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1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« on: December 11, 2006, 11:06:19 PM »
Well fellas,

I got the 1/2A Snapper kit from Ray (minnesotamodeler) today.  Everything is really first class, very nice wood, and some assembly is already done! 

I will post pictures when I can actually start construction.

Great job, Ray!
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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2006, 01:11:59 AM »
Thanks Bill.  Looking forward to the pictures.

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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2006, 04:07:12 AM »
Have fun with the Snpper Bill.......it goes together very well. What engine are you going to put in it?
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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2006, 09:13:07 AM »
Have fun with the Snpper Bill.......it goes together very well. What engine are you going to put in it?

I don't have a Babe Bee (at least I can't find it, I HAD one!) so I'll have to use one of the other Cox engines I have: (2) Black Widows (a "new version" and an old metal back plate one) or an all silver Cox that has the big tank with two vents.

I also have a couple of good running McCoy/Testors .049s.

What 'cha think?????

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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2006, 03:52:07 PM »
Bill: See my post in "Cox engines".

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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2006, 06:22:24 PM »
I don't have a Babe Bee (at least I can't find it, I HAD one!) so I'll have to use one of the other Cox engines I have: (2) Black Widows (a "new version" and an old metal back plate one) or an all silver Cox that has the big tank with two vents.

I also have a couple of good running McCoy/Testors .049s.

What 'cha think?????

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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2006, 09:40:17 PM »
My experience was that the Testors 049's would outpower a Black Widow.  Hope you have some glow heads, because I sure don't know where you would get another.  I've been trying to find a Cub 024 head without any luck.  These obsolete critters are that way for a reason, I guess.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2006, 01:56:59 PM »
My experience was that the Testors 049's would outpower a Black Widow.  Hope you have some glow heads, because I sure don't know where you would get another.  I've been trying to find a Cub 024 head without any luck.  These obsolete critters are that way for a reason, I guess.

Hi Russell,

These are the plastic tank ones that were the last series made.  What fuel did you use??  I have the two plus a spare glow head.  If all goes south with the heads,  I might have to drill out one and tap it for a plug or fit the Nelson plug.

I am really getting into some odd building desires lately!

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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2007, 11:29:50 AM »
I "dry fit" the parts last night, and got familiar with all the parts of the 1/2A Snapper kit from Ray (Minnesota Modeler).  It is even BETTER than I thought when I opened the box for the first time.  And, I was IMPRESSED upon that first "opening"!

I will take pictures as I go with this so that all can see the outstanding job Ray does.

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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2007, 10:43:36 PM »
I've been peeking in here now and then Bill to see how your Snapper is coming along. Any progress?
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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2007, 09:56:04 AM »
HI Frank,

Been hit by a virus (not computer!) and work............  should get some work done on it this weekend.

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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2007, 10:45:55 AM »
I got hit by both of those things myself last month...they kinda make you put models on a back burner.
I'm patient----take your time. I've seen some of the models you build so I'm sure the Snapper will be a gem.

You know I got a Snapper from Ray myself (two actually) one is built and ready to cover.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2007, 02:47:14 PM »
Headed to the shop with camera in hand!   ;D

Stay tuned!

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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2007, 03:20:20 PM »
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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2007, 09:37:09 AM »
Got the box back out and built the wing!  I forgot to take more pictures after I glued up the wing, but it only took 5 min. 43 sec. (I timed it! ;D ) to get a very straight wing built from the time it took after I took this picture.  I will admit that I spent more than a few minutes just looking at the pretty parts of the wing before I glued it!

I didn't go any farther because Iwas just too lazy (didn't feel like) mixing up some epoxy to glue the doublers.......... actually th ephone started ringing and I didn't get back to it.

Here's everything exactly like it came out of the box.  It's sorta an ARC the way Ray does his kits!  #^
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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2007, 10:07:52 AM »
Gret!! Good start.
Ray puts in quite  bit of work on these. Rudders glued, elevator wire glued and the fits are colossal. I guess I've gotten about 5 or 6 different models from him. They aall build very well and they fly good too.
Keep the pix coming Bill. y1
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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2007, 04:28:49 PM »
Good beginning, Bill...keep us posted.  And thanks for the compliments, guys. 

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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2007, 01:30:44 AM »
Today I got the fuselage built (you do it "on the wing"), stab installed, tail skid, fit the engine (I flipped the cylinder to an "inverted position on the Black Widow) and most of the top sheeting, plus fitting the hatch.  A *little* more sheeting, the head rest, and I can start the covering/painting.  I plan to cover it with red jap tissue on the wings, haven't decided on the fuselag color.

