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A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« on: September 26, 2011, 04:14:22 PM »
Well, after all these years, I gotta do it.  A few years after I sold my full scale Pawnee in 1979, I built a semi-scale stunter of it and really liked it.  Trouble is, the garage sale OS I put in it quit in a very inopportune place and I destroyed it.  (Is there an opportune place, you ask.  Dunno of one.)
I now have a new Evolution 60 that is in desperate need of a ride, and there happened to be a large, straight (Spell that "no taper") wing hanging on the wall from who-knows-when.  Okay, here we go, Pawnee time!
Here's a picture of the fuse as it is currently, I've been having a lot of fun doing the greenhouse cockpit.  The rub here is that I had to go online to re-establish the way the bloody greenhouse was actually shaped in the rear!  Wow, time sure does things to old minds!
I'll post a picture of the interior in the next post since I've never bothered to learn how to get more than one pic in a post.
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2011, 04:15:32 PM »
And the cockpit.
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2011, 08:48:03 AM »
Looking good. H^^
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2011, 03:51:20 PM »
That's gonna be sweet Brother Will!

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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2011, 10:57:08 AM »
You've been looking at too many Al Rabe videos.   ;D
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2011, 01:13:06 PM »
Keep it going!  I'm a fanatic for semi-scale stunters.

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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2011, 06:58:26 PM »
Quote from Randy, "You've been looking at too many Al Rabe videos."   ;D

Maybe that's why it's such a slooooooww build?
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2011, 10:23:11 PM »
 Neat stuff Will! y1
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2011, 08:44:30 PM »
 Will:
 This is so cool. Do you get extra pattern points for actually spraying? y1  Now that would be really cool!!!  ;D

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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2011, 10:11:43 PM »
Pretty cool Will.  I'd fit the pilot with a respirator though!  :)
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2011, 02:43:21 PM »
Crist, the cockpit area was actually positively pressured for the reason you're thinking about - nasty spray chemicals.
I still always wore a pesticide mask unless foliar feeding.  Then I flew with the doors open.  Really was cool, almost like an open cockpit plane!! ;D
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2011, 04:37:05 PM »
They are neat to watch as they do their work.  :)
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2011, 01:46:47 PM »
Quote from Crist,  "They are neat to watch as they do their work.   ;D"

I agree, especially from the INSIDE! ;D y1 #^
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2011, 04:05:36 PM »
Pretty cool Will.  I'd fit the pilot with a respirator though!  :)

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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2011, 03:26:46 PM »
All right, Crist and Bill, here's yer dadblamed respirator mask!  I had a few minutes while some epoxy on a fretboard inlay cured so I whipped this up.  Didn't take too long on it and it shows.  May restrict his vision just a little, but at least he can breath okay. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2011, 05:19:34 PM »
Crist, the cockpit area was actually positively pressured for the reason you're thinking about - nasty spray chemicals.
I still always wore a pesticide mask unless foliar feeding.  Then I flew with the doors open.  Really was cool, almost like an open cockpit plane!! ;D

I never wore a mask. Never smelled it unless I flew back through it, rarely though. I would get a big surprize sometimes when I would get out to open the hopper to help with a rinse. My God some of those herbicides stink!! Or get out to go to the bathroom and walk by the mix tank.

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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2011, 06:30:30 AM »
The "pressurization" on my Pawnee lacked effectiveness, so I wore the mask.  The convincing thing for me was when I flew over the airport and saw the shape of the Pawnee drawn in dead grass at my tie-down spot!!  You're right some of that stuff is awful.
I also did a really dumb thing one day after finishing a field and starting home.  I could smell the nasty stuff even through the mask so decided to open the doors!  How stupid can ya get?  That poor door tried to punch its way through the side of the fuse' when it slammed down!  Bent the top door frame where it hit the stop and I had a heck of a time getting it straight again.  Never tried that again. HB~> HB~> R%%%%
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2011, 07:34:32 AM »
I could start a whole thread on the learning curve during the first few hundred hours. From the ground it looks so graceful, but sometimes there are things going on out there that are a real challenge. The wide open field with no obstructions on a real calm morning or evening are one in hundred.

