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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2007, 08:33:57 PM »
Thanks Ray. The LG fairings went on aas an afterthought. It was too easy to do not to have them.

Stars I think. How do you think it would look with the fuselage and rudder blue with white stars and a red sunburst on wing and stabilizer?

If you do it, it'll look cool, guaranteed. 

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2007, 10:01:42 PM »
If you do it, it'll look cool, guaranteed. 

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2007, 10:20:09 PM »
doing a red tissue finish should slow you down Bill. It'll look really good though. I'm guessing black trim?

Black trim is my idea for it.  The tissue finish will not take very long on a plane this small!  I just have to ge the time to do it from start to finish! LOL!!

I have some gold tissue, but I am hot sure just how goos it will show up on the red........
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2007, 02:37:46 AM »
Bill would you please take pictures of the different steps? Like how you cut the tissue. How you lay the tissue on. Things like that? I am a patient maan. Do not worry about how long before you get the time. I'll wait. Just show us how you do it.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2007, 09:55:42 AM »
Bill would you please take pictures of the different steps? Like how you cut the tissue. How you lay the tissue on. Things like that? I am a patient maan. Do not worry about how long before you get the time. I'll wait. Just show us how you do it.

Hi Frank,

I will do that.  With a "project" this small, I am a touch concerned about how it will go, but excited to see the outcome!   With a larger subject, it isn't hard at all to do with patience.  With something this small (I just ain't use to working with these litle buggers!) it is going to be challenging for me.  That's part of the reason I want to do it! ;D

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2007, 10:55:23 AM »
Hi Frank,

I will do that.  With a "project" this small, I am a touch concerned about how it will go, but excited to see the outcome!   With a larger subject, it isn't hard at all to do with patience.  With something this small (I just ain't use to working with these litle buggers!) it is going to be challenging for me.  That's part of the reason I want to do it! ;D

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2007, 04:09:12 PM »
You shoulda tried building the Queen Bee.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2007, 04:16:00 PM »
You shoulda tried building the Queen Bee.

HI Ray,

I used to detail cockpits in 1/72nd scale WW II fighter models...........

Just not used to working with flying planes this small!! **)

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2007, 05:50:26 PM »
HI Ray,

I used to detail cockpits in 1/72nd scale WW II fighter models...........

Just not used to working with flying planes this small!! **)

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you won't really start having fun till you try covering the area in the tail between where the push rod exits and the rudder.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2007, 01:06:12 PM »
Well Frank!  The Nitrate is drying on the Snapper.  Once it's cured, I will do the final sanding and the covering will commence.  Going to use the red Jap Tissue all over.  I have all the colors known to man in Jap tissue, so what trim color do you suggest?  Remember, it will be doped on colored tissue!

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2007, 01:24:35 PM »
Well Frank!  The Nitrate is drying on the Snapper.  Once it's cured, I will do the final sanding and the covering will commence.  Going to use the red Jap Tissue all over.  I have all the colors known to man in Jap tissue, so what trim color do you suggest?  Remember, it will be doped on colored tissue!

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I guess black Bill............or Dark Blue. Won't most of the other colors let the red shine through.

I'm just now taking a break from masking my Snapper. I'm doing the bottom of it too.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2007, 02:04:44 PM »
Well Frank!  The Nitrate is drying on the Snapper.  Once it's cured, I will do the final sanding and the covering will commence.  Going to use the red Jap Tissue all over.  I have all the colors known to man in Jap tissue, so what trim color do you suggest?  Remember, it will be doped on colored tissue!

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Bill,
Is the colored jap tissue you use the same stuff that you can find in the gift wrapping section used for gift bag tissue(like Hallmark, ect)? Just wondering if it is the same stuff...looks the same... ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2007, 02:33:08 PM »
Bill,
Is the colored jap tissue you use the same stuff that you can find in the gift wrapping section used for gift bag tissue(like Hallmark, ect)? Just wondering if it is the same stuff...looks the same... ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Jap Tissue is different than gift wrapping tissue................

How about let's talk about set backs. I have about 6 hours into masking off the Snapper for a good ole patriotic scheme. I managed to cut a little nick in the covering. Now look what I got.............oooh nooooo!!
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2007, 03:22:02 PM »
I'm fixing that hole. Right now I'm waiting for the dope to dry and hoping it draws up tight.
We'll see. If this doesn't look good I'll cut it out and do it again.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2007, 05:42:39 PM »
I'm fixing that hole. Right now I'm waiting for the dope to dry and hoping it draws up tight.
We'll see. If this doesn't look good I'll cut it out and do it again.
Im assuming that area will be the dark blue /stars section, so your patch wont be noticable? :!
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #65 on: February 04, 2007, 06:19:45 PM »
Im assuming that area will be the dark blue /stars section, so your patch wont be noticable? :!



