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Offline Larry Renger

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Cub and other engine hop-up
« on: March 09, 2007, 05:46:19 PM »
The essence of hopping up an engine is to make sure it is fitted correctly, improve the balance and  improve the airflow through the various passages.  I never mess with the timing!

I start with total disassembly of the engine and a review of how it fits.  With the crankshaft and case completely dry, the crank should spin over a couple of times when you snap it with your fingers.  If not, I polish the crank down to fit.  I DO NOT lap it to the case.  1/2A engines don't have bushings, and it is really difficult to get abrasives back out of the aluminum.  I chuck the crank into a drill press on low speed, and wrap 600 grit paper soaked in oil around it.  When it fits the case well, I do it one more time with 2000 grit.

The piston and cylinder would, in the ideal world, fit tightly.  This allows you to add a bit of taper to the top of the piston and bottom of the case (not required for Tee Dees, Norvels, and the like).  600 grit paper held in your fingers will do an adequate job!  You just want a hint of taper, the Tee Dees used about .0002" at the top.

The Cub crankshaft needs balancing.  I grind a flat from the side of the crankpin to the middle of the crankweb outer diameter on each side.  The top is sort of triangular, the bottom retains its half circle.  Then I drill a 3/64" diameter hole down the center of the crankpin just to above the web surface. 

Generally, I have found the entry to the crankshaft port is very rough and even has a nasty ledge sticking out into the airstream.  Clean that up with a Dremel and diamond point grinder.  A little bevel at the outlet won't hurt either.

The bypass holes are often blocked by metal "flash".  I not only clean that out, but bevel the inlet a bit too.

The stock needle valve is awful, it is blunt ended with almost no taper, it is more like an on/off switch (or off/off ?)  I like to substitute the needle assembly from the C*x RTF engines.  You can glue it in with JB weld, and be a happy camper.

Clean and reassemble the engine.  I like TriFlo oil as it has teflon in it.  Can't hurt!

Since they come with pretty low compression, Cubs like hot plugs and lots of nitro.   H^^
Think S.M.A.L.L. y'all and, it's all good, CL, FF and RC!

DesignMan
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Re: Cub and other engine hop-up
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2007, 07:57:58 PM »
Hi Larry,

Thanks for those tips!  I have an .099, would it be pretty much the same internally??  (haven't had a cub 049 in YEARS!)

Also, what *type* of oil is "Triflo"?  Auto. engine oil or other??  Just not familiar with it.

One last ? sorta....... I didn't know that the NVA "Assembly" was available separately for the C*x product engine. (??)

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Offline LARRY RICE

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Re: Cub and other engine hop-up
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2007, 10:27:53 AM »
 H^^ Thanks, Larry, for getting me off of the hook.
Larry

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Re: Cub and other engine hop-up
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2007, 12:50:54 PM »
TriFlo is an oil that is available at gun and fishing stores.  It is a great preservative and contains micro flaked teflon.  The teflon gets forced into metal wherever it actually touches and helps prevent galling.
Think S.M.A.L.L. y'all and, it's all good, CL, FF and RC!

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Re: Cub and other engine hop-up
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2007, 02:54:50 PM »
TriFlo is an oil that is available at gun and fishing stores.  It is a great preservative and contains micro flaked teflon.  The teflon gets forced into metal wherever it actually touches and helps prevent galling.

Thanks, Larry!
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Offline dennis lipsett

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Re: Cub and other engine hop-up
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2007, 09:39:44 AM »
I've done Larry's tune up a few times and have always wanted to do one more thing but somehow never got to it. We all know that no 049 motor ever made that used a head that uses a convertional plug is ever going to deliver the power that it should. I've always wondered what the motor would do if fitted with a glow head.
I've never followed through on it.  and now I don't have access to the equipment to turn out a head or 2 to try out.
Has anyone ever done this, I'd be curious to know the results.
Dennis

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Re: Cub and other engine hop-up
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2007, 10:11:16 AM »
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Posted on: March 18, 2007, 09:39:44 AMPosted by: dennis lipsett 
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I've done Larry's tune up a few times and have always wanted to do one more thing but somehow never got to it. We all know that no 049 motor ever made that used a head that uses a convertional plug is ever going to deliver the power that it should. I've always wondered what the motor would do if fitted with a glow head.
I've never followed through on it.  and now I don't have access to the equipment to turn out a head or 2 to try out.
Has anyone ever done this, I'd be curious to know the results.
Dennis
 
Yes it has been done! By OK! You can buy glow heads from OK Engines. The produced the engine with a glow head for years along side the plug type engines.
Larry

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Re: Cub and other engine hop-up
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2007, 03:58:29 PM »
Larry,
 Interesting info. I knew that they made a motor with a glow plug but always thought that it came out at about the end of the Cubs run. Knowing  the Cub 024 with it's glow head it was very low on compression and was really an anemic motor.I would have to presume that the 049 head was also low compression. Really the Cub can benefit from a little more squeeze, Ah well they are cheap enough that i'll have to work one to death.
Dennis

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Re: Cub and other engine hop-up
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2007, 11:47:35 AM »
They aren't "low compression", they are tuned for "high Nitro"   ;D
Think S.M.A.L.L. y'all and, it's all good, CL, FF and RC!

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Re: Cub and other engine hop-up
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2007, 01:40:15 PM »
They aren't "low compression", they are tuned for "high Nitro"   ;D

Larry, a nice play on words, Obviously you wouldn't be putting 35% or better nitro in an 11:1 C/R motor.
Dennis

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Re: Cub and other engine hop-up
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2007, 07:51:51 PM »
I haven't replied to this thread from the beginning and I feel partly responsible for its existance.
Basically I have had nothing to add, just been soaking all this good stuff in!

This read however has really opened my eyes. Thanks everyone! I do hope there is more to come!

Robert
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