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Joe Just

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angles to cut for Carrier deck
« on: February 28, 2014, 03:45:30 PM »
Sometime ago I saw a diagram on how to cut wood for a curved Carrier deck.  Each piece would have to be cut at angles so when put together the deck would be circular.  anybody know the angles? I am planning on building an "European Style" take-off only deck and need to know what angles to cut based on a deck that will be only 5 foot in width and just over 16 feet in total length. HELP!
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Re: angles to cut for Carrier deck
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2014, 03:50:47 PM »
Joe, what size pieces of wood are you using, do you want that to be 16 feet down the center, the outside or the inside, and what's the distance from the center of the circle to the 16-foot line you want to establish?  (No, I'm not a carrier guy -- that's why I have to ask about line lengths!)

I'll dump the trigonometric calculations on you if you want, but I suspect you just want the numbers.
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Re: angles to cut for Carrier deck
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2014, 04:14:26 PM »
Or:

1)  Lay one sheet of wood where it should be in relation to the center of the circle.  I.e: centered on a radius and perpendicular to the radius.

2)  Using a taut line, trace the line from each outboard corner toward the center.

3)  Remove the two triangles.

4)  Use that piece (trapazoid) to trace as many more sections as you need.


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Re: angles to cut for Carrier deck
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2014, 04:33:33 PM »
For a 5' wide deck with 60'0" radius for a center line, that would make the outside radius 62'6", and the inside radius 57'6". That's 690" inside radius, 750" outside radius. That ratio is .92. This means the inside edge length is .92 times the outside edge length. If the outside edge of the plywood is 48", the inside edge should be 44.16". This would mean you need to cut a 1.92" wide wedge off of each side. I'd say since the deck will be so short, just cut a 2" wedge off of each sheet of a 5' wide piece of plywood and call it good. If you can tolerate the deck only being 4 feet wide, use the plywood "long ways" instead of "wide ways". That would only take 2 sheets of plywood instead of four. You would cut a 3" wedge off each end so that one edge is 96" and the other edge is 90". Again, not micrometer perfect, but close enough.
(Actually you would only need to cut one edge of each piece. There would be no need to cut the bow edge or the stern edge, only the joint in the middle.)
« Last Edit: February 28, 2014, 07:41:07 PM by bill bischoff »

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Re: angles to cut for Carrier deck
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2014, 07:22:51 PM »
Making a 5-foot wide deck with American 4 x 8 building material will generate a lot of offal.
I guess you could splice the 3' offcut into 6' and cut it down to 5'.

Please 'splain the concept of a "takeoff only" deck.
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Re: angles to cut for Carrier deck
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2014, 08:29:07 PM »
Making a 5-foot wide deck with American 4 x 8 building material will generate a lot of offal.

I often generate a lot of "awful" when my saw meets plywood.

5-foot is an inconvenient width.
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Re: angles to cut for Carrier deck
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2014, 08:20:38 AM »
Last year I built a "trial deck"  using the British rules which call for a deck much smaller than those used in the AMA rule book.  While the methods used proved to be workable, last years deck was too narrow.  The European deck by the way is 5 foot by 27 feet and they only use 4 arresting lines with a take off area of slightly over 16 feet.  I suggest one go to Carrier-Deck on the net and see the pictures and rules there as well as a lot of fun other stuff.

Because my flying site (only 300 yards away) often has rough grass and weeds and sometimes is a difficult place to take off from I have decided to build the 'take-off" portion of the English deck for my practice sessions.  the deck itself will be made of 4 pieces of 2inch foam 2"x 4' by 8' cut to 5' by 4 ' .  Right now there is no plan on extending the deck to 27 feet which will give a 4 arresting line portion, although I do have an idea of a separate landing portion of 5 feet by 11.5 feet.  The deck, like the European decks will be set on risers about 12" high.  The left over portions of the foam deck (3x4') will be used to build the landing portion or will be used by me when making foam cores.