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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2011, 08:51:54 AM »
You are sooo right.  (And even those can have a deer sleeping in the middle!)
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2011, 09:38:27 AM »
Pawnees bring up bad memories for me.  My brother was killed in one in 1973.  He was spraying methyl parathion when a wing caught a pecan tree limb.  He went in inverted, the tank ruptured covering him in the cotton poison, and the plane caught on fire.  The man flagging for him made a heroic effort to get him out, but was unable, after burning his hands.  No one knows what happened, but most feel that Mike somehow caught a good whiff of the insecticide, which acts like nerve gas, and lost his ability to function.  A bad day in Wharton County, Texas.

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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2011, 02:37:54 PM »
I'm sorry to learn of this, Glen.  The thought jumped into my mind of the aerobatic pilot who was killed during a show and they determined he had been bitten by a black widow spider and lost vision capabilities.  I fail to remember who it was.
Whatever the pesticide, even fungicide, it's nothing to take for granted.  There are dozens of ways they can turn on a pilot.  I was blessed to only have one incident during my rather short career, and that one was my oversight and rather minor.
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2011, 03:24:36 PM »
Ag flying is definitetly not for everybody. It takes a certain personality type. I think the aerobatic/airshow pilot you are talking about was Bevo Howard, a real legend in his time, even today.

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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2011, 06:02:12 PM »
Thanks Wade, I think you're right.  The closer I get to being a platinum blond, the farther away my memory gets!  I agree with you on the pilot type for ag, but there's just something special about making that final pass and seeing the hopper be empty just as you start the pull up.
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2011, 08:01:41 AM »
Good looking project Will!  That greenhouse is all CHARACTER.
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2012, 10:55:52 AM »
Will, I have to agree the view from the inside of a Pawnee is the best! What a great flying airplane!! I never sprayed, but towed many a banner with them. Even with the hopper cut and re-glassed into an aux. fuel tank, the thing still smelled like pesticide! I can only imagine what they were like with a hopper load of parathion. What a great subject for a model, if not only to bring back memories.

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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2012, 12:21:30 PM »
The thing I remember most on the Pawnee is the first flight I made when I bought the rascal.  It was late March and snowy and I wanted get home quickly.  Decided on a right turn out to hasten things, and...not being used to the plane, laid it over post-haste.  When I cranked in a lot of aileron, we stood on our wingtip!  Wow, hadn't really contemplated the fact that the 36' wing had 18' of ailerons!!!  I just wish the rudder had been that effective - crosswind landings could really wear you out.
Thing is, it was just a really fun airplane for what it was designed to do.  I actually took it up for pleasure rides occasionally when I needed to just chill out.  Doors open, lazy day, lots of nice stuff.
I was getting ready to set it up for glider towing during the off times when I lost the medical, always wished I could have done at least a few of those tows.  (Can't imagine modifying the pesticide tank for fuel!  neat idea.)
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2012, 03:43:47 PM »
You guys got any 188 time? BIG difference from a Pawnee.

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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2012, 03:53:58 PM »
Wish I coulda had, but my medical didn't last long enough!  All the guys around here traded their Pawnees in the last spring I flew because it was so wet and the demand for dry application gave them opportunity to upgrade - you all know how nearly useless the Pawnee is for dry application.  Make a round, then land and reload!
I wasn't well enough established yet to do that, and the guy I bought the Pawnee from pushed all his wet stuff my way, so I still made out okay. But, that meant I kept the Pawnee.  Oh well... HB~> HB~>
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2012, 04:10:02 PM »
I helped a young man load his on a trailer out of a milo field. He was over loaded, and it was hot. He thought he was alright after he hit the first terrace, but then it started sinking again. When he hit the second terrace, it was just to much and down he came. Wiped out the landing gear and the prop, otherwise it seemed to be in pretty good shape. We took the wings off to get it on the trailer for the ride to the shop.

When I worked for a Motorola service shop back in the 70's, I use to do a lot of radio work for spray pilots. Most were old WWII fighter pilots, and they all walked with a limp. I had a lot of fun installing radios in Stearmans, AgCats, and Pawnees. All of those guys wanted their push to talk button on the stick, and transmit audio fed back into there head phones like they had in their fighters so they could hear themselves talk.