BTW: Ray, the nickle is a 1964, which is the second year I was "seriously" flying C/L!  I coulda built one of these back then. ;D

This has been an absolute JOY to build, and one of the easiest kits to build I have ever done.  I didn't have to do hardly anything other than glue stuff together, parts fits were near perfect all the way around.  I like the way Ray does things. He marks positions and such almost exactly like I do!  y1

Pictures tomorrow, I left the camera upstairs at the computer by accident.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2007, 09:23:01 AM »
Sounds like good progress, Bill, and I'm glad you like the kit.  If I mark things just like you do it must be right, right?

Looking forward to your pics.

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Re: 1/2A Snapper
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2007, 09:10:24 PM »
Here it is so far!  Not much more except sanding and finishing.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2007, 09:42:04 PM »
NICE!! that's looking good Bill.

So far everyone that I've talked to said that the Snapper is great flyer.

Thamks for the picture. Now I'm looking forward to one of those great finishes you do.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2007, 09:48:35 PM »
NICE!! that's looking good Bill.

So far everyone that I've talked to said that the Snapper is great flyer.

Thamks for the picture. Now I'm looking forward to one of those great finishes you do.

Thanks, Frank!  Boy, talk about pressure!  "Great finishes"!! I am trying to keep this one REAL LIGHT! **)
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2007, 01:46:22 AM »
Light is good...5 oz. if possible.  I really like this little plane.  It does fly nicely if a little fast.  My very first one, in the 50s (I was very young) had an Atwood .049 in it I think.  27' lines, 1/2A standard at the time, too short.  I believe it was the first plane I ever looped...now you know why I kitted it!

Good looking bones.  Like Frank, I'm looking forward to the "finished" pics.

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2007, 06:36:39 PM »
Bill you got me fired up...........I started doping my Snapper today. #^
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2007, 08:15:55 PM »
Watch for warps.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2007, 04:25:28 PM »
Warps and pictures from Bill. y1
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2007, 04:50:59 PM »
Warps and pictures from Bill. y1

Pictures will be coming! ;D
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2007, 05:21:56 PM »
Groovy wheels there Bill! Do ya think it'll burn rubber??  LL~ Or just do a wheely %^@
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2007, 09:52:41 PM »
Groovy wheels there Bill! Do ya think it'll burn rubber??  LL~ Or just do a wheely %^@

The wheels are pretty neat!  They were supplied by Ray, and light! y1
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2007, 08:25:39 AM »
Bill,

I just noticed in the pic (while checking out those awsome wheels) that you left the starter spring on. If you intend to use that starter, make sure it has room to bounce around or it may eat up the front end of your plane as it bounces. Remember, the plastic part takes up some room, and the spring bounces off that.

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2007, 09:38:27 AM »
Bill,

I just noticed in the pic (while checking out those awsome wheels) that you left the starter spring on. If you intend to use that starter, make sure it has room to bounce around or it may eat up the front end of your plane as it bounces. Remember, the plastic part takes up some room, and the spring bounces off that.

Looking good.

George


I saw that too. But I thought since Bill hadn't finished the plane yet that it was something he'd take care of during the build. I probably should have pointed it out I'm glad you did George. Better safe than sorry> y1


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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2007, 12:31:18 PM »
Thanks, guys.  I just put the engine on with two bolts to see how much clearance I would need to sand into the nose.  Went ahead and took pictures to get them posted.  Might leave it off (spring starter) to keep from ruining the "look" of that nose.

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2007, 05:07:10 AM »
I left the spring off my Snapper for the same reason Bill. What do you do when it starts up and runs backwards?
I used to just throw a rag into the prop but I hate the thought of doing that to this model. Do you have a better plan?
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2007, 07:38:06 AM »
Stick your hand in it, Frank...

I usually just use the rag trick.  But I found that wiith that nice smooth nose cone like Bill has you can pinch it hard enough to kill the engine, if you're careful.

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2007, 01:17:08 PM »
How's your Snapper progressing Bill?

I have mine covered now. I used Brodak medium silk span. I'm not going to cover the whole thing just the wing. The rest will be dope, primer and sanding.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2007, 07:38:21 PM »
How's your Snapper progressing Bill?

I have mine covered now. I used Brodak medium silk span. I'm not going to cover the whole thing just the wing. The rest will be dope, primer and sanding.

HI Frank,

Had a *little* delay.  Most of the weekend was spent replacing most of the floor in one of my bathrooms........... puppy, old tile and................

All the wood work is done!  Even hollowed out Ray's head rest. 

I am using Jap tissue on the wings.  Red, of course!  The fuselage will get a nitrate base (can use nitrate as a filler and keep it light!) and dope color. 

Had thought of just using red tissue all over and touching it up with some color trim!   This would yield the lightest finish..........might just go that route after all.  On second thought, that's what I will do.

