Roger,
        I use deep sea wire fishing trace rated at 100lbs which seems ample to me. Others I know use anything from 018 control line to bicycle brake cable (500lbs+)!! which I think is bit of over the top..
Phil

E-Z Just handles will not tke 200 pound pull.  They wouldn't even hold up in fast rat in the later years.  Ask the guys that are trying to control a rat with just the cable left after the plastic shattered.  Get a hold of Melvin at MBS Model Supply and he will fix you up with the proper cable for handles. 

      Guy's I have another question about the cable, what are y'all using to terminate the end's of the cable? In other word's how are y'all finishing the end's?

Hi, Dan.  Welcome back.

Another hint I got from Alan Brickhaus'  Flying Models column.   Get Zip Loc bags for each of your handle/line combo's.  Magic Marker to mark the bag as to what plane they are for.  Sure makes life simple.   

JIM OLIVER

So how do you adjust for line length differences between the up & down line with a hard point handle ?  It's been a long time but I don't remember being able to make up a set of lines exactly even length for both lines.  My Hot Rock handle would adjust to compensate for the difference in line length and maybe lead out length difference.

Hi Bill

So is the EZ-Just handle still sold anywhere ?  Can't seem to locate my old handles, so I will have to purchase something new.  And yes I remember Howard well from my "combat days". He was one of the first guys to go with longer tail booms from what had been the norm. They made a major improvement on the fast combat airplanes of the day, and within a couple of years ALL fast combat airplanes had them. Howard knows how to improve flight characteristics of an airframe more than most guys.  Wonder what he's brought to the Stunt arena ?

Back to handles.  Where can I buy a Hot Rock handle ?

If you really want Hot Rock handles got to the E-Bay.  But I suggest you check out some of the newer handles.  There are some combat sites that have them.  I don't think you want me flying combat with a Big-D Handle or eve a Brodak handle.   

Really stiff flaps,,, S?P

....and epic poetry for the ages, among other things.

Hi Dan,
For initial flights on a new plane, when I want to get the handle adjustment in the ballpark without a lot of air time using a marginally adjusted handle, I use an in-flight adjustable combat handle from George Cleveland at GRS Models (google "GRS Models").

Go to "Click here to see Planes, Motors and Stuff" and scroll down to the bottom of the page.  The orange handle with the knob on the bottom (I use the knob on the top for easier in-flight adjustment) is the one.  Once I get the adjustment where I like it, I measure the handle-to-eyelet distance for each line and transfer the difference, if any, to a hard point handle using different size clips.  This gets me close enough to fly tricks confidently with only minor adjustments or none at all.  A Fancher handle also has brackets that adjust in out, but having this adjustment too asymmetrical does bad stuff.  I haven't ordered anything from Cleveland in a while, so I assume he's still in biz since his website is active.

Kaz Minato in Japan sells a hard point handle favored by some (google "Kaz Minato's World").  As we know, the Japanese have a yen for quality.

Of course, adjustment is made easier by making your leadout lengths and line lengths as close to equal as possible.  I have a flying buddy who can sit there at the field and hand-tie a new set of line ends without a jig so that both lines come out exactly the same length each time.  So aggravating.   

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted on your adventures with the Magician.  Good choice for first plane back. 

   

Dennis

Yea, that could be what I'm looking for.  Is it adjustable like the Hot Rock ?  There used to be guys with your last name that used to show up in Cleveland for contests, many years ago. 

Denny

OK then.  That's the handle I want. I'll get one of each size.  I'm sure I'll feel right at home with them.  Thank you for your help.     Thanks for the "welcome back".

Dan Bregar

Bill,
Take it easy on Denny. He is not really a bad guy.

Although he has recently been heard to say that engines should now be fueled by electrons!  He is even calling engines motors! Poor kid must have been hit by lightning!

Merry Christmas!

Hi Bill

Yes I got my handles set up for now.  Did not know that Denny won the Walker Cup. Just knew his C/L pettigree/heritage and family was well respected by us Cleveland C/L flyers. I never flew stunt as my interest in those days was in other events, but these days I think I'm going to give it a try.  Merry Christmas