Where were we? Oh Yeah; Great looking Pawnee Will. Every time I watch one spraying I think it would make a great model.
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2012, 06:18:15 PM »
Thanks, Jim, if I can ever get this current customer's guitar done I'll get back on it!
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2012, 12:03:43 PM »
On the subject of the tank, the fellow who owned the plane was a bit of a mad scientist. He cut the bottom 2/3's off the hopper and re-glassed the bottom and made a nifty fuel tank. Installed a Facet pump for transfer that pumped sloooowwwwlllyyy! Had to stay on top of it, but it worked well for what we were doing. We always had 4 hooks rigged, so we could pull 4 banners without landing. Usually needed a bit more fuel than the Pawnee's standard tank would hold to get 4 full signs flown. That particular Pawnee had a Hutch wing and was a great plane for picking up banners, but the lighter wing loading made it a rough ride down the beach! The rag wing was not as nimble on the pickup, but rode much better while towing. I liked both. Our MO was to fly with no doors, on both the Pawnee's and Bellanca Scout. Summer in South Alabama gets fairly hot, but I still looked like a tanned piece of leather at the end of the season with the sun and wind burn!!! The Pawnee was just such a great plane! Honest flier and predictable. First flight was interesting. Geting used to the angle of the nose was the only thing of note. Made wheel landings a little hairy at first!! Good luck with the model and please post pics as progress is made.
PS, Wade, never got to fly a 188, but always wanted to! One of my favorite ag planes of all time! Loved that long 2-blade prop howl! Planning on modifying a Twister into a stunt 188!

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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2012, 02:32:52 PM »
well, at last the hold up to my Pawnee build is ready for delivery so I can get on with the stunter.
here's a picture or two of the hold up project.
The top is a master grade sitka spruce and the back and sides are koa.  Ended up with a great deep, rich tone and plenty of projection.  I'm pleased and think my customer will be happy with it.  (More pictures in the next post.)
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2012, 02:34:33 PM »
Here's the back of the beast, and that koa shows up really well against the walnut and maple striping.
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2012, 02:37:25 PM »
And finally, lest I bore you, the fret board with the mother of pearl inlay done.  Somewhere between 30 to 35 hours is looking back you here, but I absolutely am addicted to this kind of work.  I love it.
Now, on to the Pawnee!!
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2012, 03:10:10 PM »
Will,

Nice work, kudos!!

Hey! What are the vitals on your great Pawnee. It's coming along nice.

You have plans right?

Got a dummy radial? Will you build one?

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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2012, 04:11:02 PM »
Thanks, but no radial for the Pawnee, it has a 235 or 260 Lycoming for power.  Mine was a 235.  The model is a 60 size, and I don't usually build from plans for scratch built, I just take a pile of contest grade Ecuadorian gold and start whackin' away!  I'm heading out right now, so will include the measurements later, gotta do grandsons tonight for baseball practice.  (Just as much fun as flying stunt.) y1 y1
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2012, 11:01:36 AM »
Is that an AG-1 in the background?

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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2012, 03:22:22 PM »
Thought I would be back sooner than this, then four instrument repairs came all at once!  Sheesh, people, slack off, I have an airplane to build!

Okay, I'm trying something different on the flaps for this ship.  I'm using the Robart hinges, so just pinned the flap LE to the wing TE and drilled the holes for the hinges on the center line.  Then using the center line of the flap LE,  I glued a 6 to 8 lb balsa sheet to it at a 90 degree angle to give the shape.  I then cut slots for the hinges in the sheet, there's plenty of grab with the LE I'm using so I'm not concerned about the fit with the sheet.  I'll care for that later.
Then I put ribs evenly spaced on the sheet, and using my saw, cut them down to the taper.  This gave me the ribs for the other side.
Once I have the ribs in place and sanded properly, I'll put lightening holes in the sheets and see what the weight ends up being.  (I plan to make the flaps LE rounded off like the full scale Pawnee on this one.)
Let me know your thoughts on this type of construction?  It seems much easier to get them straight, stiff and true this way if the weight comes out okay.
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2012, 03:33:14 PM »
That looks like it's shaping up to be a nice one.
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2012, 02:06:20 PM »
Ty, does it really help if I can make it hot air?  (I have a stock of that here.  Now to figure out how to affix it to the flaps.) LL~ LL~ LL~
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2012, 09:54:28 PM »
Is that an AG-1 in the background?

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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2012, 08:08:51 PM »
While digging through some old pics for my wife I ran across these of the first semi-scale Pawnee.  It had garage sale OS40 in it and the thing was worn out, really lacked power.
I flew this thing at the first contest I attended after my 18 year hiatus.  That was in Cleveland.  Nervous as a new bride!  It had two flights on it before going to the contest and was anything but ready!  My son-in-law remarked as to the great applause I received for the several good saves during the ?pattern?
I took it home and started flying more, was just getting it worked out and contemplating a new engine when the 40 must have sensed it and quit after the third corner of the inside squares.  I wasn't fast enough. :-[  Earth one, Will nothing.
I plan on the same paint and trim for the new one.  This one died a violent death in 1989, we'll see how the newbie does.
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2012, 07:10:24 AM »
Will,

Progress is slow but looking really good!

