I know a few would not like the idea, but I wonder how many people would like the to see the angle of airplane attitude dropped to less than 30 degrees?  First time I seen Bill Melton fly in Lincoln NEBRASKA, I don't think he exceeded 30 degrees.  He was about 3 to 5 feet off the ground during his low speed.  I can't remember if he took a first or not, but he did have a score that was awesome to  me.  Yes, I also know a lot of you have accomplished the hanging attitude with the line slider.  Also watching the planes from different parts of the circle you can see the that if you take out the ourward yaw, the planes are exceeding the 60 degrees by quite a bit.  Just can't see it from the center.  Even tho after all the years of center judging I was in formed I was doing it wrong.  At an airshow one of the Navy pilots did a fly by that was to simulate an extreme slow speed flight.  He had every thing hanging out and still was probably at 45 degrees.  Maybe a bonus points for the realism of flight, especially landing!  Just thinking again as I can get my SkyRay to hang but have an inconsistant engine.  Still needs work.   

no hanging... buy a chopper

Joe's point is well taken. I like the idea of classes very much. That's why we have the Sportsman class in Profile. (There is absolutely no reason that we couldn't also have a Sportsman class in all the other events, too, if we have enough turnout to have more than one person in each category/class.) So this like like two thirds of Joe's three classes. The only problem I have seen is we can't get enough people to enter Sportsman! (We also have trouble getting enough contest sponsors to have Sportsman.) There is no problem classifying people to force them into the Open class, since people tend to go into Open of their own accord even more frequently than they should.
If we can't get two classes to work, is it likely we would get three classes to work? How? I really, really think Sportsman is a good event, and always push to have it included in any contest I have anything to do with. I'm just stumped as to how to get more people to fly in Sportsman. Until we can solve that one, skill classes in Carrier can't really progress.
Pete

A Stunt flyers opinion.. Sportsman should really be "Intermediate" because sliders are allowed. Beginner should be 36 profile no sliders. The result would be 4 classes with a logical progression.

My thinking and I know I usually get in trouble.  But, what is wrong with Beginner,  Sportsman and Expert?   We have Beginner in stunt and nobody complains.  In fact some stay there too long.  After several contests a Beginner should be able to move up to Sportsman. 

hoooooray !!!

The name "Sportsman" was selected because the idea is that this class would include not only beginners but also experienced fliers who chose to compete on a relaxed level, perhaps not using a slider, not trying to hang, or not buying an expensive engine. Perhaps it is a contestant who wants to build airplanes he likes, not airplanes that are highly competitive. The term "Sportsman" is much better for the inclusion of such people. It is not exactly a skill class but a choice.
The rules for Sportsman have always been the same as those for Open profile so that, if the entrant is a beginner who wishes to progress, he can fly and compete with airplanes and techniques that will allow him to be competitive in Open once his skill levels advance enough to allow that. He can try to learn hanging, for example, if he wishes. If and when he succeeds with hanging, he would move to Open. Banning sliders in Sportsman restricts the choice and opportunities for the contestant needed to learn the skills to compete successfully in open.
We have all seen a lot of Sportsman competitions. Have you ever seen one won by someone who was hanging the airplane through the low speed? Me neither. So banning sliders in Sportsman is a really, really bad idea that will not do anything to make the non-hangers more competitive, just eliminate opportunities who would like to learn to fly with the Open competitors..
I hope this thread doesn't get into a push to eliminate all hanging and bring the events back to the way we flew in 1975. If you want to push that, kindly start another thread so those of us tired of those 35 year old arguments can ignore it completely.
Pete