

Scott,
I know Jean Pailet pretty well. He tended to build heavy, but remember that we have better building techniques today. The purpose is to recreate the airplanes. If there are no fidelity points, I guess you can do it, but I wouldn't. The LA .46 is perhaps the best off the shelf stunt engine ever. It wakes up all the Classics.

Bill Little · « **Reply #35 on:** March 16, 2011, 01:50:42 PM »

Quote from: Scott Richlen on March 15, 2011, 05:44:16 PM

So, would it be considered "bad form" to mount the engine in the Pegasus sideways so the cylinder head doesn't break up that beautiful profile? Would the Supreme High Judges of Classic file an injunction and debit your score?

I recall the designer writing that it came out a little heavy, so maybe an LA-46? (Which happens to run fabulously when mounted in profile.)

Scott

Hi Scott,

Outside of VSC, who uses "Fidelity Points"? Just asking since out of all the Classic events I have ever entered, only one ever assigned them. And they were simply a duplicate of AP. No one locally uses them, anymore, to my knowledge. And as for "DQ", there is no provision, so side mounted would be a preference of yours. Other pilots might have something to say if their bubbles are a bit off level.......... OTS/Classic/Nos. 30 are "supposed" to be for "fun" and for the older designs to be presented. (I guess there are some nut jobs who have really strong opinions, but that's another subject AND, it's not pointed at my great friend Tom N.!)

Bill

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #36 on:** March 16, 2011, 02:53:12 PM »

Just to clarify, I did not say that you could not change the engine mounting, I just said that I personally wouldn't. If I were to change the mounting I think the airplane would look great with an inverted engine.

Bill Little · « **Reply #37 on:** March 16, 2011, 03:23:25 PM »

Quote from: Tom Niebuhr on March 16, 2011, 02:53:12 PM

Just to clarify, I did not say that you could not change the engine mounting, I just said that I personally wouldn't. If I were to change the mounting I think the airplane would look great with an inverted engine.

Hi Tom,

And I pointed out my post was not aimed at you.

IMHO, and only that, I believe "most" people who fly OTS/Classic/Nos.30 try to keep everything as close to the original as possible. I do not understand the paranoia some (not you) exhibit when something is mentioned that is a change to the "norm". I do not see changes that do not affect the flying capabilities of the model as harmful in most cases. We allow things like adj. LOs and tip weight boxes. These DO affect the flying attributes of the model in that quick trimming changes can be done on the spot. Those, to some degree, would be more of a "change" than inverting, or sidewinding the engine. Lots of the original Veco kits show either inverted or upright engines, and during the Classic era many planes were modified to one from the other as shown in photographs from the period. Personally, I would rather see a model show up with the engine's orientation changed than for an example not to show up at all.

Bill

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #38 on:** March 16, 2011, 03:43:47 PM »

Bill,
I agree. We had something called "originality" that required us to make it a little different. This helped create rapid development of stunt planes.

The two best looking "T'birds" that I have ever seen were converted to inverted engine with a rudder change, wheel pants, and bubble canopy. This was several years before the "T'bird II" came out.

When it comes to leadouts and tip weights, allowing adjustments makes a lot of sense. We always had adjustable features, but in the OTS and Classic era we used an exacto knife to make the changes. It is much better now.

Scott Richlen · « **Reply #39 on:** March 16, 2011, 05:00:31 PM »

Tom/Bill:

That was just a "what-if" question on my part. At the rate I get airplanes completed, you wouldn't be looking at a Pegasus with side mounted LA-46 from me anytime soon. And by then, it would be entered in "Classic - Early 21st Century"

I think I need an "intervention...."

Scott

Bill Little · « **Reply #40 on:** March 16, 2011, 05:02:46 PM »

Quote from: Scott Richlen on March 16, 2011, 05:00:31 PM

Tom/Bill:

That was just a "what-if" question on my part. At the rate I get airplanes completed, you wouldn't be looking at a Pegasus with side mounted LA-46 from me anytime soon. And by then, it would be entered in "Classic - Early 21st Century"

I think I need an "intervention...."

Scott

LOL!! Unfortunately, I know the feeling. But things are getting better.

Bill

Randy Powell · « **Reply #41 on:** March 16, 2011, 05:23:54 PM »

When I've built classic planes, I always want a reliable engine. Not necessarily more power (though that's nice) than the original Fox or whatever was in it, but something that I can put in fuel, flip the prop and fly without too much goofing around. I've been, uh, lightly admonished let's say, for putting a PA 40UL in the nose of a Cobra. It's got a lot of power, but it was mostly because it's a dead reliable engine and I didn't want to mess up the nose with a muffler hanging out the side.

Bill Little · « **Reply #42 on:** March 16, 2011, 05:33:24 PM »

Hi Randy,

You've had trouble getting consistent runs out of "classic" engines?

Bill

Chris McMillin · « **Reply #43 on:** May 03, 2011, 04:54:28 PM »

Bob Whitely flew Rick Loomis' twin-boom twin at VSC a couple of years back.

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #44 on:** May 03, 2011, 06:04:34 PM »

Thanks Chris, I forgot about that one.

Does anyone have the info on the "Two Bits": Magazine; designer; date; span? Then I can add it to the list.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #45 on:** May 04, 2011, 10:07:56 AM »

Designed by Rick (?) Loomis, but I remember watching Whitely flying it in the wind with the 2 Aerotiger 36s. He was, ah, having fun. It's a big plane.

Chris McMillin · « **Reply #46 on:** May 08, 2011, 11:03:39 AM »

Hi Tom,
Randy has it about right;
Rick Loomis, 1965. 72 inch, wing based on the Thunderbird, McCoy 35 in back, 29 in front. Winner Senior Stunt, '67 Nats. He has built six of them through the years. Aero Tigers in this one, flown by Whitely at VSC. I flew it in SoCal, someone else has it now, maybe Bob Harness.
Chris...

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #47 on:** May 09, 2011, 07:02:00 AM »

Chris,
Was the "Two Bits" published? If so, what issue of what magazine?

builditright · « **Reply #48 on:** May 09, 2011, 05:29:45 PM »

This was my kit prototype..

Author Topic: Boomers (Pictures Added) (Read 4095 times)

Dave Adamisin