Tim, the deck should have a curved surface with a 60 foot line length to the center of the 5 foot width.  So again, I need to  know how to cut the 5' sections to match that curve. By the way, I really think the English rules are much better than the US rules in many respects, and more conducive to promoting the hobby/sport of Carrier flying.
Joe

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Re: angles to cut for Carrier deck
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2014, 08:48:31 AM »
When I helped Melvin build the deck for the NATS many years ago, we did the construction in his front yard.   We staked the tape at one end and run it out to get the 60 foot mark.   We made a little arc I think or maybe we laid the first sheet of ply down and centered it along the flight path of a circle.   We then marked the ply for the angle cut.   All the rest were marked using this one  sheet of ply.   I know it was a long day and Melvin painted the deck by his self after all the construction  was done.   1 X 4's were used for the framing.  Every other one of the sheets had the framing inset so when turned over the previous sheet would nestle in side.   Little square boxes wore also put in the open areas to keep the ply from sagging and storage of sand bags.  Also all the hardware was supposed to be in the storage boxes.   When all was stacked properly the deck was just a little over half the depth of just stacking the panels on top of each other.   I last time I seen the deck I couldn't believe how it had been treated during storage.  Don't know if Melvin still has the drawings or not.

PS: I too have looked at the carrier set up for the British deck.    Looks very interesting as to me it is more like a real deck.   The surface of the deck is higher from the grass.   They are able to start the engines on the deck for launch without bending/stooping over.   Also only four lines to attend to after a landing.   Granted the landing may be a little rougher then the US deck.   But it is smaller which mean less materials and I thing they say it can be set up by one person.   I also think they use 5 gallon buckets to set the deck on.   

Check out the site:          www.carrier-deck.com         .
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Re: angles to cut for Carrier deck
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2014, 09:46:48 AM »
Joe, read my post again. For a 5' wide deck, cut a 2" wedge off each side. H^^

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Re: angles to cut for Carrier deck
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2014, 10:58:21 AM »
Here is how the Aussies build a deck. No expense spared and built buy a cabinet maker!    Mike

www.http://clamf.aerosports.net.au/   
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Re: angles to cut for Carrier deck
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2014, 11:12:31 AM »
Last year I built a "trial deck"  using the British rules which call for a deck much smaller than those used in the AMA rule book.  While the methods used proved to be workable, last years deck was too narrow.  The European deck by the way is 5 foot by 27 feet and they only use 4 arresting lines with a take off area of slightly over 16 feet.  I suggest one go to Carrier-Deck on the net and see the pictures and rules there as well as a lot of fun other stuff.

Because my flying site (only 300 yards away) often has rough grass and weeds and sometimes is a difficult place to take off from I have decided to build the 'take-off" portion of the English deck for my practice sessions.  the deck itself will be made of 4 pieces of 2inch foam 2"x 4' by 8' cut to 5' by 4 ' .  Right now there is no plan on extending the deck to 27 feet which will give a 4 arresting line portion, although I do have an idea of a separate landing portion of 5 feet by 11.5 feet.  The deck, like the European decks will be set on risers about 12" high.  The left over portions of the foam deck (3x4') will be used to build the landing portion or will be used by me when making foam cores.

Tim, the deck should have a curved surface with a 60 foot line length to the center of the 5 foot width.  So again, I need to  know how to cut the 5' sections to match that curve. By the way, I really think the English rules are much better than the US rules in many respects, and more conducive to promoting the hobby/sport of Carrier flying.
Joe
Cut 1-15/16 wedge from ob to ib both ends of 5' width.
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Re: angles to cut for Carrier deck
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2014, 01:37:13 PM »
Thanks for all the help guys!  Here is the deck I just finished. 5 foot wide, 16 feet long.
Joe

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Re: angles to cut for Carrier deck
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2014, 08:24:59 AM »
Going to have to pay attention that handle is over the center spot when landing.   Looks good though.
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