Author Topic: HMAS Seaford - Downunder (Read 2965 times)

Paul Stein · « **on:** May 19, 2009, 09:19:38 PM »

Guys,

Latest results and photos from the May 2009 Navy Carrier comp in Melbourne Australia - 'Latest News'

http://clamf.aerosports.net.au/

Cheers,

Paul

Mike Anderson · « **Reply #1 on:** May 19, 2009, 10:18:49 PM »

Paul -

Thanks for that link --

Looks like you guys had a lot of fun.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #2 on:** May 21, 2009, 09:11:04 AM »

Great shots of the carrier planes. DOC Holliday

roger · « **Reply #3 on:** June 24, 2009, 02:13:50 PM »

hey paul where did you get a yellow prop for your corsair? i dont think you painted it right? it sure showes up good.

Paul Stein · « **Reply #4 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:32:09 PM »

Quote from: roger on June 24, 2009, 02:13:50 PM

hey paul where did you get a yellow prop for your corsair? i dont think you painted it right? it sure showes up good.

Hi Roger,

The yellow prop is a Kavan job... 9 x 6... purchased from Hobby Lobby ages ago.. not sure if available any longer... they do tend to break at the tips. A few of the chaps here are using Master Airscrew props and although they seem stiffer and more brittle seem to hold up very well.

Cheers,

Paul

roger · « **Reply #5 on:** June 26, 2009, 06:54:55 AM »

ok got you old boy. what model is that plane and how hard was that wing to assemble? and what motor is in there/

Paul Stein · « **Reply #6 on:** June 26, 2009, 04:51:50 PM »

Quote from: roger on June 26, 2009, 06:54:55 AM

ok got you old boy. what model is that plane and how hard was that wing to assemble? and what motor is in there/

Hi Roger,

The model is a J Roberts Corsair from back inthe 70's - a recovery job (I will post some pics shortly).

If you are aware of the J Roberts series of kits from that era you will probably agree that you didn't need to have any building credentials.. you simply assembled the model as the quality was unsurpassed.. beautifully engineered non laser-cut kits !

The Corsair wing construction uses a variety of precision hardwood formers with all the correct angles especially for the gull wing.

The model is powered by a venerable HP40 - more for nostaligic reasons as these were the standard donk back in 70's and 80's... plenty of grunt very light and cheap (ebay) for the quality. HP's also have links back to Paul Bugl, legendary F2C engine designer/manufacturer.

Cheers,

Paul

Paul Stein · « **Reply #7 on:** June 26, 2009, 05:13:31 PM »

Quote from: roger on June 26, 2009, 06:54:55 AM

ok got you old boy. what model is that plane and how hard was that wing to assemble? and what motor is in there/

Hi Roger,

A few pics of Corsair during the recovery/rebuild phase. You can see how the wing is constructed.

Cheers,

Paul

Paul Stein · « **Reply #8 on:** June 26, 2009, 05:18:34 PM »

Quote from: roger on June 26, 2009, 06:54:55 AM

ok got you old boy. what model is that plane and how hard was that wing to assemble? and what motor is in there/

Hi Roger,

And a few more...

P.S. The 'dope' container is aircraft dope... ;o)

Cheers,

Paul

bfrog · « **Reply #9 on:** June 26, 2009, 05:31:36 PM »

Boy, talk about a rags to riches story!!

Nice restoration. It looks GREAT.

Bob

Wayne J. Buran · « **Reply #10 on:** June 26, 2009, 07:48:56 PM »

Paul, nice restoration on the Corsair.
Wayne

roger · « **Reply #11 on:** June 28, 2009, 03:26:23 PM »

y1holy cats exxxxellllant restore man thank you for sendeng me all this . wish i could find a re store like that....

roger · « **Reply #12 on:** June 28, 2009, 07:00:35 PM »

dose any body know if this is the same plane that brodak sells now?

roger · « **Reply #13 on:** June 28, 2009, 07:06:52 PM »

ps. come to think of it i think have the plans for this plane i got them from e-bay hmmmmmmmm! without looking through a part box and trying to build that wing is tough...

Wayne J. Buran · « **Reply #14 on:** June 28, 2009, 07:51:34 PM »

Quote from: roger on June 28, 2009, 07:00:35 PM

dose any body know if this is the same plane that brodak sells now?

