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Offline Wayne Collier

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sewn hinge question
« on: February 10, 2010, 04:08:22 AM »
Hey you guys that use thread for hinges, do you pre drill holes in the stab & elv for the thread or just make the holes with a needle?

Also, for cloth hinges, in the past I've used tightbond or elmers to glue the cloth to the stab & elv.  How does CA work for this?
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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2010, 07:28:46 AM »
For the sewn hinges, I predrill the holes with a template.  The thread is 1/2A flying line.

For the cloth hinges, I dope up the wood pretty good, about four coats or more.  Then get the cloth to lay down with some water and dope them down.  Use clamps and scrap wood to align the surfaces and just do one or two hinges at time.
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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2010, 08:39:46 AM »
  I too dope my hinges down, however I'll dope them all to the stab or elev, when dry then dope to other surface.. H^^
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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2010, 09:24:32 AM »
I just use a good stout needle and eyeball the hole locations.  I always get a good workable hinge, but if I were aiming for top notch appearance I'd probably at least mark things out before hand.  I use carpet thread.
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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2010, 10:20:36 AM »
I pre-drill the holes and use a figure 8 pattern, three full times around.  Then tie off with a square knot, then a drop of CA at the holes.  Just a small drop, too much gets into the hinge line.  Some don't use the knot, just the CA.
I gave up on the current crop of 1/2 A flying wires, they just self-destructed in very little time.  I now use the braided SPIDERWIRE.  Kind of shows up but is indestructable.  I was having a lot of hinge problems with a 52 powered R/C, the nylon hinges that came with it were just too stiff and even took a permanent set, yielding a constantly changing neutral.  Replaced them with figure 8 spiderwire, no further problems.
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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2010, 04:51:30 PM »
I glue a 1/16" thick piece of spruce or basswood to the edge of each surface to have a sewn hinge.  To get a good finish, the spruce should be a little bit wider than the thickness of the surface, thats allows you to sand it flush down to the surface for a perfect fit.  Drilling holes is not necessary.  I lay a ruller along the edge of the surface and use a pin to layout a series of marks at 1/4" increments, just at the edge of the piece of spruce.  Do the same thing to the mating surface, except to offfset this set of the holes by 1/8" from the 1st set.   Then I come back with the needle that I will eventually use to sew, but without any thread, and push it all the way thru the balsa at each of the marks to make them like pilot holes, which makes the sewing easier.   I start in the middle and sew a continuous figure 8 stitch out to each tip.  Kinda looks like a baseball stitch..
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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2010, 08:47:29 AM »
I made a template out of drink can aluminum.  Folded in half, then about 1/8" from the fold, bend back flat on both sides.  The little resulting flange goes into the slot between elevator and stabilizer.  There are holes in both "wings" that become my guide.  I just run a pin through one hole to anchor the thing, then poke another pin through all the guide holes.  My preferred thread is Spiderwire, but just about anything will be stronger than the balsa surfaces.  Hardwood is overkill, in my opinion; I have never had a hinge failure.
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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2010, 09:35:34 AM »
Have you guys tried the Kevlar thread?   I like the idea of a template, but then I would where I put it.  So I use a ruler and marking pen.
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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2010, 10:06:28 AM »
Kevlar tends to fray and doesn't seem to take well to flexing repeatedly, at least that is my experience.
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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2010, 01:22:30 PM »
Here is a photo of the little guide I made.  It is upside-down.  The tab goes into the slot between the surfaces, then run a pin through each of the holes.   y1
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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2010, 02:51:55 PM »
I've made sewn hinges for many years, using dental floss.  I have never had one fail. I do close sewn hinges as shown on Dave Day's site.  http://www.iroquois.free-online.co.uk/knot.htm

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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2010, 02:03:59 PM »
Thanks for the responce to this thread.  You guys are a lot of help.  I finally got a couple of elevators done this week.  I am not an expert at either method at this point.  The sewn hinge does seem to move a bit more freely than the cloth hinge.

Sorry for the picture quality.  Camera battery low, and memory card nearly full.
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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2010, 03:25:25 PM »
Congratulations Wayne! They both look good.
 Goes to show that even the unfamiliar and inexperienced can do a decent job of this. This way you will be able to make a better judgment on what you think is best. It is kind of like taking a taste test to see which you like best. Both done well are quite good.

My question for now is was either hinging style difficult for you?

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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2010, 04:03:59 PM »
I have done cloth hinges before. This time I tried using dope instead of glue.  It is also probably the most careful cloth hinges I've done.  I'm wanting to use a clear finish that will let the wood grain show on the stab/elevator and main wing.  Since the hinges will be visible, I wanted them neat.

I can't remember ever using sewn hinges before.  I did learn that if the stitches are pulled too tight the thread can cut the balsa.  I did make pilot holes for the needle.  I really like the way it turned out.  I hope the stitches all but disappear when painted.
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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2010, 12:03:01 AM »
Sadly, you did not use white thread, so I think the hinges will not disappear. I have found Spectra thread in white, but the hinges are so strong, that ANY thread will do.  I used regular polyester sewing thread for years before Spiderwire became available.  Either way, I have never had a failure.  I only use Spiderwire because I already have it.
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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2010, 03:24:57 AM »
"I can't remember ever using sewn hinges before.  I did learn that if the stitches are pulled too tight the thread can cut the balsa.  I did make pilot holes for the needle.  I really like the way it turned out.  I hope the stitches all but disappear when painted."

Wayne, The softer the wood the more this would be a problem but no matter because you only need it to be snug. No reason to overdo it. As for the stitching disappearing, if this were a wound or scar I could see your point but when did the high contrast of blood red stitching on a white baseball become unsightly? Besides in my humble opinion this shows the level and care of your craftsmanship, something which would be sadly lacking if you were dealing with an ARF for example.

Maybe it is just me but I wouldn't be bothered if the stitching were visible.

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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2010, 04:25:48 AM »
Sadly, you did not use white thread, so I think the hinges will not disappear. I have found Spectra thread in white, but the hinges are so strong, that ANY thread will do.  I used regular polyester sewing thread for years before Spiderwire became available.  Either way, I have never had a failure.  I only use Spiderwire because I already have it.

I didn't mention that while the clothed hinged piece pictured is one I want to finish in clear dope, the stitched one is to be painted olive (probably spray can rustoleum).  As far as thread, I did use braided spiderwire as it was on hand and available.
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Re: sewn hinge question
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2010, 11:24:00 AM »
Several times, when I thought it appropriate,  I have used the green mint flavored dental floss. H^^


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