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Offline Serge_Krauss

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Silkspan Weights with Finish
« on: November 05, 2014, 09:05:07 PM »
I got around to weighing my stripped P-Force wing and found out that it weighs over 8 oz, ready to recover. That seems pretty high for a 500 in2 flapless wing, but I supose some of the weight is from previous dopings and residue (I used Dad's stripper to remove the previous covering). This will make my target weight of 35 or fewer ounces more difficult to make. So now I'm more concerned about covering weight.

I will be using silkspan (understanding that most prefer polyspan) this time. I don't want to use the bad stuff I purchased not so long ago; so I'm looking at some very strong 20-year-old heavy silkspan that Ty sent me, some undyed (white, at least) plyspan (not polyspan), and something that seems like medium and resembles old-time silkspan, but not as good. I found an unused panel of the old silkspan, and it looks awfully good - just as I remmber it. Unfortunately, there's just enough of this to cover 1/4 the surface needed. All of these have a definite grain direction (across the short way, of course).

I'd appreciate hearing of anyone's experiences regarding the finished weights of medium vs. Heavy silkspans. For instance, after applying enough dope to fuel proof these, does anyone have an idea of their relative finishing weights? Does heavy silkspan absorb proportionally more butyrate than medium? I don't have accurate enough devices here to measure this difference. I'd use the heavy stuff from Ty (Thanks, again, Ty!), but now I'm really feeling the weight pinch. I'll mostly clear-coat the wing with some dye-mixture trim.

Thanks for any information you have!

SK

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Re: Silkspan Weights with Finish
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2014, 07:07:09 AM »
Serge,
My experience with silkspan has been that the light grade requires a lot of dope (~8 coats) to fill ready for color, heavy grade requires the most because it absorbs more (~9 ish coats) and medium about 6 coats. On my last ship with a wing area around 450 sq's it added about 1/8 oz per coat of clear Sig dope 50/50 after 1 hr dry time (will lose a little more after full gas off).

You probably know this but just for anyone just starting with dope - resist the temptation to use straight from the can strength dope. Uncut dope takes forever to dry fully and will keep the covering soft for weeks (I did this and it took two weeks to fully dry). You can go down some on the thinner but in my experience not less than 40%. 

One other tip if you use Sig dope - use the Super Coat clear not the Lite Coat until the surface is mostly filled and a little shiny. The Lite coat does not shrink up to get the covering tight (this is for silk also). If as you get the third and forth coats on the covering doesn't shrink tight, give it more dry time and keep going, around the 6th coat it will re-tighten. Once it re tightens you can do the color and trim with the Lite coat.

Best,     DennisT

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Re: Silkspan Weights with Finish
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2014, 07:58:10 AM »
Thanks very much, Dennis!

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Re: Silkspan Weights with Finish
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2014, 10:32:05 PM »
Ty, I'm very sure you sent me this good stuff; it was several years ago. You've always been very generous, and I've appreciated it. I have half the wing covered now, but only after difficulties I'd never experienced before with both silkspan and the butyrate dope that I've been using right along. I may post some pictures and descriptions when I've finished the job. I'm breaking for a couple more days to do the club newsletter now.

I decided to use what I thought was closest thing I had to good medium silkspan. So a lot of new stuff that had annoyed me on the original P-Force build got laid aside. I had bought some Sig plyspan (not polyspan) 11 years ago, because it had been in the hobby shop for some years (they were just catering to RC and plastic coverings). Plyspan came in several colors, and I purchased blue and white. Just after I used the blue, Ted posted about difficulties with his plyspan splitting and fading. Mine didn't split, but it did fade. So I thought that perhaps the dye was acidic, and this time I used my white (undyed?) stuff, which looked a lot like the old silkspan. I had much trouble getting it to stick; the next morning, I found that the plyspan had come loose in three places. It took a long time and a big mess to fix that seemingly simple thing. I've never had a wrinkle in a silkspanned wing in my life before this, but I had to remove some. it's fixed now.

SO... I'm going to experiment by using the same dope to attach the heavy grade, old (real) silkspan on the left side and see whether I have the same difficulties. The heavier stuff is quite difficult to tear, even across the grain; so I'm confident at least in it. I'll check weights and numbers of coats needed too. At least I ought to learn something from this.

I do have newer medium silkspan that I dislike. Is your medium material anything like the old silkspan? One picture of where I finally am now. Thanks again.

SK



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