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Author Topic: VECO PAPOOSE PLANS, NOT KIT PLANS - "REAL" PLANS - CURRENT INFO  (Read 794 times)

Offline Ed OBrien

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VECO PAPOOSE PLANS, NOT KIT PLANS - "REAL" PLANS - CURRENT INFO
« on: October 08, 2019, 12:19:03 PM »
Anyone have reasonably current on a set of VECO Papoose plans. Not looking for a copy of kit plans, rather a plan showing all the parts and full wing, hopefully with a top view of the fuselage. I want something that I can build on, ribs, bulkheads; not a project trying to figure what the parts NOT shown on the kit plans might look like.

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Re: VECO PAPOOSE PLANS, NOT KIT PLANS - "REAL" PLANS - CURRENT INFO
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2019, 03:27:09 PM »
Ed,
I have been looking for the real Papoose plans for over a year. The one I am looking for is the original Poy-Wog airfoil ship (this would be OTS legal). It seems no one ever built this or had the plans. If you find them please post.

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Re: VECO PAPOOSE PLANS, NOT KIT PLANS - "REAL" PLANS - CURRENT INFO
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2019, 11:56:29 AM »
  Hey Ed;
     Is not the difference between a Papoose and Squaw just in flaps?  I have Joe Wagner's plan for the Squaw, and it has flaps, and I'm still looking for the Papoose, but I think I remember hearing that from Joe himself. Maybe some one else can fill in some details.
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     Dan McEntee

  Edit to update; I have not found the Papoose plans as yet. I did find a Veco Kit and the assembly sheet shows flaps on that model, so scratch that. I bought a lot of plans directly from Joe Wagner in 2003 and had hims sign and date them. I might not have gotten the Papoose, but still looking. I may be thinking of the Brave and Warrior? They may be the same or similar but one has flaps and the other doesn't?? Part of the fun of the hobby, figgering stuff out!
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Re: VECO PAPOOSE PLANS, NOT KIT PLANS - "REAL" PLANS - CURRENT INFO
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2020, 10:38:29 AM »
Ed,
I did a search on the Original Papoose and found that Jim Thomerson had a set of the original papoose but unfortunately he passed away several years back. I don't know is anyone got them from his estate. Does anyone know if Joe Wagner is still around? He did the redesign at VECO and maybe he has a set of the old plans.

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Re: VECO PAPOOSE PLANS, NOT KIT PLANS - "REAL" PLANS - CURRENT INFO
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2020, 12:15:14 PM »
Dennis, sadly, Joe Wagner also passed away recently.

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Re: VECO PAPOOSE PLANS, NOT KIT PLANS - "REAL" PLANS - CURRENT INFO
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2020, 10:21:43 PM »
If my eyes and memory serve me right the Papoose and the Squaw are two different airplanes.   I built the Squaw back in the early 60's and got one flight before pushrod soldering job failed on an attempted wing over pull out.  I have the Papoose kit on the shelf that if some local would like to replicate the kit to a plane like most are used to these days, I might be talked into letting them use it.  Back then the thought was to sell more kits if plans were not full size.   Yet the kit plans like Sterling gave a good lesson on building the design. D>K

By the way now I remember the Squaw and Brave were same design.  Brave showed movable flaps. H^^
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Re: VECO PAPOOSE PLANS, NOT KIT PLANS - "REAL" PLANS - CURRENT INFO
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2020, 07:37:24 AM »
Doc,
Yes the Papoose and Squaw are different ships. The Papoose is a bit smaller, the original like the Squaw had polliwog airfoils. when Joe Wagner joined VECO he revised all the kits to a more conventional airfoil that is easier to build and cover. Unfortunately, all those kits are not OTS legal but are classic legal.

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