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2007, 08:11:20 PM »
At first I'd thought about using colored Jap Tissue on the whole model but when I started plotting the steps I couldn't see a way to avoid overlapping the tissue on the fuselage so I abandoned that idea.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2007, 08:21:38 PM »
At first I'd thought about using colored Jap Tissue on the whole model but when I started plotting the steps I couldn't see a way to avoid overlapping the tissue on the fuselage so I abandoned that idea.

Hi Frank,

Several years back, a fellow who published the "Professor" (a built up fuselage Tutor, basically) did a video article for Bob Hunt on applying tissue with out leaving seams.  He is an excdelent wood worker and did most all his planes in jap tissue to show off the wood work.

It is like joining carpet or linoleium.  When it's overlapped, take a straight edge and razor, cut it, remove the excess, then seal the edges down good.  They pretty well disappear.   You know the drill.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2007, 08:33:31 PM »
Hi Frank,

Several years back, a fellow who published the "Professor" (a built up fuselage Tutor, basically) did a video article for Bob Hunt on applying tissue with out leaving seams.  He is an excdelent wood worker and did most all his planes in jap tissue to show off the wood work.

It is like joining carpet or linoleium.  When it's overlapped, take a straight edge and razor, cut it, remove the excess, then seal the edges down good.  They pretty well disappear.   You know the drill.


Why didn't I think of that???  mw~  Thanks Bill. I'll use that little trick from now on!! y1
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2007, 01:58:22 PM »
Bill,

As you know I am in the finishing stages of a Snapper. I just got done cutting a 1/32 ply windscreen for it.
Well...........I was wondering if it would be o.k. to post progress pix of the work here with you or should I start another thread?

I don't want to be a bother. HH%%
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2007, 02:07:56 PM »
Well I suspect Bill thinks it's 'way too late to worry about that, Frank...heh heh heh.

 I for one would like to see your Snapper windscreen.  Kinda the same order as the one you made for your Autogyro, I guess?

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2007, 02:19:17 PM »


 I for one would like to see your Snapper windscreen.  Kinda the same order as the one you made for your Autogyro, I guess?

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2007, 06:22:24 AM »
HI Frank,

post your pictures here!  I think it will be neat to have them both here (when I get mine with some finish on it, too.)

Kinda like that Queen Bee post............

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« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2007, 06:59:02 AM »
HI Frank,

post your pictures here!  I think it will be neat to have them both here (when I get mine with some finish on it, too.)

Kinda like that Queen Bee post............

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Cool Bill!! I didn't want to just barge in on you.

So here's the update........I've made two attempts so far at making a windscreen frame for the Snapper. The first one was way wrong and..........well so was the second. I have some running to do taday and won't be able to go for try #3 till this afternoon. I have about 4 coats of clear on the plane so far and it looks like it's ready for a base coat. I'm having a brain block as far as a paint scheme. Right now I'm thinking white, red, and yellow for colors. The white being the primary and the yellow the secondary with red bringing up the rear. Or maybe red as the secondary. Maybe a sun burst. I don't know.
What are you doing with yours? Do ya have any ideas to steal??
Frank Carlisle

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2007, 12:16:23 PM »
I'm ready to sand and paint this puppy......
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2007, 08:59:30 PM »
Hey Bill................where are you? How's your Snapper coming along?? I feel like I have to go full tilt with mine because Ray and I will be starting our 1/2A arrows by the first of next week.
It took four tries before I got a windscreen I liked. I kept getting them cut uneven or just all cut up. But I think I figured a way to do it from now on. We'll see. I'm going to stick the windscreen on during final assembly so I can get some plastic in there so it looks like glass.
It only took about 45 mins. to sand it. And even less time to spray a coat of primer on it. One thing I know for sure now is that it is harder to get a smooth finish without covering the model first.
I'll tell you--the great thing about these little planes is that they are short projects compared to a stunter and you get a chance to try out different applications without wrecking a big plane.

Here are two pix of it in primer.
Frank Carlisle

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2007, 08:09:30 AM »
Very nice, Frank.  I like the LG fairings, shades of the Autogyro!  Looks good.  Stars, you think?

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2007, 08:54:13 AM »
Very nice, Frank.  I like the LG fairings, shades of the Autogyro!  Looks good.  Stars, you think?

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Thanks Ray. The LG fairings went on aas an afterthought. It was too easy to do not to have them.

Stars I think. How do you think it would look with the fuselage and rudder blue with white stars and a red sunburst on wing and stabilizer?
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2007, 05:55:00 PM »
Hi Frank,

I have settled on having an all red Jap tissue finish.  I will probably cut some tissue for trim.  Just looking to get a fairly 1949 look to it. ;D

Just haven't had the time to get back to work the last couple of days, nothing in the workshop has been touched much since the weekend.  Gonna try and spend some time here shortly down in the basement!

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2007, 06:42:30 PM »
doing a red tissue finish should slow you down Bill. It'll look really good though. I'm guessing black trim?
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