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Offline Randy Powell

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A weird sort of finish question
« on: July 19, 2006, 04:34:28 PM »
Not sure if anyone can tell me, but here it is: What would the average weight be for a 620 squre inch plane in silkspan and filler coat awaiting paint. I'm trying to decide if this plane I'm working on is average or light. Trying to acertain the average weight of the silkspan, dope and filler. Since starting, I've picked up about 2.13oz overall in silkspan, dope and filler. The plane is about ready for paint. Is that good, bad or average?
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Re: A weird sort of finish question
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2006, 06:18:01 PM »
medium silkspan weighs about 2 gr/sq.ft.  Your plane has about 10 sq. ft. of surface, or 20 gr.  2.13 oz = 60.3 gr.  A solid fill coat of dope on silkspan(to where it starts to shine) should be about 3 gr/sqft, or 30 grams.  figure about an equal amount for filler, another 30 grams for a total of 80 grams.  You only have 60, so you are doing pretty well.

The weight depends mainly on how much dope and filler you leave on, once the surface is sealed.  You can only really sand about 1/3 of the plane.  Sanding silkspan over open bays and removing most of the filler or a coat of dope is very difficult.

Once you've got the base sealed each solid coat of finish(1 mil or .001 in., completely wetting the plane, 2-3 thin coats of dope, one coat of water-based urethane varnish, one VERY thin coat of autobody clear) adds about 3 gr./sq.ft   or about 30 gr. in your case.
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Re: A weird sort of finish question
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2006, 09:56:40 AM »
Thanks Phil.  I'm used to working on bigger planes and after putting on filler, sanding the heck out of it without, for once, sanding through then shooting on a wet coat of clear, I weighed it and as noted, picked up 2.13oz. Seemed pretty good, but wanted to check. After having the last plane pick up so much weight in the finish, I'm a bit paranoid.
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Re: A weird sort of finish question
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2006, 03:12:11 PM »
Ty,

Depending on how carried away I get with paint, it will fall somewhere between 48-52oz. Also if I use the wheel pants or just hack out a gear with skirts, that will save some weight. 626 square inches. Should be OK.
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Re: A weird sort of finish question
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2006, 10:44:17 PM »
From graphs I have seen, 62 oz would be the max, depending on the engines ability.  Anything over 10 oz per square foot is a high wing loading.  Tom Morris puts out a graph showing weight/wing area = wing loading chart.  Very helpful. 

   Is that what Tom's graph says?  10 oz/square foot is *exceptionally low* wing loading for a full-sized stunt plane. My new airplane is ~13.3 oz/square foot (4.58 square feet, 61 oz), and there is *no* possibility of getting it down to 10 (46 oz) without leaving out half the structure - literally. There have been real stunt planes that were build that lightly but they are very few and far between.


   Even back in the good old days before infinite power, 12 oz/square foot was considered pretty good. Now, with a good engine, I wouldn't even think about it unless it got into the range of 14.5-15 oz/square foot.

Approximate wing loadings of recent NATs winners:
1990-94 - 13.2 oz./square foot
95 - >15  (sworn to secrecy)
96 - 14.4
97 - 14.1
98 - 13.2
99 - 14.1
00 - 13.2
01 - 14.1
02 - ~14.5
03 - 12.72
04 - 12.72
05 - 13.2
06 - 13.3

Even Billy's WC winner was in the 11 range.

Trying to shoot for 10 oz square foot is unecessary, and certainly for most of us, will be quite detrimental since you have very little structure left once you put in all the required hardware.

    Brett

p.s.OK, I got it, I think you actually MEANT to say 10 square inches/ounce which is 14.4 oz/ square foot. bb

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Re: A weird sort of finish question
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2006, 09:42:42 AM »
Good information Brett. I'm shooting for 50oz/626 square inches. Shouldn't be hard to get there. I have an 11oz finish budget to hit that
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