If you mean CLP-29, thats a profile stunter with a 55" span. Thats not the J Roberts version. Brodak only shows the Skyraider and Bearcat from that J Roberts/Smurthwaite series which were flown in rofile carrier.
Wayne

Paul Stein · « **Reply #15 on:** June 28, 2009, 10:07:14 PM »

Quote from: roger on June 28, 2009, 07:00:35 PM

dose any body know if this is the same plane that brodak sells now?

Hi Roger,

Wayne is correct.

However, Brodak did sell a J-Roberts version of the Corsair (branded as Brodak) very early on.

I suspect that manufacturing costs of the Corsair far outweighed the return on investment and were subsequently discontinued.

Perhaps Brodak used left-overs from GS/J-Roberts era?... You will very occasionally see these kits on ebay.

The Skyraider and Bearcat are essentially the same kit.

Cheers,

Paul

roger · « **Reply #16 on:** June 29, 2009, 03:32:55 PM »

paul
i looked at my plans again and it sure looks like your restore . my wing is 52" the #1 rib is a hooked type ribi have a line of stars are in thelft. hand bottom corner. rt. hand elevator has the horn mount with 2 big holes in it. center of plan on rt. shows a stars sq. and says enjoy your investment do you think that this is the brodak corsair that hes selling?

Paul Stein · « **Reply #17 on:** June 29, 2009, 04:33:17 PM »

Quote from: roger on June 29, 2009, 03:32:55 PM

paul
i looked at my plans again and it sure looks like your restore . my wing is 52" the #1 rib is a hooked type ribi have a line of stars are in thelft. hand bottom corner. rt. hand elevator has the horn mount with 2 big holes in it. center of plan on rt. shows a stars sq. and says enjoy your investment do you think that this is the brodak corsair that hes selling?

Hi Roger,

Doubt it.. the GS/J-Roberts Corsair (designed for Navy Carrier) had a 40" wingspan. The current Brodak Corsair is designed for stunt and has the larger wingspan.

Paul

roger · « **Reply #18 on:** June 30, 2009, 06:40:25 AM »

OK THANKS PAUL...

afml · « **Reply #19 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:29:23 AM »

Quote from: Paul Stein on June 29, 2009, 04:33:17 PM

the GS/J-Roberts Corsair (designed for Navy Carrier) had a 40" wingspan.

Right you are Paul!

I have one of those kits NIB. It is kit #JR-1, WS 40", length 29", WA 315 sq. "Part of the "J.Roberts Series".
In looking in the Brodak Catalog #15A, P#62 is the full size plans: BP-1497-CLPJR1, and Canopy: BC-454.

Also have the Skyraider.

"Tight Lines!"

Wes

roger · « **Reply #20 on:** July 02, 2009, 03:08:56 PM »

paul
i know this is hard to ask ......and if you dont want to ill understand, but if you could ,would you take a picture of your plans so i could see if there the plans i have.

Paul Stein · « **Reply #21 on:** July 02, 2009, 04:50:33 PM »

Quote from: roger on July 02, 2009, 03:08:56 PM

paul
i know this is hard to ask ......and if you dont want to ill understand, but if you could ,would you take a picture of your plans so i could see if there the plans i have.

Hi Roger,

No problems... please find 4 photos of J-Roberts Corsair style kits..

1. Original profile Corsair kit box
2. Corsair profile plan (J-Roberts)
3. Original full body Corsair kit box
4. Corsair full body plan (metal cowl job, J-Roberts)

The full-body Corsair has balsa sheeted wings, less wing area and a different J-Roberts bellcrank

Cheers,

Paul

roger · « **Reply #22 on:** July 02, 2009, 06:39:02 PM »

#2 plans are exactly what i have

now to try to fiqure out that center section and that wing dip thanks paul wow

roger · « **Reply #23 on:** July 02, 2009, 06:43:45 PM »

the profile is the one

LL~oh im so happy.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #24 on:** July 04, 2009, 11:07:23 AM »

The built up Corsair had sheeted wings. The profile were fabric covered. I still have the profile kit, but, sold the built up kit like a dummy. DOC Holliday

roger · « **Reply #25 on:** July 09, 2009, 03:37:45 PM »

is it for sale doc?

john e. holliday · « **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2009, 09:56:24 AM »

NOPE. DOC Holliday

roger · « **Reply #27 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:38:13 PM »

VD~cant keep it forever

Leester · « **Reply #28 on:** July 16, 2009, 07:35:35 PM »

OK did GS come before the J-Roberts or after ? Doesn't make a difference to me just curious.

Mike Anderson · « **Reply #29 on:** July 16, 2009, 07:50:36 PM »

After - IRC, J. Robert sold the original company, then later started
GS as a new company.