Yes.............The patch is right between the blue and the sun burst. I'll be able to hide it in the midst of all the color changes.
This is a prime example of why it's good to build all of these small and for the most part insignificant models.We'll have the same bloopers on them as we will our stunt planes. As we learn how to handle these screw ups on the little planes we'll learn how to avoid them on the serious bigger planes and more importantly we'll know how to handle them on our stunters. y1
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #66 on: February 04, 2007, 06:36:50 PM »
One tip to help hide patches.  Most of you know this, I guess, but for those who haven't heard it:  Cut your patch a *little* bigger than you normally would, then tear the edges of the silkspan along the cut lines.  Not a lot, just all th eway around so that it is not a "sharp line".  This really helps the edges to blend in with less work.  The torn edge is "softer" than the cut edge.

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #67 on: February 04, 2007, 08:04:00 PM »
And you have to use clear to get the patch started. I used white and it failed. I have since cut out the original patch and have replaced it with new silkspan using clear dope for the adhesive and the first coats. Patience and protocal are everything.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2007, 09:05:50 PM »
And you have to use clear to get the patch started. I used white and it failed. I have since cut out the original patch and have replaced it with new silkspan using clear dope for the adhesive and the first coats. Patience and protocal are everything.

Yep, never had any success with trying to use colored dope to stick on any kind of covering.  And you cannot use nitrate after you have put down anything else! ;D  Learned that one the hard way!
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #69 on: February 04, 2007, 09:39:13 PM »
Patch # 2 is working out real good. You just can't rush the protocal.
Tomorrow I will have pics of a most excellent paint scheme.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #70 on: February 04, 2007, 10:11:23 PM »
Patch # 2 is working out real good. You just can't rush the protocal.
Tomorrow I will have pics of a most excellent paint scheme.
mw~ Protocol?  mw~ ??? What Protocol?  mw~ ???.....Weee dont need no stinkin' Protocol!!! LL~

I'm sure it will be most excellent...
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #71 on: February 05, 2007, 02:51:23 AM »
Star and stripes forever...I can hardly wait to see it.

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #72 on: February 05, 2007, 05:14:06 AM »
Star and stripes forever...I can hardly wait to see it.

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I can hardly wait either Ray. That hole sure came at a bad time. I'd planned on putting clear coats on it by now.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #73 on: February 05, 2007, 10:06:53 AM »
Not a bad repair.

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #74 on: February 05, 2007, 10:31:44 AM »
what repair?? :P
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #75 on: February 05, 2007, 10:37:29 AM »
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #76 on: February 05, 2007, 03:09:58 PM »
Just dont screw it up again...  HB~> :X
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #77 on: February 05, 2007, 05:52:47 PM »
I got my Snapper painted today. HH%% As usual there are touch ups that need to be done. HB~> When it's touched up and has a couple coats of clear on it, it should look pretty good. y1 I'm going to let it gas off a day or two before I touch it again.

I tried painting it with the dope to thinner ratio beng 75% thinner. It still covered good. I think less color will mean less weight. Next time I'm going to try using mostly clear with the color in there for the tint and a lower thinner to dope ratio.
Thinned out that much the dope really flies out of the sprayer. That's a good thing right? y1

Now where the heck are the Arrow plans? AP^
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #78 on: February 05, 2007, 07:11:41 PM »
Looks GREAT Frank! y1

I wouldn't expect anything less from you!Very Patriotic and a Great recovery from you lil' accident. f~  ~>

 mw~ Now, about that Heat.......

BTW...Whats the bottom look like? ???
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #79 on: February 05, 2007, 08:10:12 PM »
Gorgeous, Frank...those pics are destined for my web page, if that's OK with you. What's the final weight?

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #80 on: February 05, 2007, 08:25:22 PM »
Looks GREAT Frank! y1

I wouldn't expect anything less from you!Very Patriotic and a Great recovery from you lil' accident. f~  ~>

 mw~ Now, about that Heat.......

BTW...Whats the bottom look like? ???



Thanks Richard-----I did find another tear on the bottom. Still have to fix it. I skipped putting stars on the bottom to make the repair easier.

RSM called me about using pictures of my Heat for their website so tomorrow I'm cleaning the shop and getting back to work on it.

Here is a picture of the bottom of the Snapper. I'm going to pick up some vinyl lettering for the name and my AMA #.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #81 on: February 05, 2007, 08:30:37 PM »
Gorgeous, Frank...those pics are destined for my web page, if that's OK with you. What's the final weight?

