Three photos, Ray Willman with round tail Guardian, Terry Herron's Class 1 Judy and my 36" Sterling Guardian done as a round tail. it was powered with a Rossi 60 ABC, Kavan pressure carb. The engine was reworked by Dave Wallick. What a rush flying that one. These were taken in 70 or 72 at Glenview NAS. Navy NATS were great.
Wayne

Up until just a few years ago, Terry Herron was always at Topeka with a Japanese Betty, maybe it was a Judy, I think it was Rossi powered. It had the high speed, for sure.  dg

Those were the days...

Thre more snapshots, Tony Nacarato at Glenview, me launching Heywood's Skyshark, and guess, those airplanes, at least one is from Detroit.
Wayne
"Those were the days"
BTW, I have slides, how do I post those?

I was there in 70 and 72.  Bill Johnson had one that would get close to 130 mph but would not idle.  When he slowed it down it finally idled.  Both officials I had a good high speed and comfortable low speed, but, would flame out on landing.  Ray Wilman's boys tried to fly carrier a few years back, but, did not like the hanging.  As they stated it didn't look real.  DOC Holliday

There is no requirement to fly in the hang at 60 degrees. If someone doesn't like it don't, fly low speed at any degree they feel is appropiate. I don't feel it is a good reason not to fly carrier. It is true they may not bring home a trophy but I hope they are flying for fun and comradery not trophies.

Lets get something straight right now, if the sliders didnt practically fly out of the back of the airplane, if a 30 degree max angle had to be maintained and the deck was put back where it used to be, which was launching and landing with the wind at the flyers back, there would be no hanging, no constant 100 point landings and no extremely long low speed flights. I'm with the Welmans, I fly my way and I still dont have to like flying non prototypically.
Wayne
 

     Well Wayne lets get something straight, I find it hard to believe that you and the more than several others that post on this forum can continually put down the AMA carrier events day after day, week after week, as if you and the more than several are some sort of exiled kings of "Remember When". I and many other people fly AMA carrier and although we may not always agree on all things "carrier" we don't sit on the other side of the fence and throw hand grenades at each other.
     There has been an effort to bring in some unofficial events that would give the people that don't want to fly AMA carrier events another venue that they could enjoy. I'm pretty sure that I and the others who just fly the AMA events would love to see you and the more than several fly your airplanes in the events that you would like to fly them in. We would not be standing around on the side lines committing on how dumb your events were. We would be right in there with you helping anyway we could.  Eric

 I remember the good old days too! Flying that 100+ high speed with that big old Rossi (talk about unrealistic) sticking out of the cowling. Trying to idle down for a low speed run of 30 or 40 mph. Slamming into the deck trying to land. Breaking the prop on every flight.Ripping the hook out or tearig the tail off. Breaking or bending the landing gear on every landing. Building a couple of new planes every year because of crash damage. Sometimes we would get lucky and be able to repair the damage between contests but the models got heavy and ugly by years end the high speed got slower and low speed suffered with the weight increase too. After a few years of this some of us got good enough that we could do a complete flight without the damage every time but most everyone didn't fly enough to get that good so it was brutal most of the time.
 Along came sliders and better engines and we could finally get slow. Now I don't tear up airplanes and equipment but it still take a lot of practice to get good, but doesn't everything?
 The point is there are enough classes for everyone to fly what ever style they like but the excuse to not fly because it isn't the way it used to be isn't valid.In the near future carrier event will be gone and we will be too old to fly it if it were. So get out there now and fly what ever style event you want, while you still can.
 And that's the truth

The picture of the Detroit Carrier Planes in 1970 are Rick Sawicki's Light Blue Sky Pirate Class II, Rick's LN Newport Class I and Marion Sawicki Class II Guardian. My brother Rick won Class I Open, Father was I believe third in Class I. He won Class I Open in 1969 and I won Junior Class I and II in 1970.  Rob Sawicki

I missed seeing Rick at the Signal Seekers Stunt contest in August. Does Rick still have plans for the Skypirate? Maybe next year we can get together, tell him I said hello.
Thanks
Wayne

As originally written, the rules for Carrier explicitly prohibited any device that would alter the yaw of the model during flight and during slow flight required that the model maintain a flight attitude consistent with its full sized counterpart. The originators did this to keep the event relevant.

