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Offline Rob Killick

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Water transfer decals ?
« on: December 15, 2007, 11:17:12 PM »
Hi ,

I used to make water transfer decals for plastic scale models with a special ink jet friendly decal paper .
Now I really don't like the "peel and stick" type of decal , as I think they are too thick .
I'm afraid of the dope attacking the ink , from the ink jet printer and was wondering if anyone knows of a solution on how to make water transfers for stunt ships ? I know the professional decal printers use a silk screen method to produce them ...

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Re: Water transfer decals ?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2007, 01:24:53 AM »
Hi Rob,

I buy decal paper from somewhere like MicroMark. I print them out with an inkjet printer then shoot something like Krylon Acrylic clear (that you get from the craft store) on them. A light coat (very light) for the first coat then 2 or 3 more medium coats after the first dries. Works pretty well. I'm doing one for a plane right now. Just printed it off and will shoot some acrylic clear on tomorrow.

When you print them, you have to experiment a bit with the print type. I have an HP 5550 inkjet printer and use the settings for photo paper. Works pretty well.
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Re: Water transfer decals ?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2007, 06:35:19 AM »
i use same paper as Randy , but i print  mine on plane paper and then i go to Kinko's and use there lazier color printer . Seem to  hold the color better.   I do whole sheets of AMA # in differant colors for future use.   I use Krylon to seal them it comes in 3 differant clears. flat. or gloss .Good  rainy day job.  Geoffrey out
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Re: Water transfer decals ?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2007, 10:37:45 AM »
I used Testors inkjet decal paper and the home printer, then shot the sheet with a thin layer of Sig Lite-Coat through the airbrush.  I waited till the first coat had set a bit and followed up with a heavier coat.  Once the decals were on the plane I put several coats of Lite Coat over everything to seal the edges and make everything fuel proof.  I got the idea from Jim Kraft, he used the same decal paper and treated them with dope, however he used a brush.  I'm not very good with a brush and had this airbrush that I never use. 

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Re: Water transfer decals ?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2007, 10:48:47 AM »
Hi ,

Thanks for the help .
Now my question is as follows ...

Do you use the Krylon while the decal is still on the sheet , or after it is applied to the model ?
The paper I use(d) was from Bare Metal Foil , called Expert's Choice .
You sand the paper with 1500 grit paper and then rub it down with talcum powder (for better ink adhesion) , shake excess powder off and print with ink jet printer . After the ink dries I brush on some MicroScale Liquid Decal Film to fix andprotect the image , before transferring decal to the model .
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Re: Water transfer decals ?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2007, 11:05:37 AM »
The Testors paper is just what the local Hobby Lobby stocks, they're 5.5x8.5" sheets and not exactly cheap.  The nearly full time 40% off coupon from the Hobby Lobby website helps a bit.  I skipped the Krylon cause honestly the rest of my finish is dope, and I wanted to apply more dope after the model was done.  The paper came out of the package, fed through the printer, and was shot with clear dope about 10-15 minutes later, however long it took to setup the airbrush.  After that it was like a normal decal sheet with any plastic model, cut out, soak in water, apply to model.  I let the decals sit overnight to dry and then followed up with a few coats of clear to lock them in.  There's probably nothing wrong with Krylon, but if dope works, why buy another product to do the same job?  I also skipped all the special chemicals they sell to seal the decals and so on. 

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Re: Water transfer decals ?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2007, 12:13:51 PM »
I 1000% suggest spraying clear dope, lightly onto the decals.  A few light coats is all that is needed.  Too heavy, though, and they will run.
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Re: Water transfer decals ?
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2007, 09:04:37 PM »
Thanks Men  ;D

My main concern was the underlying ink bleeding , or running .

Thanks again for the great help . y1
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Re: Water transfer decals ?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2007, 05:53:34 AM »
I've used the MICROMARK paper, inkjet printer, and LUSTERKOTE clear.  No problems with any of it.
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Re: Water transfer decals ?
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2007, 12:18:42 PM »
I've shoot dope, catalyzed polyurethane and lusterkote over the decals finished with Krylon Acrylic Clearcoat without reaction. Seems to work fine.
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Re: Water transfer decals ?
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2007, 12:16:20 PM »
The ink jet ink is not affected by dope at all. I don't use anything but clear Sig dope brushed on my decals after the ink has had a chance to dry well. When I apply them to the model I brush on more clear dope to seal them and then wet sand with 1200 grit wet or dry paper. Even heavy coats of dope will not run the ink.
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Re: Water transfer decals ?
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2007, 01:15:38 PM »
Weirdly, i've recently had problems with the decals blurring after they are applied. I printed some up recently, let them sit for a day, then shot clear on them (4 coats a couple hours apart - what I usually do).  They sat another couple of days then I cut them out and applied them. Looked great initially. Then a day later I looked at them and the ink had sort of blurred blurred along the edges and the color had run together a little. I waited another day and it was worse. So I peeled them off and tried again. Same thing. Not sure if this is a temperature or humidity thing or something else.
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Re: Water transfer decals ?
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2007, 07:50:04 AM »
Randy  i had the same problem switched  to differant clear coats same  problem . some even looked as though the were becoming transparent. that is when i switch to kinkoe's laser printer.no problems since... Geoffrey back to the shop.
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Re: Water transfer decals ?
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2008, 11:44:24 AM »
Andrew; Your P-51 looks really really good. Brings back memories of the one I had many years ago, except yours is way cooler than mine.

Geoffrey and Randy; I would guess the trouble you are having is the paper you are using. Try some Testors decal paper if you can find some. Andrew and I get ours at Hobby Lobby. It comes in both clear and white background.
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Re: Water transfer decals ?
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2008, 05:37:41 PM »
Thanks Jim, it looks better in pictures then in person but I'm happy with it considering most of it is Sterling kit.  I had it out at the field in early December and the Fox 25 would only run wide open on the ground and wouldn't stay running in the air.  After getting it home it didn't take long before I looked in the venturi and the spraybar was 90* off.  I corrected it and ran it on the bench where it responded perfectly to the needle valve.  It should work ok in the air as soon as the weather warms up a bit.

I just doublechecked the decals after the plane has been sitting in the garage for a month, and they look just how they were the day I applied them.


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