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Ray if you hold up on the pics till the end of the week it will be looking a lot better.  I still have touchups, the windscren and clear coats to go. I promise it'll look twice as good so wait if you please.
I won't know the final weight but I'm guess it'll be pretty much the same weight as yours plus a 1/4 to 1/2 oz.

It was a nice kit. Thanks for making it for me.

Still no Arrow plans.................SIGH.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #82 on: February 05, 2007, 09:23:57 PM »


Thanks Richard-----I did find another tear on the bottom. Still have to fix it. I skipped putting stars on the bottom to make the repair easier.

RSM called me about using pictures of my Heat for their website so tomorrow I'm cleaning the shop and getting back to work on it.

Here is a picture of the bottom of the Snapper. I'm going to pick up some vinyl lettering for the name and my AMA #.
Bummer on the tear down there, youll make it right though! All the publicity your models are getting goes back to you being a true craftsman of model building! Congratulations on the RSM spread, will be looking for it to come out. Did you ever get the engine mounts drilled? I think the last pixs I seen of it, you were about ready for the clear coat? That is one sharp paint scheme. You will, however, need to eat several boxes of wheaties the day you test fly it!
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #83 on: February 06, 2007, 07:46:04 AM »


Ray if you hold up on the pics till the end of the week it will be looking a lot better.  I still have touchups, the windscren and clear coats to go. I promise it'll look twice as good so wait if you please.
I won't know the final weight but I'm guess it'll be pretty much the same weight as yours plus a 1/4 to 1/2 oz.

It was a nice kit. Thanks for making it for me.

Still no Arrow plans.................SIGH.

OK I'll wait.  Getting a lot of practice at it with those Arrow plans...
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #84 on: February 06, 2007, 12:21:38 PM »
It'll just be a couple days Ray. I picked up a pilot today for it. He's a little bigger than I'd like but he'll do. y1

EDIT--------got the touch ups going. I'll have it final assembled tomorrow. How do you like it now?
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #85 on: February 06, 2007, 04:58:32 PM »
It'll just be a couple days Ray. I picked up a pilot today for it. He's a little bigger than I'd like but he'll do. y1

EDIT--------got the touch ups going. I'll have it final assembled tomorrow. How do you like it now?
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #86 on: February 06, 2007, 05:43:17 PM »
Beautiful as expected...I think the takeoff run will be a little shorter if you put wheels on it.

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #87 on: February 06, 2007, 05:48:58 PM »
oh yeah!!! mo bedda...... y1



Thanks Richard..............hey I even managed to get little plastic lenses in the windscreen. CLP**

I hope Ray has an idea about line length. This is the third 1/2A model this winter. I now have a Brodak Stop Sign- A Minnesota Modeler Snapper and Queen Bee and a Black Hawk Models Auto-Gyro. And I did a reasonably good job on all four. What I like is the guys here in Michigan don't really go in too much for making their 1/2A models pretty so it's going to be a hoot taking these out to the circle. y1
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #88 on: February 06, 2007, 05:53:12 PM »
Beautiful as expected...I think the takeoff run will be a little shorter if you put wheels on it.

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Wheels? O.K. wheels. I'm going to try and have it RTF by tomorrow evening Ray. I keep finding spots I need to fix and I think that big white space on the fuselage sides needs a red stripe.
It feels a little crazy putting so much into it but shoot............why not? y1
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #89 on: February 06, 2007, 06:20:30 PM »
Indeed.  Too cold to fly; no Arrow plans to drool over; may as well piddle with paint. 

You mentioned line length...I always use 35' minimum, for the weak-to-moderate .049s; usually 42' for the strong ones, and some of the .061 models (notably combat wing, which I love to see go really really fast); up to, as I've said before, 48' for the LittleAxe.  I have 15' on the Queen Bee which according to rather disturbing reports from others, is probably half as long as it needs.  But I'm gonna find out for myself anyhow, first flight will be 15' lines.

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #90 on: February 06, 2007, 06:27:17 PM »
And Ray would those be 8 or 12 thousandths? Which?

Oh and by the way that 300 posts on our giro thread was really something. We sure had a lot to say about that little plane. The 12 year old kid is probably frozen in a snow drift with his. He shoulda taken his time. LL~

Bill thankyou for letting me join you on this thread.

My Snapper is RTF now. Here are the pics. Weighs 6 1/2 oz.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #91 on: February 07, 2007, 02:02:25 AM »
Lines--Spiderwire of course!  I do have a set of 35' .008 cable, but they look so fragile I've never used them.  Always figured, if I ever go to a contest...

