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Design => Stunt design => Topic started by: George Fruhling on May 16, 2023, 09:38:23 PM

Title: XF-91 Wing
Post by: George Fruhling on May 16, 2023, 09:38:23 PM
The Republic XF-91 Had swept wings that flared out with the cord widest at the tip. I wonder how that would work with a C/L stunt plane with straight wing.
Title: Re: XF-91 Wing
Post by: Dave Hull on May 16, 2023, 11:08:53 PM
You might not like it in gusty or turbulent conditions
Title: Re: XF-91 Wing
Post by: Air Ministry . on May 16, 2023, 11:31:48 PM
Our REJECT peacemaker , The Aeromudler one , had too quick cut rejects . SOMETIMES . Dont think we were sucked in more than once ! .

However , with a no nitrate Yin Yan  , if you whipped it  hugely for five laps , clibing in the last two , then dived -
You Might get a loop. If you kept whipping !
If you didnt you didnt .

The Field was three football fields , with 80 foot 45 degree banks , between levels . ( all remodelled now  >:( )
A outside loop from level , it'd PULL Somewhat . Unexpectedly . On a good day you might get it back up to ' ground level ' again .
At least once or twice I DID .

SO , Dont use a Yin Yan ! other than that , im not sure Its entirely Relevant ,  HOWEVER . Some current dwelling on WINGS might help .



The old YARDSTICK undercarrage mounts . A PINE Stick across , to ' catch the loads ' .

You might figure the Center of Area , on a side . And run a fancy Caron Backed or somesuch , cross spar . Anchored securely in the fuselage .

This'd sort of ' get ' the thing evenerish stressed - and you can put the wings on the other way round , if it dosnt work backward !  S?P  LL~

ACTUALLY , This could look darned good .

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTN_qgiiJaOJpw0scplK547S_Dped6BgEuhyg&usqp=CAU)

Hunt Thunderchiefish or that blokes MURAT ish , if you went sorta scale . STYLE .
(https://outerzone.co.uk/images/_thumbs/models/6183.jpg)

https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=6183

Title: Re: XF-91 Wing
Post by: George Fruhling on May 17, 2023, 03:44:05 PM
You lost me there, Air Ministry.  Anyway, I was thinking of a straight, not swept wing design.  You a big Devo fan. "Whip it, whip it good!"   ;D
Title: Re: XF-91 Wing
Post by: Air Ministry . on May 17, 2023, 11:38:43 PM
Yin Yans and solid foam wing ' flite steaks ' ( peacemaker ) have a performance that may not be described as invigorateing .

The FOAM WINGS they cut TOO QUICK sagged ( the cutting wire ) in the middle . So gave the effect you mentioned . Amougst others .  n~


IF you had a say 1 1/2 x 3/8 STRONG ' stick , going across say 30 inches or three feet , with slip on wings . Ply Ribs at root and spar end - or a box spar sliding over the ' stick ' ,

You could have slide on detachable wings , and then , if the thick tips  roll it 90 degrees when you hit your slipstream , offsett . You can put em on normal , later .
After youve explored all the avenues of performance . IGNORE the Foam Peacemaker , Wasnt a ' Comp. ship . We built better before we met that lot !

Youll never know till you try it . A X in -planform - winged thing , closed across'd have very wide chord way out . !

Was a British ' Martin Baker maybe , Design sketch of something akin to youre idea . NOT THIS .
(https://www.aerosociety.com/media/10069/p1214-web.jpg?width=500&height=327.77777777777777)

maybe in here or there . w t h .  >:(
(https://modelingmadness.com/scott/books/brdbook.jpg)

(https://stellabooks.com/storage/images/stock/1824/1824540.JPG)

coulda beena Saunders Roe rocket plane - Think it was never built - theyed draw myrid concepts for evaluation . AS Control Lines TEATHERED , you can try stuff inapropriate to free flight !

Wake in the middle should be less than conventional ships , maybe giving it sharp precise controls .  ;D

Title: Re: XF-91 Wing
Post by: FLOYD CARTER on May 20, 2023, 06:48:06 PM
It might work.  But it would be ugly as hell.
Title: Re: XF-91 Wing
Post by: john e. holliday on May 20, 2023, 08:33:16 PM
Really, if that had worked we would have more develop of the design. D>K
Title: Re: XF-91 Wing
Post by: Air Ministry . on May 23, 2023, 10:05:48 PM
But it Wasnt Control Line ! .  VD~  S?P

With lucky box slots and removable wings , he could try them BOTH WAYS , for a DIRECT Comparison .
Title: Re: XF-91 Wing
Post by: George Fruhling on May 24, 2023, 12:21:55 AM
Really, if that had worked we would have more develop of the design. D>K

In a video about the XF-91, it was said the plane performed fairly well. The design was supposed to prevent or minimize  wingtip stalls.  Now if that's an issue with C/L, not sure. Seen video of RC planes crashing from tip stall.