Told you I had interest in this model, so don't through any of the fuselage drawings away, I'll need them.  ;D

My interest is in the bi-plane.

Charles
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #43 on: April 21, 2012, 07:54:46 AM »
Drawings?  I don't use no steenkin drawings!  Seldom do.  Just grab a pile of balsa and start cutting.  As to "the biplane", what biplane are you meaning?  Piper never made a bipe, and the ag biplanes were all much larger than my little Pawnee.  I took a max of 150 gallons while those beasts showed off with several hundred.
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2012, 12:22:10 PM »
I'll build this next year. With drawings. Just in case someone wants to build one.
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2012, 12:36:33 PM »
Charles,, that is not a pawnee,, that is a grumman Ag Cat,, completely different airplane,, so his drawings ( assuming there were any)  would not help you at all,,,
somewhere out there I recall a Ag Cat model,, no idea where I saw it thought

Now when I do one, it will be a AT-402 with the intake conversion I helped design, it was dead sexy IMHO
Heck they even offered to take me for a ride in it once it was done,, but I figured that the visibility from inside the chem hopper was probably not all that great so I declined LOL
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2012, 12:50:50 PM »
You're right, Mark, and the seat belt may have been a little loose!  I  think the Ag Cat you may be referring to was from Jean Pailet.  It was featured in the June 1972 issue of the American Aircraft Modeler on page 38.  I happen to have saved that issue because Jack Sheeks and I also had biplanes in the article by Al Rabe.
There's only one small picture of Jean's ship, from the left side rear, but it looks super nice.  (It was a profile.)  The Ag-Cat is a work horse, we still have a couple around here in northwest Ohio, but the  the Thrush is taking over, especially the turbo powered.
Up in the west side of the Michigan thumb the Cessnas are king, still much smaller than the 'Cat.  I had my ag training in a Super Cub!
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2012, 01:07:02 PM »
Mark,

Yes, correct, it's a Grumman, forgot about that.

I would have taken the ride.

I know that AT 402. That's a great looking aircraft. With it's extended nose and a tad of changes, could probably be a nice stunt contender.

Probably even keep the scale outlines. Possibly a small increase in stab/elevator span, but basically the same outlines.

I'll look for a 3-view.

Charles
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2012, 03:53:15 PM »
as part of my benefits from working on them, and designing the conversion, I have a complete set of factory drawings and parts catologs ,, so I have all the documentation I need for whatever I want to do,, up to and including a full scale version. We purchased wrecked airframes from the insurance componaies and completely rebuilt them. we were one of the only factory authorized repair stations . I had the pleasure of meeting Leland Snow in Reno at the ag convention when we unveiled our conversion. I was very honered to have him spend a fair amount of time walking around our desing and asking me questions,,
http://cascadeaircraftconversions.com/products.html
there is a link for ya,,
the biggest handicap in making this a competative stunter is the hershey bar wing,, no taper,, and it concerns me that it will have some built in compromise,, but still, worth the effort at some point. Since I have leterally touched every part of the airplane before, I have a good insight into making a very scale stunter,,
and the color of yellow on the original is far more vivid than the ag cat pale yellow,,
Incidently, for those that dont know,, Leland Snow designed the " Snow S-1 " one of the first purpose built appplicators. then as a progression of that he designed what later became the Thrush,, which was bought by Rockwell and Leland had to sign a no competition clause for I think it was 7 years.. During that time he thought, and deisginged the Air Tractor which if one looks at the thrush and the AT side by side you can see the lineage. Sadly, Leland passed away last year IIRC, His designs are very direct, simple and easy to work on,, well except for trying to fit the stainless gate box assembly under the hopper,, that is a royal pain,,
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Re: A slooooooww build of a semi-scale Pawnee
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2012, 07:27:07 PM »
Mark, an ag operator just a few miles away flew his early model Snow all the way to retirement, which was just two or so years ago.  His name was George Wysall and he and his Snow worked with Purdue U. on spray patterns way back when.  That old bird has some serious hours on it and required very little work through the years.
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