I have used .012 x 35'.  That might get a little heavy at 42', certainly at anything longer.

6.5 oz. on the Snapper is good, maybe a skosh heavier than mine but it looks so good it's worth it.  Award-winning job.
Thanks for making my planes look so good!

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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #92 on: February 07, 2007, 07:24:08 AM »
Lines--Spiderwire of course!  I do have a set of 35' .008 cable, but they look so fragile I've never used them.  Always figured, if I ever go to a contest...

I have used .012 x 35'.  That might get a little heavy at 42', certainly at anything longer.

6.5 oz. on the Snapper is good, maybe a skosh heavier than mine but it looks so good it's worth it.  Award-winning job.
Thanks for making my planes look so good!

--Ray



I have a roll of Siderwire.........I've used the .008 limes before they really aren't very robust. I guess I'll try different things this year. Now that I'm hooked on 1/2A.

Thanks again for the compliments Ray.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #93 on: February 12, 2007, 07:57:41 AM »
Frank,

You have a great looking airplane. I have a couple of general questions and comments:

Have you tried the "Hallmark" tissue for covering? I understand that it is adequate but heavier.

I have heard of some using that tissue for trim because it comes in so many colors, and is much cheaper than Jap tissue.

Sometimes a small split in covering (like sanding through at a rib..  :'( ) can be repaired by alighning the tissue with a T-pin and CAREFULLY applying Brodak Rejuvenator. Same with a punched hole if tissue can be aligned.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #94 on: February 12, 2007, 08:13:23 AM »
Frank,

You have a great looking airplane. I have a couple of general questions and comments:

Have you tried the "Hallmark" tissue for covering? I understand that it is adequate but heavier.

I have heard of some using that tissue for trim because it comes in so many colors, and is much cheaper than Jap tissue.

Sometimes a small split in covering (like sanding through at a rib..  :'( ) can be repaired by aligning the tissue with a T-pin and CAREFULLY applying Brodak Rejuvenator. Same with a punched hole if tissue can be aligned.




I've always looked at Hallmark tissue and thought it would work for covering a plane. I never actually tried it though. I probably will now since you figure it will work too. It would certainly be worth a go at it.
At 45 cents a sheet I can't say that Jap tissue is very expensive but the wide variety of colors that Hallmark offers is a sure selling point.
You know, I found one more tear on the bottom wing. It was about a quarter inch long and right against a rib. I lined up the ends and glued it with clear dope. It worked! I don't know how strong it is but I'll bet it'll hold as well as anything. The Jap tissue isn't all that strong anyway. So it will probably get a tear somewhere else first.
I'll be sure to try some Hallmark next time George. Thanks for the tip.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #95 on: February 12, 2007, 08:49:58 AM »
Last time I bought tissue it was about three times what you paid so I checked online. It's out there, ya just gotta look around.

For one or two sheets, perhaps your local Hallmark store might be your best bet since you would bypass shipping charges. Otherwise, as you say, cost difference is about nill...of course, this is valid ONLY if it works.

For thise who have never covered with Japanese tissue, Bob Hunt has an excellent video where Larry Kruse shows three methods of covering and why each is used. Before the video, I only knew ONE way. :(

George
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #96 on: February 13, 2007, 10:33:27 PM »
My LHS has quite a few tubes of Jap Tissue. Apparently there isn't/hasn't been much call for it so I suppose I may have an unlimited supply.

If you need some George I could always buy some for you and send it in a tube.
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #97 on: March 05, 2007, 03:55:23 AM »
BILL------DID YOU EVER FINISH YOUR SNAPPER? ???
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #98 on: March 09, 2007, 06:07:37 PM »
I have built 3 Snappers over the years, the first one was Cub powered, and flew OK.  The second had a Wen Mac and silk covering - what a toad.  The third was quite recent, and I did EVERYTHING to lighten it up - scratch built with light 1/32" balsa, Holland Wasp engine, balloon tank, Litespan covering (no paint required, lighter than Jap tissue, but tougher) and clear epoxy on the wood.

Would you believe 4 ounces?  37' of .008 solid wire lines.  5x3 prop. Completely capable of a competitive pattern.  Loved that model to death!  I put an Atwood Shriek on it for one flight.  Whoa Nellie!  That puppy came right back off again.
Think S.M.A.L.L. y'all and, it's all good, CL, FF and RC!

DesignMan
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Re: 1/2A Snapper (new pics 1-22-07)
« Reply #99 on: March 09, 2007, 07:32:40 PM »
hi Larry,

I'm still waiting for warm weather to fly my Snapper. I hope it goes like your #3.

Welcome to StuntHangar.
Frank Carlisle


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