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Offline Vincent Corwell

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Teaching with 3rd line ? ?
« on: November 24, 2009, 03:42:21 AM »
I am setting up trainer with 3 rd line for throttle so I can slow down for beginners

with a 3 line setup if I set the throttle for reduced speed , can the 3rd be left in that

position and only fly on the normal 2 lines for up and down ? What I have in mind is

to make a handle, like this crude sketch, with a slider on top of the handle to the 3rd

line , telling beginner not to alter it , the handle design also allows me to give / take

bake the handle during flight, looking for new ideas please. Thanks in advance

Vincent

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Re: Teaching with 3rd line ? ?
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2009, 06:11:02 AM »
Don't have enough (any) experience with 3 line control yet but if I were doing it I would add a thumb screw to lock the 3rd line in position. Not sure if that will work but would help keep the trainee or other forces from changing it. You could also eliminate the 3rd line and have the throttle adjustable on the airplane...

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Re: Teaching with 3rd line ? ?
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2009, 07:42:14 AM »
Not a bad idea, I have used a throttle controlled plane to teach few folks but if just teaching is what you are looking for, another option is to use a shut-off. That way if the student gets dizzy you can just end the flight. I have found that this works better for primary instruction. Brodak makes a good one that I think is on sale at S&S.  For a simple throttle handle and bellcrank, I'd just contact Joe Just for his system. It's already proven and inexpensive.  8)
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Re: Teaching with 3rd line ? ?
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2009, 09:08:58 AM »
Here is the "Penguin"  Trainer, the type of 3-line bellcrank we are using and offering and a picture of the economical handle we have been making. the handle can be made to pre-set the throttle speed, but remember, there often is a need to increase speed so I think the slow speed set should be made so that emergency fast speed can be attained. Just my thoughts.  I encourage you to contiunue your efforts.

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Re: Teaching with 3rd line ? ?
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2009, 09:46:41 AM »
What you propose is quite do-able.  One caution that I would add is that in the sketch you drew, note that rocking the handle forward or back changes the position of the throttle line w/respect to the elevation lines, so there MIGHT be some coupling of elevator control -> throttle.  The real effects of this would depend on the total control system geometry, of course and in most cases probably wouldn't amount to much.  You can remove this effect by figuring out some way to make the throttle line exit the handle between the elevator lines.

I take it that you consider it beneficial for YOU to be able to throttle back after take-off and then give the handle to the beginner.  If all you want is to be able to knock some RPM off the engine before take-off, then just locking down the throttle push rod would give you that ability.

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Re: Teaching with 3rd line ? ?
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2009, 02:05:04 PM »
Hi Vince


  Our little group has done a lot with young folks - we always have trainers with us wherever we go but the handle problem has been one generating a lot of thought.  We opted for a double handle with the second one outboard of and behind the one the student would use.   The biggest drawback with ours is the trainers input to the plane is a bit slower but the positive side is you don't have to have the student let go of the control just let the instructor assist and the instructor can let go whenever he wants to.   With the one handle you still have the safety thong to contend with - and not having one can be bad as well as setting up a bad procedure.  FWIW,  this has worked well for us with .15 sized planes, FS Trainer mostly.

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Re: Teaching with 3rd line ? ?
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2009, 03:22:08 AM »
Thank you friends, I have it sorted now, will proceed with this version
Pictures show throttle open and  closed, I can operate this with my
left hand and the throttle will maintain its setting as the pivot is locked
with star washers , takes more effort than the line pull to move it
My normal teaching is to take off stabilise the plane , have the student
follow my rigid arm , then take the handle , in the beginning I stay and
mirror his arm with mine until he is settled, I squat for maybe 6 laps and
then take back the handle to prevent him/her getting dizzy and repeat
that until we have had enough for that session , then I can cut the throttle
and land the plane, I get many beginners and setting up sessions is difficult
because of prolonged bad weather, I want to have an ideal setup

Vincent

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Re: Teaching with 3rd line ? ?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2009, 08:52:19 AM »
Looks like it should work well.. Good teaching...


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