Unfortunately, the quest for ultimate performance, supported by self serving rules changes, has made the event so esoteric that any sense of relevance is gone. A sort of scale model of a lackluster between the wars observation plane flying around like an A.J. Ceiling Walker simply doesn't mean anything, no matter how much skill it takes to accomplish the task.

What Wayne's pics don't show were the crowds of spectators that watched Carrier. They loved it. They understood the speed, the slow flight, and the skill required to make a landing. They understood fighters and attack planes.

So...I'm returning to the fray, but on my terms. No sliders...No Mo-1's.

Bob

As originally written, the rules for Carrier explicitly prohibited any device that would alter the yaw of the model during flight and during slow flight required that the model maintain a flight attitude consistent with its full sized counterpart. The originators did this to keep the event relevant.

Unfortunately, the quest for ultimate performance, supported by self serving rules changes, has made the event so esoteric that any sense of relevance is gone. A sort of scale model of a lackluster between the wars observation plane flying around like an A.J. Ceiling Walker simply doesn't mean anything, no matter how much skill it takes to accomplish the task.

What Wayne's pics don't show were the crowds of spectators that watched Carrier. They loved it. They understood the speed, the slow flight, and the skill required to make a landing. The understood fighters and attack planes.

So...I'm returning to the fray, but on my terms. No sliders...No Mo-1's.

Bob

Bravo Bob, well done.
Wayne

I'm new to this carrier game but completely agree with what Bob said above. Spent 4 years playing on a carrier in the 60's and never saw an airplane come in tail first. Sure it's rough to land at 30 or 40 MPH but isn't that part of the fun.. Build the airplane tough enough to take it and have fun.

The airplane I'm going to build won't be competitive by todays standards but I don't care it's all about having fun and if I have to fix it once in a while I'll learn where the weak points are.

Bob, welcome to the club.
Wayne

More pictures, year unknown but I believe it was the Cleveland Junior Air Races, a AAA meet when carrier was popular. Two Corsairs and a Sea Fury I believe. Notice no sliders on the Corsairs but a slider on the Sea Fury. Also notice an MO-1 trying to sneak in.
Wayne

Black & white photos, as requested by the magazines back in the day.

Obviously, there were a lot of people who wanted to watch a US Navy fighter go 105, 110, or maybe 120 MPH and try to land on the deck at 20 or 23 MPH, compared to watching an obsure observation plane of questionable heritage hang by its prop all day if the flyer and center judge are on good terms.

Wayne, Great Photos bring back a lot of memories. People don't remember but the actual Navy Personal use to judge and time Navy Carrier up till 1972. Notice Judges with hardhats in the one photo. Bob Sawicki

Bob, I bet you are correct, The airshow was always on Sunday, we use to fly Carrier on Saturday so the Navy Personal could judge and time the event. Rob Sawicki

The top picture of the Corsair has an MO-1 in it, just barely visible ahead of the Corsair.

In the bottom photo of the sea Fury there is an MO-1 behind the hawker.

Those MO-1 lovers can pick one out of a picture with only a few square inches visible!

Chris...

A good scanner with your computor should do the trick.  Also as MO-1's are so ughly, they stand out like sore thumbs.    LL~DOC Holliday

I assume you want me to just lay the slides on the scanner?
Please advise.
Thanks
Wayne

They make special scanners for that.

I converted some slides to digital just by projecting them on a white wall and re-fo-grapping with my hand-held digital.  OK quaility for here and zero cost.   These were some very old slides and the quality wasn't all that good to begin with.

The C-5 was taken over Oklahoma on one the first-ever C-5 air refuelings.

The Nike picture is so old, Detroit Public Schools actually welcomed Army displays then.  Most likely with a $3.95 Kodak Brownie.