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Offline Gordon Tarbell

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Round cowl vs. inline cowl
« on: July 31, 2007, 06:54:21 PM »
I want to put togeather a large stunter with a round cowl (corsair, fw190. GeeBee, etc.) how much prop effectiveness do I loose over the use of an inline cowl design. The cowl I was thinking to use is about eight inches in dia. to cover a saito 72, wing apprx 740inchs square?
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Re: Round cowl vs. inline cowl
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2007, 08:17:42 PM »
A airplane does not fly because of the air blown backwards by the prop. Rather acting as a moving airfoil it pulls it'self through the air. While not exactly accurate, think more along the lines of a screw action.
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Re: Round cowl vs. inline cowl
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2007, 05:35:14 AM »
Real airplanes with ring cowls allowed most of the air to enter the front and exit through a big cooling exit behind the engine, thus, they didn't add as much drag as it looks.

These airplanes also had pilot-controlled cowl flaps.  If you needed to make the engine run hotter, you could close the cowl flaps. and you would take a noticable hit on airspeed.

If you built the model with the cowl exits wide open, it probably won't add too much drag.

Although a prop works by "sucking" the plane foreward, you still have he deal with the drag behind the prop.
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Re: Round cowl vs. inline cowl
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2007, 08:32:54 PM »
I figure I am going to need around 7.5" to 8" dia. cowl to cover the saito 72. The landing gear will be just long enough to allow a 14" prop and a little clearance for the grass. I didn't want to lose too much of the available grunt of the saito.
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Re: Round cowl vs. inline cowl
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2007, 09:41:48 PM »

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Re: Round cowl vs. inline cowl
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2007, 08:58:14 AM »
Maybe you are asking the wrong question.  I have built a number of semi-scale radial engined airplanes.  Only one of them actually has a round cowl.  I don't thnk it is practical to build a semi-scale stunt ship with a cowl larger than 6".  The rockerbox covers will stick out but so what.  you'd be amazed at how little they are noticed.  The Critical Mass has a round 6" cowl.  the big Beracats have a cowl that is 6" deep but only the hole in the fromt is round.  the shape of the cowl is ellipitical with about an inch of total depth (side view) hidden in the artfully carved cowl ring which is deeper at the top and bottom than at the sides.  This size cowl works fine with saito 72s and 14" props.

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Re: Round cowl vs. inline cowl
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2007, 05:29:14 PM »
There are a couple of considerations about a large round front end on a stunt ship rather than the "in-line"  appearance of most stunt designs.  As was mentioned above, Al Rabe has already shown us that his semi-scale designs of his Bearcats (several sizes and versions), and his Sea Fury and his later version of the Sea Fury in the Critical Mass can be flown competitively with large diameter front ends.

One may ask, how can this be?

One thing is the frontal area of a stunt ship is not increased significantly by putting on a large diameter nose.  Look at the frontal area of our stunt ships.  Most of it is in the wing.   The additional frontal area of a large diameter nose over a conventional "in-line" type design is almost negligible.  (Some of that increased nose area is really in front of the wing so that part is not an increase in total design frontal area.)  Now, there might be some additional drag for a slight increase in surface area of the fuselage, but this is almost negligible as well.  And when you start to understand that probably most of the drag of our CLPA model comes from the lines themselves, any slight increase in drag due to increased frontal area and fuselage surface area is almost insignificant.  Even more insignificant when it is realized that our CLPA models are a fry cry from being optimized for minimum drag anyway.

Now, as far as the propeller and its efficiency is concerned, unless the propeller diameter is taken to some ridiculously small diameter compared to the nose diameter, there is little lost in how well the propeller will work.  I do not have the exact figures readily available, but a significant portion of the thrust generated by the propeller comes from  the 30 to 70% portion of the propeller disc radius.  This is not to say that tip and hub shapes of the propellers are not important.  Those sections have some influence on how well the 30 to 70% section of the propeller really works.

So, a large diameter front end does not really hinder the performance of a stunt model because of "increased drag" or a decrease in propeller efficiency.

It would be a good idea to exhaust as much air as possible from the engine compartment if for no other reason than to facilitate cooling.  Also, reducing pressure in the engine compartment certainly will not be a negative action.

Keith



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